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Stating the obvious, I know, but there's been a few people on here who have scoffed at the idea that Farage is far right so it's worth restating. The takeaways from his interview last night are here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
The line about protecting our culture, values, and identity from migrants - very much suggesting they are a threat to our way out of life - is straight out of the 1920s and 30s fascist playbook. It's also boll0cks. What Farage considers to be our culture, values, and identity looks very different from what most Brits would consider to be our values, culture, and identity.
He explained why he said he admired Putin, and it's basically because Putin has successfully seized power and become a de facto dictator. That's right, he thinks being a dictator makes someone an admirable politician. He admires the political savvy of someone whose political opponents end up dead or in jail.
Related to the above, he's parroted Putin's defence for invading Ukraine. He will happily side with authoritarian leaders he sympathises with overseas over his own country and its allies. Anyone who thinks this guy wouldn't have had a swastika up in his living room in the 1930s is kidding themselves.
Then there's the climate denialism, the disavowal of any responsibility for his party attracting candidates who are openly racist, supporting candidates who have said openly racist things (including some rank antisemitism in the last day or so).
He's a vile scumbag with very dangerous views that he barely masks beneath a veneer of being an 'old school' Englishman who just loves a pint and a joke about darkies and poofs, and where's the harm in that? The harm is all around us from the last time this grifter was given a platform over and over again despite being a liar and unfit for public life. Now we're giving him oxygen to play to people's base fears and prejudices all over again.
Farage is a far right loon on 15:05 - Jun 22 by Guthrum
The education ones are contributors, their fees keeping our universities afloat. The humanitarian ones will most likely want to work once their asylum claims are eventually processed.
absolutely. students bring income - and if they stay post graduation they're very productive. students don't however necessarily explain the very high recent level of NET migration. the point is that the mix of migrants has changed post-brexit and the most productive groups in terms of age, qualifications and reason for coming are a smaller proportion than pre-brexit. young highly educated eu migrants who came to earn more than they could at home were economic gold dust.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 15:32 - Jun 22 with 3820 views
Farage is a far right loon on 15:06 - Jun 22 by Herbivore
International student numbers dropped to almost zero for m 2020-22 due to COVID, the last couple of years we've had students coming back in but fewer leaving as many are still studying. In another couple of years, net immigration from students will be close to zero I'd expect but that's not been the case for the last couple of years.
international student numbers very definitely did not drop to almost zero for 2020-22. not sure where that one's come from?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 16:26 - Jun 22 with 3705 views
Apologies if already stated, not about to read through all pages but:
"I said I disliked him as a person, but admired him as a political operator because he's managed to take control of running Russia," Mr Farage said.
This is what Farage's ideal of a national leader is. If you want Farage as PM, you need to be happy with an effective dictatorship (even if it is a democracy in name only).
The UK Government’s International Education Strategy sets out actions to meet ambitions to:
increase the value of education exports to £35 billion per year by 2030, and
increase the total number of international students choosing to study in the UK higher education system (in universities, further education colleges and alternative providers) each year to 600,000 by 2030
The latter ambition was met for the first time in 2020/21, with 605,130 international higher education students studying in the UK.
In 2021/22 there were 679,970 overseas students studying at UK universities, 120,140 of whom were from the EU and 559,825 from elsewhere. This was a record total, the ninth consecutive new record, and an increase of 37% or 184,000 in three years. The latest total was 24% of the total student population.
In 2017/18, the number of new overseas entrants to UK universities was just around 254,000, increases in the last four years saw overseas entrants numbers reach a new high of 381,700 in 2020/21.
The top sending countries for overseas students have changed over the last few years.
China currently sends the most students to the UK, just over 97,000 entrants in 2020/21; this number has risen by 87% since 2011/12 despite a fall in 2020/21.
Entrants from India and Nigeria have increased rapidly in recent years. Number from India increased from 17,800 in 2018/19 to 87,000 in 2021/22 and those from Nigeria from 5,500 to 32,900 over the same period.
Since 2016/17 there has been a fall in entrants from EU countries which had traditionally sent large number of students to the UK. Number from Romania are down by 70%, Poland 66%, Greece 66%, Cyprus 58%, Germany 52% and Italy 51%.
In October 2020, a new ‘student route’ for international students applying for visas to study in the UK opened. How long students can stay depends on the length of their course and their previous studies in the UK. Degree-level students can usually stay for up to five years.
In July 2021, a new post-study work visa for international students, the ‘Graduate route’, opened. The graduate visa gives international graduates permission to stay in the UK for two years after successfully completing a course in the UK. For graduates who completed a PhD or other doctoral qualification, the visa lasts for three years.
