| Trump is a real nutcase. 02:56 - Sep 11 with 18187 views | Mercian |
Some of his paraphrased quotes from The Presidential Debate.
"Immigrants are kidnapping and eating cats and dogs."
"Ashli Babbitt (The woman killed during the Capitol insurrection attempt) was a great patriot murdered by police"
"Elections are bad."
"Babies are being legally murdered minutes after they are born."
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 21:36 - Sep 11 with 2688 views | lowhouseblue |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 20:43 - Sep 11 by Ryorry |
The Bushes look like saintly angels compared with the deranged, sociopathic orange megalomaniac.
Whilst watching the C4 docu I linked earlier, I couldn't help but see parallels with late 1930s Germany - some of the conditions, & the rise of their "charismatic leader". |
"The Bushes look like saintly angels compared with". Exactly my point. But at the time all us liberal guardian readers were convinced that it was the end of the world. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 21:44 - Sep 11 with 2645 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 20:43 - Sep 11 by Ryorry |
The Bushes look like saintly angels compared with the deranged, sociopathic orange megalomaniac.
Whilst watching the C4 docu I linked earlier, I couldn't help but see parallels with late 1930s Germany - some of the conditions, & the rise of their "charismatic leader". |
Trump is indeed deranged- probably a narcissist.
But George W has a LOT of blood on his hands - around 0.5m directly and indirectly, in a war who’s pretext was based on lies. That’s before we take into account Afghanistan too. |  | | |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 22:22 - Sep 11 with 2573 views | positivity |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 18:52 - Sep 11 by BlueBadger |
Leakers is upset at what he perceives as 'two tier' policing in which violent new nazi 'protestors' are treated as criminals for committing acts of criminality and brown people who aren't committing crimes aren't. |
very odd, justice for rioters and arsonists is such a strange thing to complain about | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 22:32 - Sep 11 with 2529 views | positivity |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 21:36 - Sep 11 by lowhouseblue |
"The Bushes look like saintly angels compared with". Exactly my point. But at the time all us liberal guardian readers were convinced that it was the end of the world. |
i don't remember many people saying it was the end of the world, let alone all guardian readers!
i do remember thinking he'd be far worse for climate change than al gore and ll the evidence backs that up in spades.
trump is a different level though as proven by the damage he did last time. he will probably be much worse now that the restraining adults are out of the room, and with his mental decline. | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 22:49 - Sep 11 with 2494 views | lowhouseblue |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 22:32 - Sep 11 by positivity |
i don't remember many people saying it was the end of the world, let alone all guardian readers!
i do remember thinking he'd be far worse for climate change than al gore and ll the evidence backs that up in spades.
trump is a different level though as proven by the damage he did last time. he will probably be much worse now that the restraining adults are out of the room, and with his mental decline. |
views about george w bush were pretty extreme at the time. he was seen as a half wit and on the extreme right. 'operation clark county' was the guardian's letter writing campaign which was intended to get voters in ohio (a swing state) to see the disaster they might inflict on the world. when he was elected and reelected the left here saw it as nothing short of a catastrophe.
trump, and the people around him, is dreadful and nasty and a thoroughly bad thing. i desperately hope harris wins. but remembering the hyperbole that surrounded g w bush i take the stuff about trump winning meaning the end of democracy, civil war, or a new reign of fascism ( i exaggerate the channel 4 documentary only a little) with several pinches of salt. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 00:43 - Sep 12 with 2403 views | Ryorry |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 21:44 - Sep 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Trump is indeed deranged- probably a narcissist.
But George W has a LOT of blood on his hands - around 0.5m directly and indirectly, in a war who’s pretext was based on lies. That’s before we take into account Afghanistan too. |
Am not disagreeing with your second para at all. However, George W was at least capable of rational thinking & had some kind of notion of responsibility to his own country.
