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Look after your mental health everyone and seek help whenever you need it. There is no shame to asking for help and no one ever wants to hear this news about anyone they know.
Poor mental health in that age group (my age group sadly. Thorpey and I are a similar age) remains a significant killer.
Like many here, I've had my ups and downs and had dark thoughts, but to actually take that final act sends shivers down my spine. I'm so grateful my worst days seem behind me these days. You still get the odd reminder here and there, but managable.
Big respect to his family going public with this and keeping the conversation going.
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Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.
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Graham Thorpe took his own life on 09:55 - Aug 12 with 4603 views
That is so sad. I’m from a generation where mental health was something people didn’t discuss. The phrase “man up” would be the norm. But reading posts from some of the people on here, plus my own experience with one of my teenage daughters during lockdown, has given me a far better insight.
I used to think that if somebody had success, financial security, a wonderful and loving family and a great life then what is there to be depressed about, but I’ve learned that it really doesn’t work that way.
I think that there is still a bit of a stigma even today and some people see it as a weakness rather than an a health issue. Which is probably why it doesn’t get the same funding and awareness that other health treatments do. I think it’s very brave of Graham Thorpe’s family to speak about the issue so soon after his death in order to raise awareness.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:02 - Aug 12 by GlasgowBlue
That is so sad. I’m from a generation where mental health was something people didn’t discuss. The phrase “man up” would be the norm. But reading posts from some of the people on here, plus my own experience with one of my teenage daughters during lockdown, has given me a far better insight.
I used to think that if somebody had success, financial security, a wonderful and loving family and a great life then what is there to be depressed about, but I’ve learned that it really doesn’t work that way.
I think that there is still a bit of a stigma even today and some people see it as a weakness rather than an a health issue. Which is probably why it doesn’t get the same funding and awareness that other health treatments do. I think it’s very brave of Graham Thorpe’s family to speak about the issue so soon after his death in order to raise awareness.
That's the thing. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Not really any different to other physical illnesses - which don't carry any social stigma or have care and treatment swept to the sidelines.
Nobody ever suggested cancer should be handled with "Care in the Community" and failing to replace closing specialist treatment units. Why was that the case with mental health, problems with which are perhaps far more widespread and can be just as deadly?
I do often wonder how hard it must be from going from an elite sportsman/women, training daily, the travel, the laughter with teams mates… to retiring and not having that routine built into your life.
I know he’s been retired a while, but reads as though he’s struggled for sometime.
I know when I had 7 weeks off with a bust back, the laying about with no routine threw me all out.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:37 - Aug 12 by Guthrum
That's the thing. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Not really any different to other physical illnesses - which don't carry any social stigma or have care and treatment swept to the sidelines.
Nobody ever suggested cancer should be handled with "Care in the Community" and failing to replace closing specialist treatment units. Why was that the case with mental health, problems with which are perhaps far more widespread and can be just as deadly?
Good quality treatment for mental health is very expensive, especially as it is open ended and can often continue for years. In an ideal world, we would spend more resources on it, but then you have the age old problem of from where you find the money - other parts of the NHS (already stretched), higher taxes etc.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:57 - Aug 12 by Radlett_blue
Good quality treatment for mental health is very expensive, especially as it is open ended and can often continue for years. In an ideal world, we would spend more resources on it, but then you have the age old problem of from where you find the money - other parts of the NHS (already stretched), higher taxes etc.
I guess it depends on whether you take it seriously and how much you value human life. The false economy that cuts spending on the NHS without recognising its wider cost to society and the economy is one of the big failings of the austerity agenda.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:57 - Aug 12 by Radlett_blue
Good quality treatment for mental health is very expensive, especially as it is open ended and can often continue for years. In an ideal world, we would spend more resources on it, but then you have the age old problem of from where you find the money - other parts of the NHS (already stretched), higher taxes etc.
It has been notably neglected these last few decades.
Moreover, earlier intervention/care (as with so many illnesses) can reduce the severity and length of a condition down the line.
As for the money side of things, either we want a country with high quality healthcare or we don't. But there is a cost for the latter, too. Sometimes in lives.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 11:19 - Aug 12 by Guthrum
It has been notably neglected these last few decades.
Moreover, earlier intervention/care (as with so many illnesses) can reduce the severity and length of a condition down the line.
As for the money side of things, either we want a country with high quality healthcare or we don't. But there is a cost for the latter, too. Sometimes in lives.
Always in lives. Be that by people dying, people becoming more dependent on others, people caring for others. It is such a false economy. Effective intervention has a massive impact.
