| This Election ..... 09:56 - Jun 13 with 5677 views | Pencilpete |
I've touched on this on previous posts but i just can't seem to get onboard with anyone.
Sunak is a muppet who literally seems to put his foot in it even more every time he opens his gob, Starmer just doesn't inspire confidence he doesn't seem to have an ideas or policies where you go "Bl00dy hell thats good" and on big things he hasn't really said what his ideas even are .... i get the impression he thinks if he doesn't say anything he'll win cos the Tories are so bad ??
The Liberals and the Greens .... some of their ideas are good but others are awful and i couldn't support them in a million years.
That leaves Nigel Farage who has one good idea but little or no substance on anything else at all ........
I always say to people if you don't vote then don't moan .... but i'm really struggling here
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| This Election ..... on 10:56 - Jun 13 with 2018 views | lowhouseblue |
| This Election ..... on 10:46 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Honestly, all you have to do is announce with France (who are supposed to be helping us and have taken a lot of money off us to prevent them) ... that anyone who arrives on a small boat will be immediately put back on another boat and taken straight back to France ... you'd only have to do it for a month and they'd stop bothering. |
immigration is a huge political issue in france. they're dealing with bigger numbers of illegal migrants than us. in the areas along the channel it is a huge issue. it would be politically suicidal for france to agree to the return of channel crossers - unless it was part of some much wider european agreement about how to deal with the issue more generally. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| This Election ..... on 10:59 - Jun 13 with 1995 views | Steve_M |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
Can you explain how it is currently possible to claim asylum in the UK whilst arriving legally?
It isn't possible, so the small boat crossings continue. The solution is to stop jumping to Farage's tune, allow asylum applications and then to process those promptly, admitting those that are deemed valid and rejecting those that are not. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 11:07 - Jun 13 with 1947 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 10:59 - Jun 13 by Steve_M |
Can you explain how it is currently possible to claim asylum in the UK whilst arriving legally?
It isn't possible, so the small boat crossings continue. The solution is to stop jumping to Farage's tune, allow asylum applications and then to process those promptly, admitting those that are deemed valid and rejecting those that are not. |
Can you explain why you need to claim Asylum if you're coming from France ? | | | |
| This Election ..... on 11:09 - Jun 13 with 1928 views | DJR |
| This Election ..... on 10:13 - Jun 13 by giant_stow |
Something to do with not paying Banks interest on loans to the BofE, but I don't understand it fully - just half read it. (I'm assuming its this, in any case) Easily lifted if it really is a good one - could supposedly save £20B
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"It claims £30bn to £40bn of this total would come from putting a halt to the Bank of England paying out interest to commercial banks on its quantitative easing reserves. Party Chairman Richard Tice described the status quo as "gross negligence" and said it meant voters' cash was being used to "enrich the City of London". Governor Andrew Bailey has previously said scrapping the measure would limit the central bank's ability to change the economy through interest rates."
https://moneyweek.com/economy/uk-economy/reform-uk-policies-nigel-farage-manifes [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 10:16]
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This proposal builds on something Chris Giles proposed in the FT, but the IFS said that it wouldn't raise as much as claimed. |  | | |
| This Election ..... on 11:15 - Jun 13 with 1904 views | EdwardStone |
| This Election ..... on 10:52 - Jun 13 by itfcjoe |
It really isn't that simple |
Simplistic solutions to complex problems?
Obsessed with refugees on small boats?
Chinny reckon maybe just maybe a Fan of Nigel ?? |  | | |
| This Election ..... on 11:17 - Jun 13 with 1886 views | geg1992 |
IMO we don't need someone to have policies that make you think "Bl00dy hell thats good". These are the kind of policies that never happen. False promises like everything under the Tory leadership.
I'd rather have honest politics, doing things right for the people. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 11:31 - Jun 13 with 1843 views | Steve_M |
| This Election ..... on 11:07 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Can you explain why you need to claim Asylum if you're coming from France ? |
What if people are coming from Afghanistan or Sudan? There is no way to claim asylum arriving by air so of course people come from France. | |
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| This Election ..... on 11:35 - Jun 13 with 1830 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 11:31 - Jun 13 by Steve_M |
What if people are coming from Afghanistan or Sudan? There is no way to claim asylum arriving by air so of course people come from France. |
Asylum: an inviolable place of refuge and protection giving shelter.
they have already achieved this by getting to France | | | |
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| This Election ..... on 12:14 - Jun 13 with 1780 views | brazil1982 |
| This Election ..... on 10:59 - Jun 13 by Steve_M |
Can you explain how it is currently possible to claim asylum in the UK whilst arriving legally?