T.rump's only apparent sense of obligation is to himself, his own power & wealth. He's outside the norms of conventional political behaviour (excepting the world's worst dictators), completely rogue, & that + his "charisma" are what make him so dangerous. |  |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 00:50 - Sep 12 with 2382 views | Zapers |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 18:11 - Sep 11 by NthQldITFC |
I'm intrigued as to which part of EG's post triggered you so badly? |
Good, stay intrigued. | | | |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 00:53 - Sep 12 with 2381 views | Ryorry |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 20:55 - Sep 11 by Blueschev |
I hate this rehabilitation that Bush’s reputation seems to have gone through. He remains comfortably the worst US president this century. |
Scuse me, but far from "rehabilitating" GWB, I was making the exact opposite point - ie that if you thought him disgraceful, DT is even worse by comparison. | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 01:02 - Sep 12 with 2377 views | Ryorry |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 21:24 - Sep 11 by Clapham_Junction |
It's the end result of a sh1t electoral system (first past the post)* and heavily biased TV media.
One of the reasons I am in favour of our constitutional monarchy is because I seriously believe we would end up with Farage as president if we had a head of state elected by a single public vote.
* In fact it's even sh1tter than FPTP (quite an achievement) because of the electoral college. |
"One of the reasons I am in favour of our constitutional monarchy is because I seriously believe we would end up with Farage as president if we had a head of state elected by a single public vote."
It's the main reason for me. As I've said a few times in TWTD threads over the years - President Thatcher, President Boris Johnson etc - ^shudder^.
Ukraine did seem to get it right though! Part 2 (of 3) of 'The Zelensky Story' was on BBC2 last night - the last 5 mins was one of the most moving things I've seen on TV this year. "Churchill with an iPhone", as one reporter described him. | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 07:45 - Sep 12 with 2214 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 20:12 - Sep 11 by Leaky |
Lucan I agree with your assessment of US politics bit like here left verses right a clash of ideologies. we all need to work together |
And yet you loved Thatcher, who famously listened to all people's views and just wanted everyone to happily work together! |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 07:56 - Sep 12 with 2182 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 09:53 - Sep 11 by Guthrum |
Yes, it all comes down to those swing states, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada and Arizona. A few more might be heading that way, as demographic shifts affect the electoral landscape. Pennsylvania is tipped to be an interesting one this time round.
Unlike targeting constituencies in the UK (which might win you one seat), it gains a whole block of votes. In all bar two (Maine and Nebraska, who only have 2 and 3 Electoral College delegates respectively), winning the state gives you the whole group - e.g. 16 in the case of Michigan.
The risk from Trump himself will be mitigated if he does not control both houses of Congress. That puts serious limits upon what a President can achieve. If nothing else, every few months they have the ability to block funding for the government and wring concessions from the administration. Also (unless he can change the Constitution - which requires an unlikely supermajority) he only has one four-year term. That will affect how he is perceived both domestically and in the wider world. |
Not quite right on Maine and Nebraska.
Each of these states has two electoral college votes awarded according to the popular vote for that state, same as the other 48 states. In addition these two states have college votes based on congressional districts; Maine has two of these district votes and Nebraska has three, thus Maine has a total of four electoral college votes and Nebraska has five.
Forecasts are saying that 3 of Maine's votes are 'safe' Dem and 1 'leaning' Dem. And that 4 of Nebraska's votes are 'safe' Rep and 1 'leaning' Dem. [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 7:58]
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 08:02 - Sep 12 with 2161 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 22:32 - Sep 11 by positivity |
i don't remember many people saying it was the end of the world, let alone all guardian readers!
i do remember thinking he'd be far worse for climate change than al gore and ll the evidence backs that up in spades.
trump is a different level though as proven by the damage he did last time. he will probably be much worse now that the restraining adults are out of the room, and with his mental decline. |
This is probably pie in the sky extrapolation, I admit, but does anyone else think that the Florida hanging chads thing was an absolutely seismic and pivotal moment in the life of the planet Earth?
Had Gore got in then, could there have been just enough impetus and international influence from the US to set the whole planet on a course to thermal salvation?
(I can hear all the cynics (sorry, realists) screaming "Of course not, you fool. Rampant, suicidal, unchecked capitalist expansion and inevitable climate collapse is the way things are, the right way, and the way things shall ever be.")
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 09:22 - Sep 12 with 2033 views | positivity |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 08:02 - Sep 12 by NthQldITFC |
This is probably pie in the sky extrapolation, I admit, but does anyone else think that the Florida hanging chads thing was an absolutely seismic and pivotal moment in the life of the planet Earth?
