| English officials and VAR don’t mix 21:30 - Jun 21 with 4921 views | SitfcB |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:05 - Jun 21 with 1182 views | Swansea_Blue |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 21:50 - Jun 21 by Mercian |
It is not clear cut for sure. When it goes to VAR It still comes down to a human decision. People on this and other forums do not agree with about 60/40 saying it was a goal. Surely the benefit of any doubt should go to the attacking team. That is why I say it's a goal. |
If it’s not clear cut, then it’s probably right for the VAR not to overturn the decision. It looked like the Lino who spotted it. I’m with Herbs on this one; I don’t think it would bother me whether it was given or not on the field. He looked in the keeper’s way to me, but you get a lot more crowding than that at corners with nothing given. It’s the massive delay that’s the problem. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:07 - Jun 21 with 1177 views | SitfcB |
Well having seen more replays and the studio analysis of it I think it should’ve been awarded even more so now! | |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:07 - Jun 21 with 1172 views | Herbivore |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:04 - Jun 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Unless you decide that the player is clearly not obstructing the keeper at all, in which case it is a clear and obvious error. I would say that is the call that should have been made. I would also agree that with the English officials it was the slowest VAR call of the tournament. There is an issue there regardless of whether they actually got it right. |
But there's disagreement over whether he was obstructing him or not, the officials felt he was and a number of people on this thread have said he was. I'm on the fence, I think he's technically in the keeper's way but I doubt it made a difference. For me it's not a clear and obvious error. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:09 - Jun 21 with 1168 views | SitfcB |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 21:53 - Jun 21 by MK1 |
Like Herbie says, VAR didn't make the call, the on field officials made the call. VAR couldn't overturn it as it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. [Post edited 21 Jun 2024 21:54]
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It was a clear and obvious error because the lino on the sideline would’ve thought the gap between the two was smaller than it was. [Post edited 21 Jun 2024 22:13]
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:10 - Jun 21 with 1152 views | Bassett_Blue |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:05 - Jun 21 by Swansea_Blue |
If it’s not clear cut, then it’s probably right for the VAR not to overturn the decision. It looked like the Lino who spotted it. I’m with Herbs on this one; I don’t think it would bother me whether it was given or not on the field. He looked in the keeper’s way to me, but you get a lot more crowding than that at corners with nothing given. It’s the massive delay that’s the problem. |
Think this is my view on it too. Feels a little like umpires call in cricket, if it had been given on the field, VAR wouldn't have disallowed it, and vice versa. |  | | |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:11 - Jun 21 with 1136 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Is there sufficient evidence for VAR to overturn the on-field decision?
I don't have access to all the videos VAR will have but their eventual answer was, "no".
With what I did see that seems the correct decision.
The issue is how bloody long it took to reach that decision. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:14 - Jun 21 with 1120 views | SitfcB |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:11 - Jun 21 by You_Bloo_Right |
Is there sufficient evidence for VAR to overturn the on-field decision?
I don't have access to all the videos VAR will have but their eventual answer was, "no".
With what I did see that seems the correct decision.
The issue is how bloody long it took to reach that decision. |
Watching the analysis post match Shearer made a good point, he wouldn’t have been able to dive to get the ball even if the attacking player wasn’t there because of the position of his legs!
It was a clear an obvious error because of the view the lino had, from his view he probably thought the attacking player was right next to him? [Post edited 21 Jun 2024 22:15]
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:21 - Jun 21 with 1086 views | BarcaBlue |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:14 - Jun 21 by SitfcB |
Watching the analysis post match Shearer made a good point, he wouldn’t have been able to dive to get the ball even if the attacking player wasn’t there because of the position of his legs!
It was a clear an obvious error because of the view the lino had, from his view he probably thought the attacking player was right next to him? [Post edited 21 Jun 2024 22:15]
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I don't see how the lino could see from his angle if the attacker was interfering so is there any reason why the ref couldn't view it back? |  | | |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:24 - Jun 21 with 1066 views | NthQldITFC |
Not line of sight obviously, but he's definitely obstructing where the keeper wants to dive even if it's only a subconscious influence making the keeper not diving straight into the Dutch bloke right beside him. Letter of the law, I don't know, but any form of common sense at all says that is interfering with play. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:26 - Jun 21 with 1060 views | SitfcB |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:21 - Jun 21 by BarcaBlue |
I don't see how the lino could see from his angle if the attacker was interfering so is there any reason why the ref couldn't view it back? |
Didn’t view it back because he was not recommended to watch it back, but he should’ve asked to have seen it back.
This is Stuart Attwell we’re talking about though, one of the most hopeless referees we’ve ever seen in this country. | |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:29 - Jun 21 with 1049 views | VanSaParody |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 21:53 - Jun 21 by MK1 |
Like Herbie says, VAR didn't make the call, the on field officials made the call. VAR couldn't overturn it as it wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. [Post edited 21 Jun 2024 21:54]
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Which is absolutely why VAR should be scrapped, because it was absolutely clear and obvious that the on field officials got the decision wrong, so VAR absolutely SHOULD have made the on field officials correct their error |  | | |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 04:40 - Jun 22 with 944 views | pointofblue |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:29 - Jun 21 by VanSaParody |
Which is absolutely why VAR should be scrapped, because it was absolutely clear and obvious that the on field officials got the decision wrong, so VAR absolutely SHOULD have made the on field officials correct their error |
No it wasn’t. If it was clearly and obviously wrong, everyone on here would be saying as such. The fact people are split proves it’s subjective, and therefore sticking to the on field decision was the right thing to do. Personally, if England or Town had scored one like that, and it was given, I’d think we were fortunate but, if we’d conceded one like that (and it had been given), I’d be fuming. He was close to the keeper so was affecting play.