It isn't possible, so the small boat crossings continue. The solution is to stop jumping to Farage's tune, allow asylum applications and then to process those promptly, admitting those that are deemed valid and rejecting those that are not. |
It is possible - student visa holders can apply when their visa expires. |  | | |
| This Election ..... on 12:24 - Jun 13 with 1773 views | lowhouseblue |
| This Election ..... on 11:35 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Asylum: an inviolable place of refuge and protection giving shelter.
they have already achieved this by getting to France |
jeez, you've said something heretical and have now triggered the herbivore automatic down vote. bad luck. | |
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| This Election ..... on 12:45 - Jun 13 with 1719 views | weepingx2018 |
| This Election ..... on 10:04 - Jun 13 by J2BLUE |
What's Farage's good idea? |
Yes, that is my question also. | | | |
| This Election ..... on 12:57 - Jun 13 with 1677 views | Ftnfwest |
Yes Sunak and tories just completely incompetent, Labour and Starmer very unconvincing and probably not much different and whilst i won't vote for them the only positive thought for me is that the tories and others will be so decimated that we won't have to go through pointless debates over anything for the next 5 years, and whatever labour do want to do, they'll be totally unopposed (apart from by momentum.) |  | | |
| This Election ..... on 13:29 - Jun 13 with 1641 views | homer_123 |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
Yet, in the scheme of things (regardless of whether it's a good idea or not), it does nothing at all to deal with the real problems we face as a country. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 13:51]
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| This Election ..... on 13:55 - Jun 13 with 1608 views | Broadbent23 |
We need a coalition to sort out all the problems because this lot is a bunch of numties who have no charisma and no solid ideas for the future. Every party debate is an arguement fest with no winners. The EU and COVID made us lose all the advantages we had created. So whoever we vote for on 4 July will be wrong for the country. So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't make the right decision. | | | |
| This Election ..... on 14:19 - Jun 13 with 1565 views | mr_bean |
Well, the proposed new state-owned Great British Energy company makes me think "Bl00dy hell that's good". | | | |
| This Election ..... on 14:32 - Jun 13 with 1539 views | Leaky |
| This Election ..... on 10:46 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Honestly, all you have to do is announce with France (who are supposed to be helping us and have taken a lot of money off us to prevent them) ... that anyone who arrives on a small boat will be immediately put back on another boat and taken straight back to France ... you'd only have to do it for a month and they'd stop bothering. |
I still cannot see why police in Europe have not got to grips with these smuggling gangs. These boats & engines are made by someone there must be a paper trail. Or is it they just can't arsed. |  | | |
| This Election ..... on 14:45 - Jun 13 with 1513 views | WeWereZombies |
| This Election ..... on 14:32 - Jun 13 by Leaky |
I still cannot see why police in Europe have not got to grips with these smuggling gangs. These boats & engines are made by someone there must be a paper trail. Or is it they just can't arsed. |
I imagine that either the boats (which can be pretty insignificant affairs) are bought cash in hand, no questions asked or purchased by a stooge who doesn't go under surveillance as they are not part of the operation (or if they do come under suspicion they have ready excuses and alibis for their name being on the paperwork.) I might just have watched too many episodes of 'Spiral' though. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 15:05 - Jun 13 with 1484 views | GeoffSentence |
| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 by iamipswich |
Think you're spot on. The strategy of silence will work a treat as the Tories are remarkably good at shooting themselves in the foot even when it seems harder to cock it up than not.
I actually don't think Sunak is a bad guy but he's a PR disaster and the inability to avoid controversy (some his fault some those around him) does not instil the confidence needed to be PM.
As someone who lives just outside Saxmundham, can say that Dr Coffey is as deluded in person as she comes across in the media (although I do think she has genuine passion for the area). |
I saw a Guardian piece today referring to Sunak as The Gaffer, not because he is a senior figure of authority but because everyday he makes a gaffe. I can get behind that as his nickname. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 15:05 - Jun 13 with 1483 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This Election ..... on 11:35 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Asylum: an inviolable place of refuge and protection giving shelter.
they have already achieved this by getting to France |
It's really not that simple. Again. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 15:23 - Jun 13 with 1463 views | Pendejo |
| This Election ..... on 10:42 - Jun 13 by Pinewoodblue |
Paying for the sins of those who preceded him.
