| Well that was dreadful 19:09 - Oct 5 with 9764 views | Mullet |
Just on the train home and I think that might be the worst performance under McKenna for a while, if not ever. Whether he got it wrong, whether the players just didn’t or couldn’t do it, who’s to say?
Giving a goal away after a minute didn’t hurt Man City, but it did us, and yielded the same result. Leif doubled up on,and they go inside instead and it was all too easy. Much like any of their goals to be blunt. I thought Johnson was the only defender to get much credit in the first half, then he succumbed and looped a ball to Muric who was only going to struggle. Opening the second half and our defence, like any hammer in London could today.
Greaves for the fourth showed that while he’s got so many great attributes, he gets far too close and leaves acres in behind allowing West Ham to walk it in.
You can mitigate the gulf in class with the fact that Delap scored again, and forced a top class save as a weekly occurrence, with his second half header. But there’s little to cheer about today. It was another soulless stadium full of tourists and day trippers. Even the sister jibes and something about tractors came from ten people whose heart wasn’t really in it at 4-1. The parallels on the pitch were notable.
JLo has probably saved his job tonight. Without really really teaching us a lesson he’s left us with lots to learn. He does not collect wins like his namesake does rings.You can see why newly promoted teams don’t survive when you can be as far off it today as we were in every metric. Better players, was probably enough today. Momentum, will and identity were not blessing either side.
Phillips played like a man with a point to prove and for all his last ditch interceptions, expansive passing and all round guts, being the man today might have done us more harm than good when when we needed a team instead. That’s not his fault but indicative of how many players showed little reason to back them.
The fans that walked out from the 68th minute might have saved themselves some time, but they’d wasted everybody else’s who now struggles to get tickets. The away ends of last season are long dead, much like the atmosphere in these mausoleums of hype and ambition. This is it. We’ve arrived. Let’s hope we have merely lost, rather than being it.
While the previous weeks of bobbing along taking a point and heart from the performances have been enough. If we are serious about surviving, this can’t happen too many times again. One to forget to say the least. |  |
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| Well that was dreadful on 19:22 - Oct 5 with 7158 views | warky_1970 |
Spot on Mullet
Absolutely dreadful. We are in big trouble if we produce many more performances like that. Not one good word to say other than our fans were superb. |  | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 19:30 - Oct 5 with 7047 views | SitfcB |
Thing is we probably weren’t that bad in retrospect but the mistakes all led to goals which is the most annoying and obvious thing.
To concede after 40 seconds from giving the ball away after OUR KO is horrific 😂
But we do well to get back in not long after and play ok up until 7 mins before HT and concede just before the break after a crazy spell. Muric got lucky with the missed header and was probably still thinking about that when he went short to Morsy - big let off again with O’Shea clearing off the line only to concede not long after.
Need to be going into the break at 1-1!
Conceding just before and after HT was absolutely criminal.
The less said about the pass back to Muric the better. Horrible.
Had a little spell when Delap had his header and really had to capitalise on that to get it to 3-2 but the 4th absolutely killed the game and it became a non event.
The shortest away day will probably go down as the worst away, soulless stadium in a shîte location really. Can get an atmosphere with the size and configuration of the ground.
Lick our wounds over the break and come back ready to go again. |  |
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| Well that was dreadful on 19:56 - Oct 5 with 6739 views | cbower |
As one of those fans who simply now, other than the ballot, has balls all chance of getting a ticket, people walking out with 25 minutes to go is pretty galling.
Have to disagree with you on Johnson. Yes, he made some tackles but he gets caught out of position too much, has an awkward running style which makes him look like he's struggling and isn't displaying the strength I'd expected.
I think McKenna needs to ask a few questions of himself too. Hutchinson was brilliant in the central 10 in the 2nd half of last season in the Championship. Unfortunately, he doesn’t look strong enough in there at the moment. He's getting frustrated, hanging on to it too long and not influencing the game enough. A stint on the right where he might get some more space and time is perhaps needed. Burns is not at it and I've yet to see Ogbene attempt to take anyone on at all. A move wide for Hutch would let Szmodics occupy his best role in the centre too.
Wolf hascto feel hard done by. Did nothing wrong and whilst O'Shea is still finding his feet, we're losing Woolfenden's calmness in possession and willingness to bring the ball out.
