| Boxing is weird. 10:51 - Sep 21 with 4530 views | Trequartista |
I mean putting aside the fact it's just violence with an element of skill that probably belongs in an era centuries ago (I still watch it now and again mind), I've just noticed that the UK has a heavyweight champion of the world called Daniel Dubois and nobody outside boxing has ever heard of him.
It's like Aston Villa winning the Premier League but no-one actually noticed because Man City played Liverpool five times and everyone paid three times to watch them instead. [Post edited 21 Sep 2024 10:51]
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| Boxing is weird. on 11:03 - Sep 21 with 3860 views | TractorWood |
It's a bit of a sub culture that entirely passes most people by.
It's a bit like the Tour de France or the Vuelta etc. People who enjoy it are usually besides themselves when you look vacantly at them when they talk about it. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 13:25 - Sep 21 with 3692 views | Illinoisblue |
Amazing that a sport where the aim is to punch your opponent unconscious hasn’t yet been banned or at least more regulated. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 13:37 - Sep 21 with 3638 views | J2BLUE |
They can call it a world title match but it feels like the BDO darts championship.
Stripping the title from the rightful champion just makes it seem tinpot.
Heavyweight boxing seems to be the same con trick over and over. Hype, hype, hype. A staged genuine bad blood between them moment. Big talk and more hype. Then cuddles and gushing about each other after the fight.
I will watch Usyk/Fury because that's a proper world title fight.
Won't bother tonight although I would like to see Dubois knock AJ out, not that I think there is any chance. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 13:40 - Sep 21 with 3609 views | Zx1988 |
| Boxing is weird. on 13:25 - Sep 21 by Illinoisblue |
Amazing that a sport where the aim is to punch your opponent unconscious hasn’t yet been banned or at least more regulated. |
It's a strange old concept, isn't it?
Not too far removed from the prizefighting of old, and the sort of fighting that was a core part of the plot of Django Unchained.
At its core, it's still very much blokes (often from underprivileged backgrounds) thumping seven bells out of each other for the entertainment and gratification of the wealthy. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 16:15 - Sep 22 with 3322 views | ibbleobble |
| Boxing is weird. on 13:25 - Sep 21 by Illinoisblue |
Amazing that a sport where the aim is to punch your opponent unconscious hasn’t yet been banned or at least more regulated. |
Horse riding kills more people. Would you like to ban or regulate that? Horses with shorter legs perhaps? | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:20 - Sep 22 with 3302 views | MattinLondon |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:15 - Sep 22 by ibbleobble |
Horse riding kills more people. Would you like to ban or regulate that? Horses with shorter legs perhaps? |
At least boxers have a choice whether or not they participate in it. |  | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:22 - Sep 22 with 3288 views | DJR |
I used to like boxing many years ago when it was shown on ordinary TV but on TV you are somewhat removed from the brutality.
I saw Gary Mason's first fight at the Royal Albert Hall back in the 80s, and when you are there in person without a baying crowd, you can really feel/hear/see each punch, which I didn't think was particularly nice. [Post edited 22 Sep 2024 16:32]
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| Boxing is weird. on 16:54 - Sep 22 with 3216 views | ibbleobble |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:20 - Sep 22 by MattinLondon |
At least boxers have a choice whether or not they participate in it. |
What? So do horse riders. | | | |
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| Boxing is weird. on 17:23 - Sep 22 with 3143 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:15 - Sep 22 by ibbleobble |
Horse riding kills more people. Would you like to ban or regulate that? Horses with shorter legs perhaps? |
Have you got statistics that support that (including proportions rather than raw numbers)?
I think there is a huge difference between the risk of falling off a horse and coming to harm and the deliberate intent to cause a concussion in an opponent as the aim of the sport.
Many would support banning horse riding.
Perhaps we should reintroduce jousting and gladiatorial contests? |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 17:40 - Sep 22 with 3093 views | GlasgowBlue |
That's down to pay per view.
In the 1970's everybody's granny knew who Muhammad Ali and his rivals of the time were. Anyone could watch a boxing match in the telly. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 17:41 - Sep 22 with 3091 views | ibbleobble |
| Boxing is weird. on 17:23 - Sep 22 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Have you got statistics that support that (including proportions rather than raw numbers)?
