| I was told on here on 08:38 - Sep 7 with 4202 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Ruins the life of a defenceless baby forever, gets (less than) three years in prison.
Just how? |  |
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| I was told on here on 08:44 - Sep 7 with 4174 views | Lord_Lucan |
| I was told on here on 08:38 - Sep 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Ruins the life of a defenceless baby forever, gets (less than) three years in prison.
Just how? |
Absolutely incredible.
Completely mind boggling. |  |
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| I was told on here on 08:49 - Sep 7 with 4161 views | Swansea_Blue |
It seems an incredibly lenient sentence. The potential 10% sentence reduction is neither here nor there, but 36/18 months for that is poor (especially in light of the sentences the ‘political’ prisoners are getting (I include right wing racists and non-violent eco warriors in that). |  |
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| I was told on here on 09:16 - Sep 7 with 4057 views | OldFart71 |
It's like everything that this or previous Government s do. A fudge. Instead of facing the problems the Country has whether it be Immigration, water, gas and electricity suppliers,
the allowing of essential infrastructure, Company's to be sold to foreigners. Allowing large swathes of major cities to be sold to speculators causing massive increases in rents and the cost of housing. The allowance of Company's and Councils to get away with things like flammable cladding on buildings. Allowing Councils to waste vast sums on speculative ventures and then expecting everything from car parks to Council tax to be raised to bail them out. Nothing is done to alleviate these problems. It' fiddling whilst Rome burns. I could go on forever about Governmental waste whilst expecting the tax payer to fork out more and more. |  | | |
| I was told on here on 09:22 - Sep 7 with 4027 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I was told on here on 09:16 - Sep 7 by OldFart71 |
It's like everything that this or previous Government s do. A fudge. Instead of facing the problems the Country has whether it be Immigration, water, gas and electricity suppliers,
the allowing of essential infrastructure, Company's to be sold to foreigners. Allowing large swathes of major cities to be sold to speculators causing massive increases in rents and the cost of housing. The allowance of Company's and Councils to get away with things like flammable cladding on buildings. Allowing Councils to waste vast sums on speculative ventures and then expecting everything from car parks to Council tax to be raised to bail them out. Nothing is done to alleviate these problems. It' fiddling whilst Rome burns. I could go on forever about Governmental waste whilst expecting the tax payer to fork out more and more. |
Government and public sector is a mess. But not a lot the current government can do about this particular example. | | | |
| I was told on here on 09:26 - Sep 7 with 4016 views | Simonds92 |
| I was told on here on 09:16 - Sep 7 by OldFart71 |
It's like everything that this or previous Government s do. A fudge. Instead of facing the problems the Country has whether it be Immigration, water, gas and electricity suppliers,
the allowing of essential infrastructure, Company's to be sold to foreigners. Allowing large swathes of major cities to be sold to speculators causing massive increases in rents and the cost of housing. The allowance of Company's and Councils to get away with things like flammable cladding on buildings. Allowing Councils to waste vast sums on speculative ventures and then expecting everything from car parks to Council tax to be raised to bail them out. Nothing is done to alleviate these problems. It' fiddling whilst Rome burns. I could go on forever about Governmental waste whilst expecting the tax payer to fork out more and more. |
I agree this case is disturbing and the guy should have been facing more than 3 years in the first place.
But what is the solution to this 'fudge'? There's around 100 prison spaces left in the UK, so what do we do in the interim whilst the new government looks to build more prisons? I'm just genuinely not sure there is an alternative solution. | | | |
| I was told on here on 09:33 - Sep 7 with 3985 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I was told on here on 09:26 - Sep 7 by Simonds92 |
I agree this case is disturbing and the guy should have been facing more than 3 years in the first place.
But what is the solution to this 'fudge'? There's around 100 prison spaces left in the UK, so what do we do in the interim whilst the new government looks to build more prisons? I'm just genuinely not sure there is an alternative solution. |
The thing is about sentences, unless you go and read the sentencing remarks, you will only get half the story. There will have been reasons which are not generally explained in a newspaper story which takes a particular angle, as well as clear guidelines within which the court will have been operating. | | | |
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| I was told on here on 09:37 - Sep 7 with 3968 views | textbackup |
| I was told on here on 08:38 - Sep 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Ruins the life of a defenceless baby forever, gets (less than) three years in prison.
Just how? |
we (ITFC) have a like mind individual that walks amongst us too.
How the club haven’t found a way to stop him attending is beyond me. How he’s not been bullied out of not going is even more mind blowing. |  |
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| I was told on here on 09:43 - Sep 7 with 3944 views | gtsb1966 |
| I was told on here on 09:37 - Sep 7 by textbackup |
we (ITFC) have a like mind individual that walks amongst us too.
How the club haven’t found a way to stop him attending is beyond me. How he’s not been bullied out of not going is even more mind blowing. |
How can they stop him. If he has served his time, however lenient we all think it was, he is a free man. He could probably take the club to court if they barred him. Your last sentence is definitely something I thought would happen but obviously hasn't. |  | | |
| I was told on here on 10:29 - Sep 7 with 3832 views | _clive_baker_ |
| I was told on here on 09:37 - Sep 7 by textbackup |
we (ITFC) have a like mind individual that walks amongst us too.
How the club haven’t found a way to stop him attending is beyond me. How he’s not been bullied out of not going is even more mind blowing. |
Re the last point that clearly isn’t the answer but it’s obviously tempting. I physically had to restrain a friend of mine from going for him at Burton away a couple of years ago. I don’t think it would’ve ended well. I spent the journey home wondering if I should’ve just let him do it but didn’t really want my mate to get in trouble as he’s got kids at home. Certainly wasn’t in protection of that c***. |  | | |
| I was told on here on 10:56 - Sep 7 with 3769 views | SitfcB |
| I was told on here on 09:37 - Sep 7 by textbackup |
we (ITFC) have a like mind individual that walks amongst us too.