Delap hss been a revelation but at 4-1 the game was gone and it was 80+ minutes before he was replaced by Hirst. Delap had run himself into the ground, will likely play lots of minutes foe England u21s whilst Hirst will twiddle his thumbs at Playford Rd for two weeks.
Muric...well. is McKenna insisting on playing out from the back every time or is Aro making crap choices? I hope it's he latter as that can be improved. The ball to Morsy was plain stupid and that started us rocking.
Away from home, a formation change might be needed. If he wants Leif bombing on ( which we do), 3 in midfield might provide extra cover for those big spaces vacated by his marauding runs. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:08]
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| Well that was dreadful on 20:26 - Oct 5 with 6444 views | Stewart27 |
Johnson was fairly woeful all game. |  | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:31 - Oct 5 with 6384 views | Ftnfwest |
Taylor, even though only another cameo today still drove us up the pitch more and would like to see him get a start v Everton. |  | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:36 - Oct 5 with 6312 views | WicklowBlue |
| Well that was dreadful on 19:56 - Oct 5 by cbower |
As one of those fans who simply now, other than the ballot, has balls all chance of getting a ticket, people walking out with 25 minutes to go is pretty galling.
Have to disagree with you on Johnson. Yes, he made some tackles but he gets caught out of position too much, has an awkward running style which makes him look like he's struggling and isn't displaying the strength I'd expected.
I think McKenna needs to ask a few questions of himself too. Hutchinson was brilliant in the central 10 in the 2nd half of last season in the Championship. Unfortunately, he doesn’t look strong enough in there at the moment. He's getting frustrated, hanging on to it too long and not influencing the game enough. A stint on the right where he might get some more space and time is perhaps needed. Burns is not at it and I've yet to see Ogbene attempt to take anyone on at all. A move wide for Hutch would let Szmodics occupy his best role in the centre too.
Wolf hascto feel hard done by. Did nothing wrong and whilst O'Shea is still finding his feet, we're losing Woolfenden's calmness in possession and willingness to bring the ball out.
Delap hss been a revelation but at 4-1 the game was gone and it was 80+ minutes before he was replaced by Hirst. Delap had run himself into the ground, will likely play lots of minutes foe England u21s whilst Hirst will twiddle his thumbs at Playford Rd for two weeks.
Muric...well. is McKenna insisting on playing out from the back every time or is Aro making crap choices? I hope it's he latter as that can be improved. The ball to Morsy was plain stupid and that started us rocking.
Away from home, a formation change might be needed. If he wants Leif bombing on ( which we do), 3 in midfield might provide extra cover for those big spaces vacated by his marauding runs. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:08]
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Agree with the majority of this. We seem very left sided and Axel was a big miss today and while Johnson didn't have a good game I'm not going to lay into him as he hasn't had many minutes to date. Once Harry is back up to speed prefer him to be RB and maybe Johnson into MF maybe as a 3 away from home as we really struggled to keep possession with 2.
I'll probably get pelters and maybe I'm over focusing on the negative but for me Hutchinson is still finding his feet at this level and gets dispossessed too easily which let's teams drive forward on the counter.
Our right side hasn't got going either both Burns and Ogbene are yet to be confident enough to run at the LB and make something happen. Maybe that's tactical but certainly we looked nervy and lacked confidence and crisp passing today. |  | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:41 - Oct 5 with 6256 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Well that was dreadful on 19:56 - Oct 5 by cbower |
As one of those fans who simply now, other than the ballot, has balls all chance of getting a ticket, people walking out with 25 minutes to go is pretty galling.
Have to disagree with you on Johnson. Yes, he made some tackles but he gets caught out of position too much, has an awkward running style which makes him look like he's struggling and isn't displaying the strength I'd expected.
I think McKenna needs to ask a few questions of himself too. Hutchinson was brilliant in the central 10 in the 2nd half of last season in the Championship. Unfortunately, he doesn’t look strong enough in there at the moment. He's getting frustrated, hanging on to it too long and not influencing the game enough. A stint on the right where he might get some more space and time is perhaps needed. Burns is not at it and I've yet to see Ogbene attempt to take anyone on at all. A move wide for Hutch would let Szmodics occupy his best role in the centre too.
Wolf hascto feel hard done by. Did nothing wrong and whilst O'Shea is still finding his feet, we're losing Woolfenden's calmness in possession and willingness to bring the ball out.
Delap hss been a revelation but at 4-1 the game was gone and it was 80+ minutes before he was replaced by Hirst. Delap had run himself into the ground, will likely play lots of minutes foe England u21s whilst Hirst will twiddle his thumbs at Playford Rd for two weeks.