I think there is a huge difference between the risk of falling off a horse and coming to harm and the deliberate intent to cause a concussion in an opponent as the aim of the sport.
Many would support banning horse riding.
Perhaps we should reintroduce jousting and gladiatorial contests? |
Yes I have but I’m not going to give them to you. Swimming, base jumping, sky diving, skiing…there’s a bigger list ahead of boxing. Maybe we should ban free choice too?
This debate comes up every time there’s a big money event which captures the attention of peripheral parochial folk who feel like they need an opinion on a sport they have never tried and know little about. Yawn. | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 18:30 - Sep 22 with 3018 views | Swansea_Blue |
Is Frank Bruno still going? That was probably the last time I saw a boxing game. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 20:14 - Sep 22 with 2931 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Boxing is weird. on 17:41 - Sep 22 by ibbleobble |
Yes I have but I’m not going to give them to you. Swimming, base jumping, sky diving, skiing…there’s a bigger list ahead of boxing. Maybe we should ban free choice too?
This debate comes up every time there’s a big money event which captures the attention of peripheral parochial folk who feel like they need an opinion on a sport they have never tried and know little about. Yawn. |
Some very illiberal attitudes on here. There’s huge risk of concussion in rugby too, even football carries a potential risk with repeated heading of the ball and accidental head injuries.
As someone who participates in combat sports it’s a shame to see some of the comments, especially the sneery one regarding it being for the ‘underprivileged’. In my experience participants come from all walks of life, and all are treated equally. It teaches respect, discipline, a skill, and fitness. People are free to not take part/not watch. | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 21:11 - Sep 22 with 2858 views | Leaky |
| Boxing is weird. on 20:14 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Some very illiberal attitudes on here. There’s huge risk of concussion in rugby too, even football carries a potential risk with repeated heading of the ball and accidental head injuries.
As someone who participates in combat sports it’s a shame to see some of the comments, especially the sneery one regarding it being for the ‘underprivileged’. In my experience participants come from all walks of life, and all are treated equally. It teaches respect, discipline, a skill, and fitness. People are free to not take part/not watch. |
A friend of mine runs a Judo club, & mentioned the same point you raised about teaching to respect your opponent |  | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 21:17 - Sep 22 with 2842 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Boxing is weird. on 20:14 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Some very illiberal attitudes on here. There’s huge risk of concussion in rugby too, even football carries a potential risk with repeated heading of the ball and accidental head injuries.
As someone who participates in combat sports it’s a shame to see some of the comments, especially the sneery one regarding it being for the ‘underprivileged’. In my experience participants come from all walks of life, and all are treated equally. It teaches respect, discipline, a skill, and fitness. People are free to not take part/not watch. |
I do get those arguments but the issue that isn't being responded to is this.
The intent of boxing is to cause a concussion to the opponent. That is not the case in any other sport you mention and they are generally looking to improve the protection against those injuries too.
So far the only attempted defence has been "I have the stats but I won't give them to you." That really doesn't have a good look to it at all. | |
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| Boxing is weird. on 21:43 - Sep 22 with 2796 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Boxing is weird. on 21:17 - Sep 22 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I do get those arguments but the issue that isn't being responded to is this.
The intent of boxing is to cause a concussion to the opponent. That is not the case in any other sport you mention and they are generally looking to improve the protection against those injuries too.
So far the only attempted defence has been "I have the stats but I won't give them to you." That really doesn't have a good look to it at all. |
The purpose is not to cause a concussion per se - it’s to win, be that on points, stoppage due to cuts, KO, TKO, throwing in the towel etc. Arguably MMA and kickboxing present a lower risk of concussion, as there is less focus on head strikes.
But nobody needs to justify- hence why I said it’s illiberal that others say it should be banned. People consent to participate, it’s not for others to say. Otherwise maybe we should ban anything dangerous or harmful - skydiving, basejumping, mountain climbing, smoking, drinking, driving, etc etc. | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 22:30 - Sep 22 with 2705 views | Churchman |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:22 - Sep 22 by DJR |
I used to like boxing many years ago when it was shown on ordinary TV but on TV you are somewhat removed from the brutality.