Had Gore got in then, could there have been just enough impetus and international influence from the US to set the whole planet on a course to thermal salvation?
(I can hear all the cynics (sorry, realists) screaming "Of course not, you fool. Rampant, suicidal, unchecked capitalist expansion and inevitable climate collapse is the way things are, the right way, and the way things shall ever be.")
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you could be right. obviously it wouldn't have solved everything, but would have put the world on a much better course for a while at the very least! | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 14:33 - Sep 12 with 1833 views | Zapers |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 07:45 - Sep 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And yet you loved Thatcher, who famously listened to all people's views and just wanted everyone to happily work together! |
Thatcher remains one of the great prime ministers in my time. | | | |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 14:46 - Sep 12 with 1789 views | baxterbasics |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 20:12 - Sep 11 by Leaky |
Lucan I agree with your assessment of US politics bit like here left verses right a clash of ideologies. we all need to work together |
This "we all need to work together" idea sounds good and all that, and yes when those in power are rallying around pure ideology it's rarely a good thing. Thankfully our system often encourages pragmatism even among those presenting as "conviction" politicians. Even Mrs Thatcher, who I have seen mentioned here, was able to be pragmatic and compromise at times, in the first half of her administration certainly. She just didn't make a song and dance about it.
But effective government always means weighing up different choices and making a decision. There are usually winners and losers and competing priorities. You cannot eliminate competing ideas or opposition, in fact these are healthy features of a functioning democracy.
Your model doesn't have to be quite as adversarial as our house of commons of course, but even more "consensus" based parliaments like we have in Europe or the Scottish parliament for example, will produce their share of aggro. |  |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 15:11 - Sep 12 with 1717 views | NthQldITFC |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 14:33 - Sep 12 by Zapers |
Thatcher remains one of the great prime ministers in my time. |
The consequences of her ideology are still crashing hard against the welfare of British society to this very day in the form of tidal waves of sh!t from hollowed out and failing privatised national infrastructure given into the hands of international asset strippers.
Oh, but she gave the Argies what for. | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 15:14 - Sep 12 with 1709 views | Ryorry |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 15:11 - Sep 12 by NthQldITFC |
The consequences of her ideology are still crashing hard against the welfare of British society to this very day in the form of tidal waves of sh!t from hollowed out and failing privatised national infrastructure given into the hands of international asset strippers.
Oh, but she gave the Argies what for. |
Superbly put  | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 15:18 - Sep 12 with 1693 views | DJR |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 14:33 - Sep 12 by Zapers |
Thatcher remains one of the great prime ministers in my time. |
Concerning the removal by Starmer of Thatcher's portrait for a landscape, I thought this line by Sunak from yesterdays PMQs was funny.
"I am not sure I heard a specific answer, but farmers also do great work to preserve the beauty of the British countryside—something I am sure the Prime Minister will appreciate, given his new-found preference for landscapes over political portraiture." |  | | |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 16:45 - Sep 12 with 1595 views | baxterbasics |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 15:14 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
Superbly put |
But wrong. | |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 18:19 - Sep 12 with 1507 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 08:02 - Sep 12 by NthQldITFC |
This is probably pie in the sky extrapolation, I admit, but does anyone else think that the Florida hanging chads thing was an absolutely seismic and pivotal moment in the life of the planet Earth?
Had Gore got in then, could there have been just enough impetus and international influence from the US to set the whole planet on a course to thermal salvation?
(I can hear all the cynics (sorry, realists) screaming "Of course not, you fool. Rampant, suicidal, unchecked capitalist expansion and inevitable climate collapse is the way things are, the right way, and the way things shall ever be.")
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It depends on whether Al Qaeda had gone ahead with 9/11 if Gore had been President, and on his response to that event if they had.
Some US oil interests, and ancillary "service companies", certainly did very well out of the Iraq war under Bush.
Would Gore have limited himself to Afghanistan?