Muric...well. is McKenna insisting on playing out from the back every time or is Aro making crap choices? I hope it's he latter as that can be improved. The ball to Morsy was plain stupid and that started us rocking.
Away from home, a formation change might be needed. If he wants Leif bombing on ( which we do), 3 in midfield might provide extra cover for those big spaces vacated by his marauding runs. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:08]
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Those fans put in the hard yards to get the points.
You didn't. You didn't support us away in the lower leagues. But now you feel you deserve a ticket because those fans, that did put the miles in, decided to leave early?
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| Well that was dreadful on 20:44 - Oct 5 with 6227 views | Moriarty |
Next game is pivotal. If we don’t beat Everton we’re in the departure lounge, early doors notwithstanding. Wins are what we need.
McKenna needs to get a hold of this because today was a shambles and we’re pissing against a gale if we don’t get our act together and start getting basic defending right.
I wasn’t exactly overjoyed to see O’Shea, Ogbenne, Smodzics coming in - I’ve never fancied them beyond a certain level - whether in green or in blue. If we had a prayer of getting Kelleher (who I would fancy at this level) and we opted for Muric, then, quite frankly, someone focked up.
We move on. Whatever KMc may say about Everton not being a 6 pointer, it is. It really, really is. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:57]
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| Well that was dreadful on 20:46 - Oct 5 with 6180 views | billlm |
Game changed on greaves free header miss,
Gone in we wouldn't have lost this one, brush down go again, |  | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:47 - Oct 5 with 6177 views | WicklowBlue |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:44 - Oct 5 by Moriarty |
Next game is pivotal. If we don’t beat Everton we’re in the departure lounge, early doors notwithstanding. Wins are what we need.
McKenna needs to get a hold of this because today was a shambles and we’re pissing against a gale if we don’t get our act together and start getting basic defending right.
I wasn’t exactly overjoyed to see O’Shea, Ogbenne, Smodzics coming in - I’ve never fancied them beyond a certain level - whether in green or in blue. If we had a prayer of getting Kelleher (who I would fancy at this level) and we opted for Muric, then, quite frankly, someone focked up.
We move on. Whatever KMc may say about Everton not being a 6 pointer, it is. It really, really is. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:57]
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Too early to hit the panic button, keep the faith. Plus we won't win next week as it's international break.
I'm sure McK has learned loads from that defeat which was disappointing considering the good performance last week. But hey ho it's going to happen at this level if you aren't on it. | | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:50 - Oct 5 with 6090 views | TractorWood |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:41 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Those fans put in the hard yards to get the points.
You didn't. You didn't support us away in the lower leagues. But now you feel you deserve a ticket because those fans, that did put the miles in, decided to leave early?
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I stayed to final whistle.
I sensed those that left early were already smashed and wanted to get back to boozing in Hackney or Town on a beautiful day. If I still drank, I probably would have considered it. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:51]
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| Well that was dreadful on 20:58 - Oct 5 with 5976 views | Moriarty |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:47 - Oct 5 by WicklowBlue |
Too early to hit the panic button, keep the faith. Plus we won't win next week as it's international break.
I'm sure McK has learned loads from that defeat which was disappointing considering the good performance last week. But hey ho it's going to happen at this level if you aren't on it. |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:02 - Oct 5 with 5907 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:50 - Oct 5 by TractorWood |
I stayed to final whistle.
I sensed those that left early were already smashed and wanted to get back to boozing in Hackney or Town on a beautiful day. If I still drank, I probably would have considered it. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:51]
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I stayed too but would never bemoan those that leave early. They've proved they deserve to be there by accruing the points. They can do whatever the frick they want.
Then you get the pansies at home that never went away before crying because they can't go on a premier league tour. Does my nut in. | | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:19 - Oct 5 with 5787 views | Mullet |
| Well that was dreadful on 19:30 - Oct 5 by SitfcB |
Thing is we probably weren’t that bad in retrospect but the mistakes all led to goals which is the most annoying and obvious thing.
To concede after 40 seconds from giving the ball away after OUR KO is horrific 😂
But we do well to get back in not long after and play ok up until 7 mins before HT and concede just before the break after a crazy spell. Muric got lucky with the missed header and was probably still thinking about that when he went short to Morsy - big let off again with O’Shea clearing off the line only to concede not long after.
