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Stating the obvious, I know, but there's been a few people on here who have scoffed at the idea that Farage is far right so it's worth restating. The takeaways from his interview last night are here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
The line about protecting our culture, values, and identity from migrants - very much suggesting they are a threat to our way out of life - is straight out of the 1920s and 30s fascist playbook. It's also boll0cks. What Farage considers to be our culture, values, and identity looks very different from what most Brits would consider to be our values, culture, and identity.
He explained why he said he admired Putin, and it's basically because Putin has successfully seized power and become a de facto dictator. That's right, he thinks being a dictator makes someone an admirable politician. He admires the political savvy of someone whose political opponents end up dead or in jail.
Related to the above, he's parroted Putin's defence for invading Ukraine. He will happily side with authoritarian leaders he sympathises with overseas over his own country and its allies. Anyone who thinks this guy wouldn't have had a swastika up in his living room in the 1930s is kidding themselves.
Then there's the climate denialism, the disavowal of any responsibility for his party attracting candidates who are openly racist, supporting candidates who have said openly racist things (including some rank antisemitism in the last day or so).
He's a vile scumbag with very dangerous views that he barely masks beneath a veneer of being an 'old school' Englishman who just loves a pint and a joke about darkies and poofs, and where's the harm in that? The harm is all around us from the last time this grifter was given a platform over and over again despite being a liar and unfit for public life. Now we're giving him oxygen to play to people's base fears and prejudices all over again.
Farage is a far right loon on 12:58 - Jun 22 by Nomore4
I work across the whole south east of the country from Kent to Norfolk. You walk round with your eyes and ears closed. I have 3 grown up children desperate for housing. So yes I very much do know
Housing shortages are primarily a combination of not enough new houses being built, particularly social and affordable housing, and too many homes owned by those with multiple homes sat empty. People seeking asylum have no recourse to public funds so aren't eligible for social housing. People who are here on work visas or have been granted asylum have no special claim to social housing ahead of local applicants. Why are you blaming immigrants for domestic problems caused by poor government?
Farage is a far right loon on 13:35 - Jun 22 by Mullet
None of what you’re saying is down to immigrants though.
Crime in Ipswich seems to be driven by county lines and the drug trade. The people involved in that are poor. Who is disproportionately affected by poverty?
The lack of housing and infrastructure is down to decades of Tory greed and corruption. Look at the rest of Suffolk, its rich Londoners taking up scant resources and housing, driving up prices. The same is happening where I live from Hong Kongers who have settled here. These are all off the back of Tory decisions largely.
Constantly cutting services from healthcare to the police is what drives most of the issues you are complaining about. Looking around and blaming a few browner people is a pretty pissweak position. All your posts read like is blaming other everyone and everything else, whilst demanding better for yourself and people like you.
I guess that’s where the symmetry with Nazi Nige lies in this thread.
we've had net migration of approx 2 million in the past 3 years. in terms of facilities including housing no economy / society could adapt to that without real stresses emerging. the number of additional households that 2 million implies unavoidably has stretched housing supply. under no system could we have built new homes at that rate.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 13:46 - Jun 22 with 2390 views
Farage is a far right loon on 12:58 - Jun 22 by Nomore4
I work across the whole south east of the country from Kent to Norfolk. You walk round with your eyes and ears closed. I have 3 grown up children desperate for housing. So yes I very much do know
I know mate, those immigrants selling off council and other social housing since the 80's. Absolute scum. Know your enemy!
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Farage is a far right loon on 13:25 - Jun 22 by factual_blue
A large part of Chamberlain's thinking at Munich was governed by the fact that he knew the Dominions wouldn't fight for Czechoslovakia.
I don’t believe that was a factor. Nor does the argument that Chamberlain was buying time to rearm. He wasn’t. Proof of that is that rearmament in this country was slowed and guess what, in Germany it went on full bore.
Any land conflict was always going to be fought largely by France initially, sea power provided by Britain. Germany was in no fit state to fight France and Britain in 1938.
Britain and France weren’t exactly in a strong position, but they had enough to deter Hitler. He simply called their bluff. He fed on their weakness and desperation. It was so bad that Czech leader Benes wasn't even allowed in the room as his country was sold out to the Germans.
Everyone knew that in handing over the Sudetenland (to which Germany had no claim whatsoever) the whole country would be swallowed and so it was.
What was done to Czechoslovakia was a disgrace up there with the sellout of Poland in 1945.
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Farage is a far right loon on 13:51 - Jun 22 with 2355 views
Farage is a far right loon on 13:46 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue
we've had net migration of approx 2 million in the past 3 years. in terms of facilities including housing no economy / society could adapt to that without real stresses emerging. the number of additional households that 2 million implies unavoidably has stretched housing supply. under no system could we have built new homes at that rate.
That’s because of governmental decisions by the Tories to not invest in housing stock, infrastructure going back decades. Coupled with Brexit and it’s pretty clear to see just blaming the immigrants is entirely flawed.