As said, the biggest issue was the amount of time it took to decide. | |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 05:59 - Jun 22 with 925 views | Vic |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 21:39 - Jun 21 by Mercian |
He can stand where he wants. He is only offside if he was interfering with play. He wasn't. |
Had he dived he’d have clattered into the player - so in my view he was interfering with play.
Personally I’d prefer to go back to the old days when ‘interfering with play’ wasn’t a thing - it was so much easier. Nowerdays the defenders have to make a split second decision as they look across the line as to what the officials might think, trying to second guess thier call. It usd to be so much easier and yesterdays situation would be a no brainier! |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 07:03 - Jun 22 with 904 views | MK1 |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 22:29 - Jun 21 by VanSaParody |
Which is absolutely why VAR should be scrapped, because it was absolutely clear and obvious that the on field officials got the decision wrong, so VAR absolutely SHOULD have made the on field officials correct their error |
I like to judge these decisions like this.
Would I be happy if that was allowed against us?
No I wouldn't. Therefore I conclude that for me, it was the right decision. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 07:10 - Jun 22 with 898 views | tractorboy1978 |
Only person who really knows if he was affecting play is the goalkeeper. But as Brian Clough once said “if a player is not interfering with play then he shouldn't be on the pitch”.
Quite similar to the one disallowed against us at Blackburn when Attwell was referee, so at least he’s consistent. | | | |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 07:42 - Jun 22 with 875 views | Mercian |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 04:40 - Jun 22 by pointofblue |
No it wasn’t. If it was clearly and obviously wrong, everyone on here would be saying as such. The fact people are split proves it’s subjective, and therefore sticking to the on field decision was the right thing to do. Personally, if England or Town had scored one like that, and it was given, I’d think we were fortunate but, if we’d conceded one like that (and it had been given), I’d be fuming. He was close to the keeper so was affecting play.
As said, the biggest issue was the amount of time it took to decide. |
I am sure all here will remember Japan's goal against Spain in the 2022 World Cup. VAR could not determine if the ball 100% crossed the line or not so the refs decision stood. Therefore although I did think yesterdays goal was not offside it is as has been said subjective. By the laws of the game it was the correct decision. I also think it was right that it took some time to make the decision. It shows they were being thorough. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 7:46]
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 08:14 - Jun 22 with 837 views | Radlett_blue |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 21:50 - Jun 21 by Mercian |
It is not clear cut for sure. When it goes to VAR It still comes down to a human decision. People on this and other forums do not agree with about 60/40 saying it was a goal. Surely the benefit of any doubt should go to the attacking team. That is why I say it's a goal. |
Exactly. Just the same with marginal offsides, such as Coventry's late "winner" against Man U, despite the fact that none of the defenders appealed for offside. VAR has led to umpteen perfectly reasonable goals being disallowed for highly spurious reasons, that's the biggest problem with it. |  |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 08:20 - Jun 22 with 831 views | Herbivore |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 08:14 - Jun 22 by Radlett_blue |
Exactly. Just the same with marginal offsides, such as Coventry's late "winner" against Man U, despite the fact that none of the defenders appealed for offside. VAR has led to umpteen perfectly reasonable goals being disallowed for highly spurious reasons, that's the biggest problem with it. |
VAR didn't disallow last night's goal. The ref did. | |
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| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 08:24 - Jun 22 with 825 views | Churchman |
| English officials and VAR don’t mix on 07:42 - Jun 22 by Mercian |
I am sure all here will remember Japan's goal against Spain in the 2022 World Cup. VAR could not determine if the ball 100% crossed the line or not so the refs decision stood. Therefore although I did think yesterdays goal was not offside it is as has been said subjective. By the laws of the game it was the correct decision. I also think it was right that it took some time to make the decision. It shows they were being thorough. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 7:46]
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It’s interesting that views differ on whether the goal should have stood. I’ve no problem with that. I think it should have, but it’s very subjective and I am just as likely to be wrong.
Where I have a real problem is the time it took. ‘It shows they were being thorough’. Does it? Or does it show they couldn’t make their mind up? Football is not a stop start game like cricket, NFL or Baseball. It is near enough a non stop game with its own pace/tempo. Football is about the ‘moment’.
A couple of idiots fumbling over monitors looking at every angle and still coming up with a contentious decision adds nothing to the game. People are left discussing faceless people, videos and a little ref man sucking his thumb trying to look in control in the middle of the pitch.
Look at the Man U Coventry FA Cup Semi Final. What were we left with after they spent minutes squinting at the monitor? That was the memory. Not a great comeback by Cov. Oh, and they it showed ‘they were being thorough’ by making sure the right team, MU, got to the Final.
The game is more important than the officials, or at least it should be. So there’s the odd mistake. Players make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes. It’s part of the game just as it’s part of life. While the Euros version is quicker with better officials than last night’s mob, I’d still get rid of VAR and keep goal line technology where there is nothing subjective about it. [Post edited 22 Jun 2024 8:25]
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