It has been suggested there is a tension between successive recent governments’ ambitions to increase international student numbers and reduce net migration.
EDIT: Given many will leave, and many who stay will benefit the economy, my view would be to take students out of the immigration statistics. I think I've heard this argued before.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2024 16:33]
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Farage is a far right loon on 16:32 - Jun 22 with 3674 views
The UK Government’s International Education Strategy sets out actions to meet ambitions to:
increase the value of education exports to £35 billion per year by 2030, and
increase the total number of international students choosing to study in the UK higher education system (in universities, further education colleges and alternative providers) each year to 600,000 by 2030
The latter ambition was met for the first time in 2020/21, with 605,130 international higher education students studying in the UK.
In 2021/22 there were 679,970 overseas students studying at UK universities, 120,140 of whom were from the EU and 559,825 from elsewhere. This was a record total, the ninth consecutive new record, and an increase of 37% or 184,000 in three years. The latest total was 24% of the total student population.
In 2017/18, the number of new overseas entrants to UK universities was just around 254,000, increases in the last four years saw overseas entrants numbers reach a new high of 381,700 in 2020/21.
The top sending countries for overseas students have changed over the last few years.
China currently sends the most students to the UK, just over 97,000 entrants in 2020/21; this number has risen by 87% since 2011/12 despite a fall in 2020/21.
Entrants from India and Nigeria have increased rapidly in recent years. Number from India increased from 17,800 in 2018/19 to 87,000 in 2021/22 and those from Nigeria from 5,500 to 32,900 over the same period.
Since 2016/17 there has been a fall in entrants from EU countries which had traditionally sent large number of students to the UK. Number from Romania are down by 70%, Poland 66%, Greece 66%, Cyprus 58%, Germany 52% and Italy 51%.
In October 2020, a new ‘student route’ for international students applying for visas to study in the UK opened. How long students can stay depends on the length of their course and their previous studies in the UK. Degree-level students can usually stay for up to five years.
In July 2021, a new post-study work visa for international students, the ‘Graduate route’, opened. The graduate visa gives international graduates permission to stay in the UK for two years after successfully completing a course in the UK. For graduates who completed a PhD or other doctoral qualification, the visa lasts for three years.
It has been suggested there is a tension between successive recent governments’ ambitions to increase international student numbers and reduce net migration.
EDIT: Given many will leave, and many who stay will benefit the economy, my view would be to take students out of the immigration statistics. I think I've heard this argued before.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2024 16:33]
i agree figures excluding students would be valuable. but the rise in student numbers does not explain the 2 million net migrants in the past 3 years. the increased overseas admission is only accounting for few hundred thousand (net).
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Farage is a far right loon on 16:35 - Jun 22 with 3650 views
I know mate, those immigrants selling off council and other social housing since the 80's. Absolute scum. Know your enemy!
[Post edited 22 Jun 2024 13:50]
Exactly this. The root cause of the housing shortage is right-to-buy. Until the end of the 1970s housebuilding was roughly 50/50 private/council. When RTB started, councils building tailed off (why build if you have to sell it off at a discount) but private sector building didn't increase significantly.
I did some back-of-a-fag-packet calculations a few years ago and had building rates remained the same as pre-Thatcher, we could have had something like an additional four million homes (and would still have the millions lost to RTB available at social rent).
Farage is a far right loon on 16:34 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue
i agree figures excluding students would be valuable. but the rise in student numbers does not explain the 2 million net migrants in the past 3 years. the increased overseas admission is only accounting for few hundred thousand (net).
Sorry, I was only responding to your post. As regards the rest of the increase, I imagine it may be a case of pent-up demand after Covid, including demand from employers, coupled a with large number of arrivals from Ukraine and Hong Kong.
As regards what are wrongly called "illegal migrants" (those who cross the channel or make it to this country in other ways), this is the position.
In 2023, 67,337 applications for asylum were made in the UK, which related to 84,425 individuals (more than one applicant can be included in a single application).
The annual number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low point of 17,916 in 2010. It rose steadily throughout the 2010s, then rapidly from 2021 onwards to reach 81,130 applications in 2022, the highest annual number since 2002.
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Farage is a far right loon on 16:56 - Jun 22 with 3582 views
The UK Government’s International Education Strategy sets out actions to meet ambitions to:
increase the value of education exports to £35 billion per year by 2030, and
increase the total number of international students choosing to study in the UK higher education system (in universities, further education colleges and alternative providers) each year to 600,000 by 2030
The latter ambition was met for the first time in 2020/21, with 605,130 international higher education students studying in the UK.