Current mental health care on the NHS is appalling in Suffolk, its near on "not catered for". My wife suffered severely from pre and post natal depression and had absolutely zero support. We requested help, multiple times but it came to nothing. In the end we went private.
I had the same issue years ago when i suffered severe anxiety. NHS support was better but it required me travelling for weekly group sessions in Bury St Edmunds, i lived in Ipswich! I didn't want to attend a group session, if anything it made things worse for me. I also went private.
Support structure needs to start again, from the bottom up. No idea where you find the funds though.
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Graham Thorpe took his own life on 12:06 - Aug 12 with 3680 views
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:37 - Aug 12 by Guthrum
That's the thing. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. Not really any different to other physical illnesses - which don't carry any social stigma or have care and treatment swept to the sidelines.
Nobody ever suggested cancer should be handled with "Care in the Community" and failing to replace closing specialist treatment units. Why was that the case with mental health, problems with which are perhaps far more widespread and can be just as deadly?
Environmental factors too
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Graham Thorpe took his own life on 21:34 - Aug 12 with 3286 views
The job i do is mental health worker. Go to few guys in same age bracket and mine. What I notice more is overtime friends and family eventually walk away from them . Find it too distressing or can't cope seeing them like that. Some come through the other side and have an amazing life. Then others will be like that rest of lives. Suicide alert is part of my job. I need to talk too, to offload too.
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Graham Thorpe took his own life on 07:32 - Aug 13 with 2895 views
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 10:02 - Aug 12 by GlasgowBlue
That is so sad. I’m from a generation where mental health was something people didn’t discuss. The phrase “man up” would be the norm. But reading posts from some of the people on here, plus my own experience with one of my teenage daughters during lockdown, has given me a far better insight.
I used to think that if somebody had success, financial security, a wonderful and loving family and a great life then what is there to be depressed about, but I’ve learned that it really doesn’t work that way.
I think that there is still a bit of a stigma even today and some people see it as a weakness rather than an a health issue. Which is probably why it doesn’t get the same funding and awareness that other health treatments do. I think it’s very brave of Graham Thorpe’s family to speak about the issue so soon after his death in order to raise awareness.
You mention the phrase “Man up”… at Ipswich Wanderers this season we’ve chosen as our charity partner a local one which tries to raise awareness and give support to men that are struggling with their mental health. With a lot of teams at the club, there are a lot of men associated with the club in some way, so we felt it seemed a good one to choose.
If anyone is struggling, or knows someone that is struggling, or to be more aware yourself, it might be helpful to direct them here…
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 06:53 - Aug 13 by Pippin1970
The job i do is mental health worker. Go to few guys in same age bracket and mine. What I notice more is overtime friends and family eventually walk away from them . Find it too distressing or can't cope seeing them like that. Some come through the other side and have an amazing life. Then others will be like that rest of lives. Suicide alert is part of my job. I need to talk too, to offload too.
That must be tough being emotionally involved with many people in that situation. As you say, talking is important.
When family walks away, I guess it is often the only way they feel they can cope for themselves. I am sure that often they do care but find it too distressing to keep dealing with what they have to deal with. If individuals were to get more effective and earlier help I am sure that would make it easier for family and friends too.
I remember how ground breaking it was when Marcus Trescothick pulled out of the England team,it was kind of the first time we would hear that these sportsman/heroes/gladiators who we thought had it all and no worries or concerns ... actually did. He was rightly given a lot of support at the time by all...but I was always aware that it was mainly in hope he'd "sort himself out" and get back to helping the England team...now it's very different.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 16:43 - Aug 13 by Perublue
I remember how ground breaking it was when Marcus Trescothick pulled out of the England team,it was kind of the first time we would hear that these sportsman/heroes/gladiators who we thought had it all and no worries or concerns ... actually did. He was rightly given a lot of support at the time by all...but I was always aware that it was mainly in hope he'd "sort himself out" and get back to helping the England team...now it's very different.
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Not bothered by votes on my posts but am confused by them at times.
Graham Thorpe took his own life on 16:43 - Aug 13 by Perublue
I remember how ground breaking it was when Marcus Trescothick pulled out of the England team,it was kind of the first time we would hear that these sportsman/heroes/gladiators who we thought had it all and no worries or concerns ... actually did. He was rightly given a lot of support at the time by all...but I was always aware that it was mainly in hope he'd "sort himself out" and get back to helping the England team...now it's very different.
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I don't think it's widely known how much good Marcus has done in helping other sports people with their mental problems.
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Graham Thorpe took his own life on 19:36 - Aug 13 with 2308 views
That’s a tough read. And a brave move by his wife to go public with the troubles he’s had. I hope they get their wish and it helps others face their demons and maybe even saves some lives.
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