| We still want O’Shea from Burnley 12:09 - Aug 19 with 12086 views | SitfcB |
According to Nixon.
Ipswich want to sign Burley's tough centre half Dara
O'Shea in a £10 million deal.
The Tractor Boys are focusing on a move for O'Shea
after signing keeper Aro Muric and missing out to
Tottenham on Wilson Odobert.
The Premier League new boys now want an answer on
O'Shea with Brentford also keen on the Republic of
Ireland defender.
O'Shea may wait to see if any other clubs comes in
before committing but that would risk Ipswich going
elsewhere.
Burnley also need a resolution as they could have to
find a replacement. Free agent John Egan is currently
training with him after leaving Sheffield United. [Post edited 19 Aug 2024 12:11]
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:00 - Aug 19 with 2662 views | _clive_baker_ |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 13:28 - Aug 19 by homer_123 |
Sounds about right Hoppy. |
It was Chambers.
And its bobbins. |  | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:07 - Aug 19 with 2576 views | ReusersTown |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 12:38 - Aug 19 by homer_123 |
I can't remember which Town player or ex player said it. It was something along the lines of:
"In League one Luke looked like a league one player, in the Championship, he looked like a Championship player. In the Prem, he will become a prem player."
In effect, Woolfie plays to the level we are at. I think he'll get better and better. |
It was Chambers, but i'm not sure he's got the credentials to know what is required to become a Prem CB. It will be his pace that might cost him, hopefully not! |  | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:08 - Aug 19 with 2570 views | homer_123 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:00 - Aug 19 by _clive_baker_ |
It was Chambers.
And its bobbins. |
Have to say, I don't think it's bobbins at all.
I think you'll find he'll surprise many (in a good way) and improve immensely.
He's still only 25 and has something nearing 200 appearances now - he's not in his prime yet. From what I know of him - he just wants to learn and improve. |  |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:09 - Aug 19 with 2558 views | _clive_baker_ |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:08 - Aug 19 by homer_123 |
Have to say, I don't think it's bobbins at all.
I think you'll find he'll surprise many (in a good way) and improve immensely.
He's still only 25 and has something nearing 200 appearances now - he's not in his prime yet. From what I know of him - he just wants to learn and improve. |
More the fact he didn't stand out in league 1. He was pretty much faultless all season. | | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:11 - Aug 19 with 2534 views | homer_123 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:07 - Aug 19 by ReusersTown |
It was Chambers, but i'm not sure he's got the credentials to know what is required to become a Prem CB. It will be his pace that might cost him, hopefully not! |
His pace wasn't an issue Saturday.
The times he was caught was from a 3rd man run (not his player), said players not being picked up by our midfield or full backs. By the time the player arrived with Wolfie, they were at full pelt - no way was he (or anyone) going to catch them.
Davis, of all our players Saturday, struggled with being caught out for pace. Salah's runs and moreover the timing and movement of those runs caused Davis immense issues.
I'm not saying Wolfie will be a world beater - but I do think he'll improve a huge amount playing the Prem - more than many realise.
Will it ultimately be enough, I don't know. Clearly KM rates him. Of the two I see Edmundson leaving before Wolfie. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:11 - Aug 19 with 2529 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:07 - Aug 19 by ReusersTown |
It was Chambers, but i'm not sure he's got the credentials to know what is required to become a Prem CB. It will be his pace that might cost him, hopefully not! |
It won't be his pace - or not directly. Not many centre backs are like Usain Bolt. It's about knowledge of positioning to negate players running at him whilst he's making a standing start. The best defenders are those who manage this effectively, and it's what we'll need to see from our backline this season. IMO, on Saturday, the centre backs in particularly were very good at this. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:21 - Aug 19 with 2439 views | Stewart27 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 12:39 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
Makes me feel like ElephantInTheRoom has a point, as much as it pains me to say it. We're becoming another Forest.