In 2021/22 there were 679,970 overseas students studying at UK universities, 120,140 of whom were from the EU and 559,825 from elsewhere. This was a record total, the ninth consecutive new record, and an increase of 37% or 184,000 in three years. The latest total was 24% of the total student population.
In 2017/18, the number of new overseas entrants to UK universities was just around 254,000, increases in the last four years saw overseas entrants numbers reach a new high of 381,700 in 2020/21.
The top sending countries for overseas students have changed over the last few years.
China currently sends the most students to the UK, just over 97,000 entrants in 2020/21; this number has risen by 87% since 2011/12 despite a fall in 2020/21.
Entrants from India and Nigeria have increased rapidly in recent years. Number from India increased from 17,800 in 2018/19 to 87,000 in 2021/22 and those from Nigeria from 5,500 to 32,900 over the same period.
Since 2016/17 there has been a fall in entrants from EU countries which had traditionally sent large number of students to the UK. Number from Romania are down by 70%, Poland 66%, Greece 66%, Cyprus 58%, Germany 52% and Italy 51%.
In October 2020, a new ‘student route’ for international students applying for visas to study in the UK opened. How long students can stay depends on the length of their course and their previous studies in the UK. Degree-level students can usually stay for up to five years.
In July 2021, a new post-study work visa for international students, the ‘Graduate route’, opened. The graduate visa gives international graduates permission to stay in the UK for two years after successfully completing a course in the UK. For graduates who completed a PhD or other doctoral qualification, the visa lasts for three years.
It has been suggested there is a tension between successive recent governments’ ambitions to increase international student numbers and reduce net migration.
EDIT: Given many will leave, and many who stay will benefit the economy, my view would be to take students out of the immigration statistics. I think I've heard this argued before.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2024 16:33]
Isn’t it amazing that the government’s immigration and education strategies work directly against each other? I can get my head around how they’ve managed to cock it up so spectacularly. Overseas students are indeed a target consumer - it’s one of the few very successful and booming sectors we have. I don’t know the official stats for income, but the bulk of these are masters students paying upwards of £15k per year. 675,000*£15,000=just over £10BN per year to Higher Education Institutes. The fees aren’t capped either, so overseas fees are the only ones that keep pace with inflation.
The Government’s immigration (xenophobic dog whistling really, let’s call it what it is) strategy has killed numbers of applications in 2024. The dependents thing has done it. January and traditional autumn intake numbers this year have fallen off a cliff. We’re talking 30-55% reduction from universities I deal with. It’s crippling Uni’s, as these students are what keeps them solvent (as home student fees have been capped since the coalition set them, so for over 10 years). A LOT of universities are in BIG trouble financially.It’s a matter of time before a large one goes bust.
PS. Yes, agree that overseas students shouldn’t be counted in the immigration stats. We count holiday makers. A lot of these are visitors and leave the UK during vacation periods. I’d not count them until after the 2 year post-study work visa.
Farage is a far right loon on 16:26 - Jun 22 by Nthsuffolkblue
Apologies if already stated, not about to read through all pages but:
"I said I disliked him as a person, but admired him as a political operator because he's managed to take control of running Russia," Mr Farage said.
This is what Farage's ideal of a national leader is. If you want Farage as PM, you need to be happy with an effective dictatorship (even if it is a democracy in name only).
The effective dictatorship angle in itself needn’t be so bad (bear with me, I’m clutching at straws and trying to see it through Nige’s eyes). But I’m struggling to find a way of explaining /justifying why Putin’s political adversaries keep falling out of windows and/or suffer Novichok “accidents”. Doesn’t invading a neighbouring country (twice) also cross over the line from political to warmongering?
This is what Farage admires. Anyone who gets suckered in by his man of the people act is a fkn moron. Yes, I know, we shouldn’t belittle people with genuine concerns, blah, blah. But in this case it’s justified imo. It’s obvious what he is.
Farage is a far right loon on 19:30 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue
The effective dictatorship angle in itself needn’t be so bad (bear with me, I’m clutching at straws and trying to see it through Nige’s eyes). But I’m struggling to find a way of explaining /justifying why Putin’s political adversaries keep falling out of windows and/or suffer Novichok “accidents”. Doesn’t invading a neighbouring country (twice) also cross over the line from political to warmongering?