I saw Gary Mason's first fight at the Royal Albert Hall back in the 80s, and when you are there in person without a baying crowd, you can really feel/hear/see each punch, which I didn't think was particularly nice. [Post edited 22 Sep 2024 16:32]
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Me too. I thought it was the ultimate sport. Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Minter, Finnegan, Duran - amazing. Loved it
Then I watched Chris Eubank smash Michael Watson and I thought ‘enough’. What was acceptable then just isn’t to me now. Nothing personal, especially to Chris Eubank who I’ve actually met and who came across as a lovely bloke, despite the image thing.
The irony is that I was taught it as a kid (how to get thumped a lot mostly) and sort of enjoyed it in a painful sort of way - but then kids doing this stuff isn’t the same as adults who can hit like a dumper truck. |  | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 11:36 - Sep 23 with 2343 views | Deano69 |
While it impossible to deny the sentiment that its basically two people fighting, there is significantly more to it than that.
Months for training and dedication to the sport and fitness.
Tactical planning and approach to the fight.
A history and heritage of title winners and losers, incredible achievements and stories.
Aside from which:
Boxing can be a great way to keep kids from getting in to crime, trouble or prison
A fitness genre which can have incredible results
No one forces anyone in to the ring and it can be used simply for fitness, energy release or a way to teach discipline.
Helps keep it (largely), regulated rather than 'underground' so it can be an option with minimised risk (appreciate there is still a pretty significant 'behind closed doors' scene)
I am sure there are others, but as mentioned cant deny it can be viewed as violent, but at least there is significant control and of course choice. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 14:36 - Sep 23 with 2226 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s more like there are five premier Leagues - some of which only play when they have to and then against a rugby team to ensure they win | |
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| Boxing is weird. on 15:22 - Sep 23 with 2150 views | Leaky |
| Boxing is weird. on 13:40 - Sep 21 by Zx1988 |
It's a strange old concept, isn't it?
Not too far removed from the prizefighting of old, and the sort of fighting that was a core part of the plot of Django Unchained.
At its core, it's still very much blokes (often from underprivileged backgrounds) thumping seven bells out of each other for the entertainment and gratification of the wealthy. |
Strange take, one of those so called blokes from under privaleged backrouds has said that Joshua losing has just lost him £150m | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:10 - Sep 23 with 2076 views | Zx1988 |
| Boxing is weird. on 15:22 - Sep 23 by Leaky |
Strange take, one of those so called blokes from under privaleged backrouds has said that Joshua losing has just lost him £150m |
The fact that he's worth what he's worth now doesn't change a single detail about his background. | |
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| Boxing is weird. on 16:18 - Sep 23 with 2050 views | Leaky |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:10 - Sep 23 by Zx1988 |
The fact that he's worth what he's worth now doesn't change a single detail about his background. |
Well he wouldn't worth what he's worth now labouring on a building site. Well I assume he hasn't got a first from Oxbridge | | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:23 - Sep 23 with 2039 views | buoyant |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:18 - Sep 23 by Leaky |
Well he wouldn't worth what he's worth now labouring on a building site. Well I assume he hasn't got a first from Oxbridge |
I think you need to re read what was written buh, you're way off with your take on this one. |  |
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| Boxing is weird. on 16:24 - Sep 23 with 2032 views | DarkBrandon |
| Boxing is weird. on 13:25 - Sep 21 by Illinoisblue |
Amazing that a sport where the aim is to punch your opponent unconscious hasn’t yet been banned or at least more regulated. |
Tris Dixon’s book on the damage boxing does to the boxers is really an eye-opener.
It really seems like those who get out with their health unaffected are in a small minority. The effects are cumulative and can come make themselves visible decades after retirement.
Personally I struggle with the morality here. I used to like watching fights, but I know that the fighters health is highly likely to be compromised, and me watching feeds that. I don’t know what is best. Or maybe I haven’t properly processed that I do know what is best, but I haven’t admitted it to myself yet. |  | | |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:36 - Sep 23 with 1987 views | Leaky |
| Boxing is weird. on 16:23 - Sep 23 by buoyant |
I think you need to re read what was written buh, you're way off with your take on this one. |
The point Iam making, that coming from a so called under privaleged you have make more of an effort to be succsseful in your chosen proffesion | | | |
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