If the Iraq War hadn't happened then the New Labour project would be viewed very differently, too. | | | |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 18:47 - Sep 12 with 1441 views | noggin |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 16:45 - Sep 12 by baxterbasics |
But wrong. |
Go on.... |  |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:30 - Sep 12 with 1371 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 16:45 - Sep 12 by baxterbasics |
But wrong. |
Amersham International (1982)
Associated British Ports (1983, 1984)
British Aerospace (1981, 1985)
British Airports Authority (1987)
British Airways (1987)
British Airways Helicopters (1986)
British Gas (1986)
Alvis (1981)
Coventry Climax (1982)
Danish Automobile Building (1987)
ISTEL (1987)
Jaguar (1984)
Leyland Bus (1987)
Leyland Tractors (1982)
Leyland Trucks (1987)
Rover Group (1988)
Unipart (1987)
British Rail Engineering Limited (1989)
British Shipbuilders (1985–1989, shipbuilder companies sold individually)
British Steel (1988)
British Sugar (1981)
British Telecom (1984, 1991, 1993)
British Transport Hotels (1983)
Britoil (1982, 1985)
Cable and Wireless (1981, 1983, 1985)
Council houses (1980–present)
Enterprise Oil (1984)
Fairey (1980)
Ferranti (1982)
Harland and Wolff (1989)
Inmos (1984)
Johnson Matthey Bankers (1986)
Municipal bus companies (1988–present, bus companies sold individually)
National Bus Company (1986–1988, bus companies sold individually)
National Express (1988)
National Freight Corporation (1982)
Passenger transport executive bus companies (1988–1994, bus companies sold individually)
Rolls-Royce (1987)
Royal Ordnance (1987)
Sealink (1984)
Travellers Fare (1988)
Trustee Savings Bank (1985)
Vale of Rheidol Railway (1989)
Anglian Water (1989)
North West Water (1989)
Northumbrian Water (1989)
Severn Trent (1989)
South West Water (1989)
Southern Water (1989)
Thames Water (1989)
Welsh Water (1989)
Wessex Water (1989)
Yorkshire Water (1989) |  |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:36 - Sep 12 with 1333 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:30 - Sep 12 by You_Bloo_Right |
Amersham International (1982)
Associated British Ports (1983, 1984)
British Aerospace (1981, 1985)
British Airports Authority (1987)
British Airways (1987)
British Airways Helicopters (1986)
British Gas (1986)
Alvis (1981)
Coventry Climax (1982)
Danish Automobile Building (1987)
ISTEL (1987)
Jaguar (1984)
Leyland Bus (1987)
Leyland Tractors (1982)
Leyland Trucks (1987)
Rover Group (1988)
Unipart (1987)
British Rail Engineering Limited (1989)
British Shipbuilders (1985–1989, shipbuilder companies sold individually)
British Steel (1988)
British Sugar (1981)
British Telecom (1984, 1991, 1993)
British Transport Hotels (1983)
Britoil (1982, 1985)
Cable and Wireless (1981, 1983, 1985)
Council houses (1980–present)
Enterprise Oil (1984)
Fairey (1980)
Ferranti (1982)
Harland and Wolff (1989)
Inmos (1984)
Johnson Matthey Bankers (1986)
Municipal bus companies (1988–present, bus companies sold individually)
National Bus Company (1986–1988, bus companies sold individually)
National Express (1988)
National Freight Corporation (1982)
Passenger transport executive bus companies (1988–1994, bus companies sold individually)
Rolls-Royce (1987)
Royal Ordnance (1987)
Sealink (1984)
Travellers Fare (1988)
Trustee Savings Bank (1985)
Vale of Rheidol Railway (1989)
Anglian Water (1989)
North West Water (1989)
Northumbrian Water (1989)
Severn Trent (1989)
South West Water (1989)
Southern Water (1989)
Thames Water (1989)
Welsh Water (1989)
Wessex Water (1989)
Yorkshire Water (1989) |
Then Dear John carried on the "good" work:
AEA Technology (1996)
Belfast International Airport (1994)
Birmingham Airport (1993 – 51%)
Bournemouth Airport (1995)
British Coal (1994)
British Energy (1996)
Angel Trains (1996)
Eversholt Leasing (1996)
Porterbrook (1996)
Freightliner (1995)
Loadhaul (1996)
Mainline Freight (1996)
Rail Express Systems (1996)
Transrail Freight (1996)
6 track renewal units (1995–1997, sold individually)