Need to be going into the break at 1-1!
Conceding just before and after HT was absolutely criminal.
The less said about the pass back to Muric the better. Horrible.
Had a little spell when Delap had his header and really had to capitalise on that to get it to 3-2 but the 4th absolutely killed the game and it became a non event.
The shortest away day will probably go down as the worst away, soulless stadium in a shîte location really. Can get an atmosphere with the size and configuration of the ground.
Lick our wounds over the break and come back ready to go again. |
I thought there were passage where we just didn’t connect at all. I am unconvinced by what we are doing with Jack Clarke - clearly talented but he looked like a big championship player today and nowhere near the standard yet.
Just hoping he does something magic isn’t going to work when he’s drifting inside and leaving Leif unprotected with little chance of receiving the ball.
Last week his second half outshone his rather poor first half, I think the reverse was true of Johnson. Neither full back had much protection all game and were left with space in behind and a runner all too often. I think how individuals are perceived might colour the judgement of today too. Certain players got a lot more slack than others when no one did much to cheer too often. | |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:21 - Oct 5 with 5735 views | Mullet |
| Well that was dreadful on 19:56 - Oct 5 by cbower |
As one of those fans who simply now, other than the ballot, has balls all chance of getting a ticket, people walking out with 25 minutes to go is pretty galling.
Have to disagree with you on Johnson. Yes, he made some tackles but he gets caught out of position too much, has an awkward running style which makes him look like he's struggling and isn't displaying the strength I'd expected.
I think McKenna needs to ask a few questions of himself too. Hutchinson was brilliant in the central 10 in the 2nd half of last season in the Championship. Unfortunately, he doesn’t look strong enough in there at the moment. He's getting frustrated, hanging on to it too long and not influencing the game enough. A stint on the right where he might get some more space and time is perhaps needed. Burns is not at it and I've yet to see Ogbene attempt to take anyone on at all. A move wide for Hutch would let Szmodics occupy his best role in the centre too.
Wolf hascto feel hard done by. Did nothing wrong and whilst O'Shea is still finding his feet, we're losing Woolfenden's calmness in possession and willingness to bring the ball out.
Delap hss been a revelation but at 4-1 the game was gone and it was 80+ minutes before he was replaced by Hirst. Delap had run himself into the ground, will likely play lots of minutes foe England u21s whilst Hirst will twiddle his thumbs at Playford Rd for two weeks.
Muric...well. is McKenna insisting on playing out from the back every time or is Aro making crap choices? I hope it's he latter as that can be improved. The ball to Morsy was plain stupid and that started us rocking.
Away from home, a formation change might be needed. If he wants Leif bombing on ( which we do), 3 in midfield might provide extra cover for those big spaces vacated by his marauding runs. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:08]
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See my response to Sitters, but I think there’s a perception about him because he’s not displaced or been as good as Tuanzebe. It’s hard to name anyone who was strong enough, even Phillips got bundled and handled at times. We saw this from Fulham and Villa as well as Brighton. The size and power of players at most clubs with much more depth is a massive issue for us.
Baffled Szmodics isn’t starting away games and giving us a threat o it wide that opens things up for Omari and the right side too. | |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:24 - Oct 5 with 5689 views | Mullet |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:41 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Those fans put in the hard yards to get the points.
You didn't. You didn't support us away in the lower leagues. But now you feel you deserve a ticket because those fans, that did put the miles in, decided to leave early?
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I’d say a fair few there who haven’t tbh and it’s becoming a thing - people will disagree on the scale of resales/touting/ helping out etc but it’s clearly already an issue.
Pleased to say there was little evidence of the coked up Stone Thailand types where I was, but sounds like others had it further down the stand which suggests they got tickets off people on top points etc | |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:35 - Oct 5 with 5593 views | Sarge |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:41 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Those fans put in the hard yards to get the points.
You didn't. You didn't support us away in the lower leagues. But now you feel you deserve a ticket because those fans, that did put the miles in, decided to leave early?
Give your head a wobble |
Big reach to assume everyone that can’t get tickets hasn’t put in the yards. It’s a closed shop this season and it was a closed shop last season. I didn’t pay £40 for a membership 2 years ago so none of my L1 games counted for anything, so that’s me ruled out until we lose a few games and people lose interest.