The fact we are feeling it so acutely is down to 14 years of greed and corruption.
Farage is a far right loon on 13:56 - Jun 22 by Mullet
That’s because of governmental decisions by the Tories to not invest in housing stock, infrastructure going back decades. Coupled with Brexit and it’s pretty clear to see just blaming the immigrants is entirely flawed.
The fact we are feeling it so acutely is down to 14 years of greed and corruption.
yes is we had masses of spare capacity at the start it would have been less of an issue. but for whatever reason we didn't. starting from where we were, net migration of 2 million over 3 years is unsustainable and it has resulted in real social pressures. it isn't about blame, it's about what level of net migration we can accommodate successfully. all parties are committed to lowering net migration from current levels.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 14:02 - Jun 22 with 2270 views
Farage is a far right loon on 13:38 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
Housing shortages are primarily a combination of not enough new houses being built, particularly social and affordable housing, and too many homes owned by those with multiple homes sat empty. People seeking asylum have no recourse to public funds so aren't eligible for social housing. People who are here on work visas or have been granted asylum have no special claim to social housing ahead of local applicants. Why are you blaming immigrants for domestic problems caused by poor government?
And immigrants once settled are net contributors to the economy. So the opposite of being a burden on the country’s infrastructure.
Farage is a far right loon on 13:56 - Jun 22 by Mullet
That’s because of governmental decisions by the Tories to not invest in housing stock, infrastructure going back decades. Coupled with Brexit and it’s pretty clear to see just blaming the immigrants is entirely flawed.
The fact we are feeling it so acutely is down to 14 years of greed and corruption.
You forgot Truss blowing up the economy, mishandling of Covid. Also killing the country socially and economically with Austerity which just about every economist and sane person knew at the time was nonsense based on bogus ideology.
But your key point of 14 years of greed and corruption covers it all rather neatly. Perhaps the tories should have it as a slogan ‘Five more years of greed and corruption!’. Sounds a vote winner to me. Well, to the Bullingdon Club boys anyway.
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Farage is a far right loon on 14:04 - Jun 22 with 2240 views
Farage is a far right loon on 14:02 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue
And immigrants once settled are net contributors to the economy. So the opposite of being a burden on the country’s infrastructure.
that was certainly true pre-brexit - but it can't simply be assumed not to have changed post-brexit. in 2022 only 15% of migrants came primarily to work. the same number again came as their dependents. a third came for education and a third came for humanitarian reasons. pre-brexit the proportion coming for work was much higher. that doesn't mean there isn't still a net contribution, simply that post-brexit we don't yet have the evidence to prove it.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 14:06 - Jun 22 with 2215 views
Farage is a far right loon on 13:46 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue
we've had net migration of approx 2 million in the past 3 years. in terms of facilities including housing no economy / society could adapt to that without real stresses emerging. the number of additional households that 2 million implies unavoidably has stretched housing supply. under no system could we have built new homes at that rate.
How many of those are students though? A significant proportion I believe, and they don't tend to access traditional housing stock.
Farage is a far right loon on 13:59 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue
You could be anywhere in the world with a dog like that. Coming over here taking the bones of British Bulldogs.
To be honest he as little respect for other cultures and he's way to lazy to ever get a job. Can only imagine he's gonna be a huge burden on the tax payer
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Farage is a far right loon on 14:53 - Jun 22 with 2021 views
Farage is a far right loon on 14:38 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
How many of those are students though? A significant proportion I believe, and they don't tend to access traditional housing stock.
roughly 1/6th of migrants are students and 1/6th are dependents of students.
(what i don't understand is whether students drop out of the net migration figure - since the total overseas student population must surely be roughly constant with the same number graduating and starting afresh?)
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 15:03 - Jun 22 with 1976 views
Farage is a far right loon on 14:05 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue
that was certainly true pre-brexit - but it can't simply be assumed not to have changed post-brexit. in 2022 only 15% of migrants came primarily to work. the same number again came as their dependents. a third came for education and a third came for humanitarian reasons. pre-brexit the proportion coming for work was much higher. that doesn't mean there isn't still a net contribution, simply that post-brexit we don't yet have the evidence to prove it.
The education ones are contributors, their fees keeping our universities afloat. The humanitarian ones will most likely want to work once their asylum claims are eventually processed.
Farage is a far right loon on 14:53 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue
roughly 1/6th of migrants are students and 1/6th are dependents of students.
(what i don't understand is whether students drop out of the net migration figure - since the total overseas student population must surely be roughly constant with the same number graduating and starting afresh?)
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International student numbers dropped to almost zero for m 2020-22 due to COVID, the last couple of years we've had students coming back in but fewer leaving as many are still studying. In another couple of years, net immigration from students will be close to zero I'd expect but that's not been the case for the last couple of years.
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