How the club haven’t found a way to stop him attending is beyond me. How he’s not been bullied out of not going is even more mind blowing. |
TBH not seen him about for ages now! |  |
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| I was told on here on 11:53 - Sep 7 with 3634 views | yesjohn99 |
Sure they’ll be on here at some point to hold their hands up and admit they were wrong. | | | |
| I was told on here on 11:59 - Sep 7 with 3610 views | yesjohn99 |
| I was told on here on 08:38 - Sep 7 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Ruins the life of a defenceless baby forever, gets (less than) three years in prison.
Just how? |
Terrible isn’t it. Deserves a lifetime of pain. No way should he be allowed back into society. | | | |
| I was told on here on 12:08 - Sep 7 with 3590 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was told on here on 08:49 - Sep 7 by Swansea_Blue |
It seems an incredibly lenient sentence. The potential 10% sentence reduction is neither here nor there, but 36/18 months for that is poor (especially in light of the sentences the ‘political’ prisoners are getting (I include right wing racists and non-violent eco warriors in that). |
It's a perverse value system, that's for sure. I don't really believe in it any more. |  |
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| I was told on here on 13:17 - Sep 7 with 3483 views | Kievthegreat |
Sounds like he convinced a jury it was without intent which will have reduced the sentence. Frustratingly if he'd had an extra 12 months on his sentence (still too short IMO) then at least he wouldn't have been eligible for the earlier release.
I show remorse if I forget to hold a door open for the person behind me. How can you nearly kill a child and not have any? |  | | |
| I was told on here on 13:20 - Sep 7 with 3468 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I was told on here on 12:08 - Sep 7 by NthQldITFC |
It's a perverse value system, that's for sure. I don't really believe in it any more. |
Yeah, not sure I do any more either. | |
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| I was told on here on 13:25 - Sep 7 with 3455 views | redrickstuhaart |
| I was told on here on 13:20 - Sep 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, not sure I do any more either. |
I hear you. But please do bear in mind that these outlier cases, set out from an angle in newspapers, are rarely a reasonable indicator of the norm or even reality. | | | |
| I was told on here on 18:37 - Sep 7 with 3200 views | ronnyd |
| I was told on here on 09:26 - Sep 7 by Simonds92 |
I agree this case is disturbing and the guy should have been facing more than 3 years in the first place.
But what is the solution to this 'fudge'? There's around 100 prison spaces left in the UK, so what do we do in the interim whilst the new government looks to build more prisons? I'm just genuinely not sure there is an alternative solution. |
There's a perfectly good barge in Portland harbour. | | | |
| I was told on here on 19:57 - Sep 7 with 3118 views | textbackup |
| I was told on here on 10:29 - Sep 7 by _clive_baker_ |
Re the last point that clearly isn’t the answer but it’s obviously tempting. I physically had to restrain a friend of mine from going for him at Burton away a couple of years ago. I don’t think it would’ve ended well. I spent the journey home wondering if I should’ve just let him do it but didn’t really want my mate to get in trouble as he’s got kids at home. Certainly wasn’t in protection of that c***. |
I think that’s likely been the case many times.
I’ve seen him at a game once, about 3 years back. But typically stood with my own kids so hardly the ideal time to even consider even approaching him. As I didn’t even want to explain to them what he’d done.
As sitters says, he’s not seen him about of late… but on Twitter about a month back someone mentioned they had. So really no idea if he goes or not | |
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| I was told on here on 23:32 - Sep 7 with 2799 views | Trequartista |
If things continue as they are we may get to the point where incitement by tweeting about a violent act gets a bigger punishment than committing the same violent act |  |
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| I was told on here on 07:12 - Sep 8 with 2512 views | Buhrer |
Someone told you on here did they? And now you've told them back? Brillo!
I worked with the mum. Cn ut that did it deserves hanging. Little baby disabled for life.
But you tell em. It's important that you won on the Internet using this example. |  | | |
| I was told on here on 07:36 - Sep 8 with 2437 views | textbackup |
| I was told on here on 07:12 - Sep 8 by Buhrer |
Someone told you on here did they? And now you've told them back? Brillo!
I worked with the mum. Cn ut that did it deserves hanging. Little baby disabled for life.
But you tell em. It's important that you won on the Internet using this example. |
You alright mate? | |
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| I was told on here on 16:54 - Sep 8 with 1968 views | Benters |
| I was told on here on 10:56 - Sep 7 by SitfcB |
TBH not seen him about for ages now! |
I must admit this wasn’t the chap I was expecting to see,the other baby beater used to stand a few rows in front of me in the LN.
They gave a fantastic rendition of such and such add swear words etc one game,he and his mate both turned round and looked,I didn’t know who he was until someone told me what he’d done.
Shocking stuff. |  |
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| I was told on here on 17:10 - Sep 8 with 1917 views | jaykay |
| I was told on here on 19:57 - Sep 7 by textbackup |
I think that’s likely been the case many times.
I’ve seen him at a game once, about 3 years back. But typically stood with my own kids so hardly the ideal time to even consider even approaching him. As I didn’t even want to explain to them what he’d done.
As sitters says, he’s not seen him about of late… but on Twitter about a month back someone mentioned they had. So really no idea if he goes or not |
is he out now ? for someone to have seen hm |  |
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