This is what Farage admires. Anyone who gets suckered in by his man of the people act is a fkn moron. Yes, I know, we shouldn’t belittle people with genuine concerns, blah, blah. But in this case it’s justified imo. It’s obvious what he is.
The falling out of the windows is just a part of the whole controlling power. Anyone who thinks Putin's methods of controlling a population are to be admired is an alarming person to have anywhere near power.
Farage is a far right loon on 19:16 - Jun 22 by Swansea_Blue
Isn’t it amazing that the government’s immigration and education strategies work directly against each other? I can get my head around how they’ve managed to cock it up so spectacularly. Overseas students are indeed a target consumer - it’s one of the few very successful and booming sectors we have. I don’t know the official stats for income, but the bulk of these are masters students paying upwards of £15k per year. 675,000*£15,000=just over £10BN per year to Higher Education Institutes. The fees aren’t capped either, so overseas fees are the only ones that keep pace with inflation.
The Government’s immigration (xenophobic dog whistling really, let’s call it what it is) strategy has killed numbers of applications in 2024. The dependents thing has done it. January and traditional autumn intake numbers this year have fallen off a cliff. We’re talking 30-55% reduction from universities I deal with. It’s crippling Uni’s, as these students are what keeps them solvent (as home student fees have been capped since the coalition set them, so for over 10 years). A LOT of universities are in BIG trouble financially.It’s a matter of time before a large one goes bust.
PS. Yes, agree that overseas students shouldn’t be counted in the immigration stats. We count holiday makers. A lot of these are visitors and leave the UK during vacation periods. I’d not count them until after the 2 year post-study work visa.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2024 20:10]
I think there was a lie at the heart of Brexit in the sense that many people voted to leave in order to control immigration, but May, Johnson and Sunak actually supported immigration, as has been shown by what has happened in recent years..
As regards what you say about applications for this year, it is very disturbing for the sector itself, but also I assume for economic growth.
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Farage is a far right loon on 21:37 - Jun 22 with 3075 views
I remember about 20 years ago when I first heard of him, coming in on the post-midnight 'nutter' slot on the James Whale Radio Show, along with the likes of Alex Jones (when he was just on about UFOs and 9/11) and David Icke and Abu Hamza.
Basically people that would nobody else would have on and James used to completely take the piss out of them, give them enough rope explaining their loopy theories then completely destroying them. I remember James got Farage in a flap and of the verge of storming out because he called him a serious politician version of The Pub Landlord. Al Murray says exactly what you are saying, but you're saying it unironically.
Christ knows what happened to this country in the intervening time where he is one of the most important people in British politics. He used to be a comedy turn now people take him seriously.
Farage is a far right loon on 09:07 - Jun 22 by GlasgowBlue
I used to be very critical of people who called Farage a Nazi, as I believed it showed disrespect to those who actually suffered under the Nazis and trivialised atrocities such as the Holocaust. I dismissed him as a grubby little racist and no more.
But I’ve come around to the belief that had Farage been alive in the UK during the war and we had been invaded, he’d have been at the forefront of collaboration, quite happily taken an administrative role in a puppet government and signed off on the paperwork to round up and send Jews to the camps.
Yup, I think you’re spot on with that assessment.
Three down….just two more to go..(WhatsApp Group, July 2025)
Farage is a far right loon on 21:37 - Jun 22 by Melford
I remember about 20 years ago when I first heard of him, coming in on the post-midnight 'nutter' slot on the James Whale Radio Show, along with the likes of Alex Jones (when he was just on about UFOs and 9/11) and David Icke and Abu Hamza.
Basically people that would nobody else would have on and James used to completely take the piss out of them, give them enough rope explaining their loopy theories then completely destroying them. I remember James got Farage in a flap and of the verge of storming out because he called him a serious politician version of The Pub Landlord. Al Murray says exactly what you are saying, but you're saying it unironically.
Christ knows what happened to this country in the intervening time where he is one of the most important people in British politics. He used to be a comedy turn now people take him seriously.
And only a few years back Farage was on Alex Jones’ show spouting antisemitic nonsense. That tells you a lot - they both exploit gullible people who are susceptible to conspiracies.
Farage is a far right loon on 23:22 - Jun 22 by Bigalhunter
Yup, I think you’re spot on with that assessment.
Interesting take on the man of the people that i must have missed in the reform manifesto
It was a posh boy that brought in a hostile environment for immigrants 14 years ago that might better fit your reasoning…. Supported at the time by the Lib Dem’s. Mind you it was Labour who saw nothing wrong in putting holocaust survivors behind barbed wire and watch towers in camps in Cyprus after the war.
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