Hell I actually wanted to go watch the games that the ‘super fans’ used as point farms but so be it. | | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:43 - Oct 5 with 5509 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:35 - Oct 5 by Sarge |
Big reach to assume everyone that can’t get tickets hasn’t put in the yards. It’s a closed shop this season and it was a closed shop last season. I didn’t pay £40 for a membership 2 years ago so none of my L1 games counted for anything, so that’s me ruled out until we lose a few games and people lose interest.
Hell I actually wanted to go watch the games that the ‘super fans’ used as point farms but so be it. |
Closed shop last season?
Pure waffle.
Pretty certain Cardiff, Preston, Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday all made it to general sale. Blackburn was no struggle either.
Leicester was easy but lots rather sit at home and watch it on the telly.
You could've gone to those and started this season on 16 points, which would've got you to every game so far. | | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:43 - Oct 5 with 5509 views | Steve_M |
Yep, it really was. In isolation, a relegation performance because despite not being under much pressure we gave bad goals away time and time again.
The start of the second half summed it up for me, two chances to cross from the right which we didn’t take followed by a horrendous back pass, crap kick and switching off again.
We need to learn lessons fast as defending like that on a regular basis will see us relegated, we couldn’t cope whenever they ran at us and gave a side under a bit of pressure a very easy win. |  |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:56 - Oct 5 with 5359 views | cbower |
| Well that was dreadful on 20:41 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Those fans put in the hard yards to get the points.
You didn't. You didn't support us away in the lower leagues. But now you feel you deserve a ticket because those fans, that did put the miles in, decided to leave early?
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Well that's were you're wrong. 12 away games every year from 2008 until Covid in 2020 suggest otherwise. Some unfortunate personal circumstances post Covid meant I haven’t got to many games since (check my recent pleas for men of a certain age to get checked out). Maybe you'd like to take a look at what you've just said? | |
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| Well that was dreadful on 21:59 - Oct 5 with 5302 views | TresBonne |
Absolutely spot on post about everything today until you had a dig at people leaving after the fourth. Paid your money, have put in the yards to be able to get a ticket to go today, can leave when you want. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 22:08]
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| Well that was dreadful on 22:03 - Oct 5 with 5252 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:56 - Oct 5 by cbower |
Well that's were you're wrong. 12 away games every year from 2008 until Covid in 2020 suggest otherwise. Some unfortunate personal circumstances post Covid meant I haven’t got to many games since (check my recent pleas for men of a certain age to get checked out). Maybe you'd like to take a look at what you've just said? |
I don't know what you've been through but sorry to hear it. Sounds like a tough time. Take care of yourself and well done for raising awareness.
I do think the away priority system is the fairest system possible and so I won't ever bemoan anyone who chooses to leave when they want, after they've spent their own money on tickets. | | | |
| Well that was dreadful on 22:08 - Oct 5 with 5201 views | Chrisd |
I do think that after two successive promotions some are getting a little carried away with expectations. The gulf between the top of the Championship and the EPL is a huge chasm. West Ham are a well established EPL side and have a firm footing in this league. We are involved in a mini league of our own with 6 other sides - Leicester, Palace, Wolves, Soton, Everton and Bournemouth. Our only aim should be to finish above 3 of those teams come May and that’s the reality of our situation. If we finish 17th, we’ve had a great season. I’m looking at nothing more than that. [Post edited 6 Oct 2024 10:31]
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| Well that was dreadful on 22:10 - Oct 5 with 5173 views | Mullet |
| Well that was dreadful on 21:59 - Oct 5 by TresBonne |
Absolutely spot on post about everything today until you had a dig at people leaving after the fourth. Paid your money, have put in the yards to be able to get a ticket to go today, can leave when you want. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 22:08]
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Who said they couldn’t? It just seems quite a sh1t thing to do after the ride we’ve been on etc It’s a weird thing to be sensitive about if it’s justified isn’t it? | |
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| Well that was dreadful on 22:12 - Oct 5 with 5150 views | TresBonne |
| Well that was dreadful on 22:10 - Oct 5 by Mullet |
Who said they couldn’t? It just seems quite a sh1t thing to do after the ride we’ve been on etc It’s a weird thing to be sensitive about if it’s justified isn’t it? |
No one said they couldn't, you are the one having a dig at people for doing so though, which implies you have an issue with it.
I don't think it's a sh1t thing to do at all. Are the players on the pitch really going to look up to the upper tier and see that a group of mates are leaving the ground to get home on an earlier train when the game is very clearly lost and we've been poor? And then get upset by it? No they're not. | | | |
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