7 infrastructure maintenance units (1995–1997, sold individually)
25 train operating companies (1996, operations contracted out as franchises)
British Rail Research (1996)
British Rail Telecommunications (1995)
European Passenger Services (1996)
Railtrack (1996) (18 October 2002 went into voluntary liquidation), now in public ownership as Network Rail
Red Star Parcels (1995)
Union Railways (1996)
British Technology Group (1992)
Cardiff Airport (1995)
Central Electricity Generating Board
National Grid (1990)
National Power (1991, 1995)
Powergen (1991, 1995)
Chessington Computer Centre (1996)
Dairy Crest (1996)
East Midlands Airport (1993)
Girobank (1990)
Laboratory of the Government Chemist (1996)
Liverpool Airport (1990)
London Buses (1994, bus companies sold individually)
London Southend Airport (1993)
National Engineering Laboratory (1995)
National Transcommunications Limited (1990)
Natural Resources Institute (1996)
Northern Ireland Electricity (1993)
Property Services Agency (1994)
East Midlands Electricity (1990)
Eastern Electricity (1990)
London Electricity (1990)
MANWEB (1990)
Midlands Electricity (1990)
Northern Electric (1990)
NORWEB (1990)
SEEBOARD (1990)
Southern Electric (1990)
SWALEC (1990)
SWEB Energy (1990)
Yorkshire Electricity (1990)
Scottish Bus Group (1991, bus companies sold individually)
Scottish Hydro-Electric (1991)
Scottish Power (1991)
Severn Bridge (1992)
The Stationery Office (1996)
Transport Research Laboratory (1996)
Trust Ports
Clyde (1992)
Dundee (1995)
Forth (1992)
Medway (1992)
Tees and Hartlepool (1992)
Tilbury (1992) [Post edited 12 Sep 2024 21:35]
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:37 - Sep 12 with 1329 views | Whos_blue |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 14:33 - Sep 12 by Zapers |
Thatcher remains one of the great prime ministers in my time. |
Including her support for Pinochet?
At the last count I believe his regime was responsible for over 2000 deaths and the torture of over 20000 Chileans.
I also recall she considered Mandela and the ANC to be terrorists and wasn't exactly damning of the South African aparthied regime.
Still one of the greatest? |  |
| Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness. |
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| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:38 - Sep 12 with 1325 views | noggin |
| Trump is a real nutcase. on 19:30 - Sep 12 by You_Bloo_Right |
Amersham International (1982)
Associated British Ports (1983, 1984)
British Aerospace (1981, 1985)
British Airports Authority (1987)
British Airways (1987)
British Airways Helicopters (1986)
British Gas (1986)
Alvis (1981)
Coventry Climax (1982)
Danish Automobile Building (1987)
ISTEL (1987)
Jaguar (1984)
Leyland Bus (1987)
Leyland Tractors (1982)
Leyland Trucks (1987)
Rover Group (1988)
Unipart (1987)
British Rail Engineering Limited (1989)
British Shipbuilders (1985–1989, shipbuilder companies sold individually)
British Steel (1988)
British Sugar (1981)
British Telecom (1984, 1991, 1993)
British Transport Hotels (1983)
Britoil (1982, 1985)
Cable and Wireless (1981, 1983, 1985)
Council houses (1980–present)
Enterprise Oil (1984)
Fairey (1980)
Ferranti (1982)
Harland and Wolff (1989)
Inmos (1984)
Johnson Matthey Bankers (1986)
Municipal bus companies (1988–present, bus companies sold individually)
National Bus Company (1986–1988, bus companies sold individually)
National Express (1988)
National Freight Corporation (1982)
Passenger transport executive bus companies (1988–1994, bus companies sold individually)
Rolls-Royce (1987)
Royal Ordnance (1987)
Sealink (1984)
Travellers Fare (1988)
Trustee Savings Bank (1985)
Vale of Rheidol Railway (1989)
Anglian Water (1989)
North West Water (1989)
Northumbrian Water (1989)
Severn Trent (1989)
South West Water (1989)
Southern Water (1989)
Thames Water (1989)
Welsh Water (1989)
Wessex Water (1989)
Yorkshire Water (1989) |
Yeah but The Falklands 🙄 How many British servicemen were killed? | |
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