ETA - Thinking about it, I'd say our mentality as a fanbase is trying to turn the club into another Forest at this stage, rather than the club's approach itself. If that makes sense. [Post edited 19 Aug 2024 12:42]
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It’s a scary thought that somebody thinks the moronic ramblings of that person has a point. | | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:22 - Aug 19 with 2426 views | itfc48 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:11 - Aug 19 by homer_123 |
His pace wasn't an issue Saturday.
The times he was caught was from a 3rd man run (not his player), said players not being picked up by our midfield or full backs. By the time the player arrived with Wolfie, they were at full pelt - no way was he (or anyone) going to catch them.
Davis, of all our players Saturday, struggled with being caught out for pace. Salah's runs and moreover the timing and movement of those runs caused Davis immense issues.
I'm not saying Wolfie will be a world beater - but I do think he'll improve a huge amount playing the Prem - more than many realise.
Will it ultimately be enough, I don't know. Clearly KM rates him. Of the two I see Edmundson leaving before Wolfie. |
The two errors I picked up were the booking when he got far too tight to Jota and a Liverpool break in the second half when he went towards the ball leaving two free outside. Granted there was no rb in position but in that situation he should have maybe positioned himself halfway between the ball and the attackers outside.
Not fair to judge any of the players on one game though. There was a clear step up not just in technical quality but in sheer athleticism and you could see there were a few nerves there as the execution on the ball wasn't always as clean as usual. | | | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:23 - Aug 19 with 2411 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:21 - Aug 19 by Stewart27 |
It’s a scary thought that somebody thinks the moronic ramblings of that person has a point. |
It's ok, I'm concerned about myself as well. In truth it would be nice to go back to a time before the Ferguson-led dominance of Manchester United coupled with money having a greater and greater impact but... not going to happen. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:26 - Aug 19 with 2376 views | Illinoisblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:23 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
It's ok, I'm concerned about myself as well. In truth it would be nice to go back to a time before the Ferguson-led dominance of Manchester United coupled with money having a greater and greater impact but... not going to happen. |
Fergie’s great teams were built on their youth players and great coaching. Nothing to do with the financial doping we see nowadays. Sky TV ruined football. |  |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:31 - Aug 19 with 2322 views | homer_123 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:26 - Aug 19 by Illinoisblue |
Fergie’s great teams were built on their youth players and great coaching. Nothing to do with the financial doping we see nowadays. Sky TV ruined football. |
Not sure that is entirely accurate.
I think fairer to say he was happy to bring youth through but was equally happy to buy quality when needed. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:33 - Aug 19 with 2310 views | homer_123 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:22 - Aug 19 by itfc48 |
The two errors I picked up were the booking when he got far too tight to Jota and a Liverpool break in the second half when he went towards the ball leaving two free outside. Granted there was no rb in position but in that situation he should have maybe positioned himself halfway between the ball and the attackers outside.
Not fair to judge any of the players on one game though. There was a clear step up not just in technical quality but in sheer athleticism and you could see there were a few nerves there as the execution on the ball wasn't always as clean as usual. |
The early booking was indeed an error, though slightly harsh?
That said, credit to Wolfie for managing that for the rest of the game.
Yes, you are right on the second point - but as I say, he's still learning. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:36 - Aug 19 with 2263 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:26 - Aug 19 by Illinoisblue |
Fergie’s great teams were built on their youth players and great coaching. Nothing to do with the financial doping we see nowadays. Sky TV ruined football. |
I think the Ferguson led dominance led other teams deciding the only way they could compete was spending more, plus obviously the attraction of Sky money as already mentioned. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:43 - Aug 19 with 2214 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:11 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
It won't be his pace - or not directly. Not many centre backs are like Usain Bolt. It's about knowledge of positioning to negate players running at him whilst he's making a standing start. The best defenders are those who manage this effectively, and it's what we'll need to see from our backline this season. IMO, on Saturday, the centre backs in particularly were very good at this. |
Dunno about that, I think PL CBs now have to be fairly quick such is the pace the game is played at. You have to be exceptional positionally to get away with a lack of pace. Not that I think Woolfy has a problem with that, I think he is deceptively fast. It's why I think Burgess could struggle at this level though.