Sunak isn’t finding it easy to fight a lost cause, which shows a degree of decency.
Unlike……..Starmer’s unwavering support for Corbyn.
Looking forward to seeing/ hearing what will done differently to grow the economy. Not necessary to win, but really want to have an idea what I am voting for, rather than having to vote agsinst something. |
Sunak added his own sins to those who proceeded him.
When elected leader of Conservatives and this PM
"He promised 'integrity, professionalism and accountability' following government's marred by the party-gate scandal and police investigations."
He has repeatedly failed to follow up on this promise, had he done so he'd have a better public image.
Infosys, Moderna and Koru Kids alone damn him, that's before anyone else misbehaves.
Missing WhatsApp messages etc.
Continued parroting of lies even when comprehensively disproven.
The CONServatives have had 14 years in power, during which they could have delivered so much for the majority, but instead they've delivered only for the minority. Where they crow about their achievements, these have usually come by way of fiddling figures or being cute about the time frame they picked. Massive own goal on TV recently when presented Y (now) being higher than X (then), but Y trumpeted as a success as it has been higher. Can't remember what that was...
As for "Labour" or "Conservative Lite" as I view them... As another poster has mentioned, he doesn't want to do a Kinnock, and I truly hope that if he gets into power he commences a string of "revolutionary" policies to reverse the greed is good bs that has been turbo charged since Brexit.
I want;-
Functioning NHS, Education, Justice systems - none of these make money, which is why CONS hate them
Nationalised utilities OR a regulator working on behalf on "the people"
Honesty and integrity exemplified
Jobs not mega profits
Social housing
Rent controls
Strong action on the 100,000+ properties around London bought solely as an investment that no-one lived in
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| This Election ..... on 15:50 - Jun 13 with 1434 views | naa |
| This Election ..... on 10:30 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The French should be made to take them back - it's as simple as that. It's where they've come from so its where they should be returned to, i don't see why this isn't a thing and why the French have any right to refuse to.
and that's why working with the French isn't a very good policy either because they have no real interest in stopping them, if they get 20 yards out to sea suddenly it's our problem (no idea how that works) but either way the navy should round them up and take them back to France ... how this isn't a thing is beyond me.
if Starmer turned to France and said we will work with you to stop them but we ARE returning them to you, then it would give the French an incentive to do something about it too |
When we were in the EU we could send them back. Why do you think the number of crossings sky rocketed when we left? | | | |
| This Election ..... on 15:54 - Jun 13 with 1411 views | DJR |
| This Election ..... on 14:19 - Jun 13 by mr_bean |
Well, the proposed new state-owned Great British Energy company makes me think "Bl00dy hell that's good". |
Have a look at the discussion on GB Energy on the Labour's Manifesto thread, and maybe you will reconsider your view. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 15:54]
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| This Election ..... on 15:55 - Jun 13 with 1395 views | GeoffSentence |
| This Election ..... on 11:35 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Asylum: an inviolable place of refuge and protection giving shelter.
they have already achieved this by getting to France |
Though not wishing to align myself with those who are happy for the UK to be compassionless in the face of people fleeing their troubles at home, returning immigrants to the safe third party that they came from is not without precedent. I am not sure how far thishas got yet, but Ireland is trying to return immigrants to the uk in the same manner.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/01/ireland-plans-to-re | |
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| This Election ..... on 16:27 - Jun 13 with 1329 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This Election ..... on 15:55 - Jun 13 by GeoffSentence |
Though not wishing to align myself with those who are happy for the UK to be compassionless in the face of people fleeing their troubles at home, returning immigrants to the safe third party that they came from is not without precedent. I am not sure how far thishas got yet, but Ireland is trying to return immigrants to the uk in the same manner.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/01/ireland-plans-to-re |
And we used to be able to return people to safe EU countries they had passed through under the Belfast Agreement. But that ended with Brexit and hasn't been replaced. It's been a sh*tshow of mis-government.
edit - as mentioned above by naa too [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 16:28]
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| This Election ..... on 16:53 - Jun 13 with 1306 views | noggin |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
When you say "illegal" , what do you mean? |  |
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