Interestingly, O'Shea was recorded as the 5th fastest player in the PL last season. | | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:49 - Aug 19 with 2148 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:43 - Aug 19 by tractorboy1978 |
Dunno about that, I think PL CBs now have to be fairly quick such is the pace the game is played at. You have to be exceptional positionally to get away with a lack of pace. Not that I think Woolfy has a problem with that, I think he is deceptively fast. It's why I think Burgess could struggle at this level though.
Interestingly, O'Shea was recorded as the 5th fastest player in the PL last season. |
I know van de Ven at Spurs is fast as well, but wouldn't say it's the be all and end all. Depends on style of play as well, I guess. If we want to be open and expansive then pace at the back is meow preferable than if we sit deep/press less, which isn't McKenna's way. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:55 - Aug 19 with 2059 views | hoppy |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:49 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
I know van de Ven at Spurs is fast as well, but wouldn't say it's the be all and end all. Depends on style of play as well, I guess. If we want to be open and expansive then pace at the back is meow preferable than if we sit deep/press less, which isn't McKenna's way. |
No pussy-footing around at the back then, you mean? |  |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:01 - Aug 19 with 1992 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 14:55 - Aug 19 by hoppy |
No pussy-footing around at the back then, you mean? |
 I can't really edit it now either.
Obviously it should have been 'now'. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:02 - Aug 19 with 1984 views | tractor_lady |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 13:06 - Aug 19 by hoppy |
I seem to remember that being on Life's a Pitch... so possibly Osman or Butcher, or could've been the episode last season that Chambo was on. I think it was one of those 3 that said it anyway. |
I had a funny feeling it was Mick Mills? | | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:04 - Aug 19 with 1958 views | stiff_talking |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 13:50 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
"I think the fans are pretty good, if any of our squad are not good enough, we will still support them and will know they are giving everything to be as good as they can, and we will support them."
I guess so. And every fanbase has a minority who go against this. |
Wolfie doesn’t have enough pace. He was caught out within 5 minutes of playing the level and got a yellow. He recovered, had a decent game but you can’t coach lack of pace. We have to strengthen this position in this window if we want to stay up. | | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:04 - Aug 19 with 1957 views | Bobbychase |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 13:07 - Aug 19 by portmanking |
We were *always* going to sign at least a dozen new faces. It's just the natural evolution of the squad. We let 6 go in the summer, so replace these with better and upgrade 6 of the existing squad. It's hardly throwing the baby out with the bath water. |
Also, players like Hutchinson and Greaves in particular will have huge resale value. We're hardly playing fast and loose with our funds. |  |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:12 - Aug 19 with 1868 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:04 - Aug 19 by stiff_talking |
Wolfie doesn’t have enough pace. He was caught out within 5 minutes of playing the level and got a yellow. He recovered, had a decent game but you can’t coach lack of pace. We have to strengthen this position in this window if we want to stay up. |
In that case we also need another left back in, as Davis was left for pace - and out of position - for both of Liverpool's goals. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:16 - Aug 19 with 1833 views | Illinoisblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:04 - Aug 19 by stiff_talking |
Wolfie doesn’t have enough pace. He was caught out within 5 minutes of playing the level and got a yellow. He recovered, had a decent game but you can’t coach lack of pace. We have to strengthen this position in this window if we want to stay up. |
Players being written off after one game against one of the world’s best teams is kinda wild. | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:24 - Aug 19 with 1777 views | PhilTWTD |
Hearing this is another one with nothing in it. |  | | |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:31 - Aug 19 with 1723 views | pointofblue |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:24 - Aug 19 by PhilTWTD |
Hearing this is another one with nothing in it. |
Are you aware if we're still retaining interest in Ahmedhodzic? | |
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| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:33 - Aug 19 with 1697 views | PhilTWTD |
| We still want O’Shea from Burnley on 15:31 - Aug 19 by pointofblue |
Are you aware if we're still retaining interest in Ahmedhodzic? |
As far as I'm aware. | | | |
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