Well that was dreadful 19:09 - Oct 5 with 9774 views | Mullet | Just on the train home and I think that might be the worst performance under McKenna for a while, if not ever. Whether he got it wrong, whether the players just didn’t or couldn’t do it, who’s to say? Giving a goal away after a minute didn’t hurt Man City, but it did us, and yielded the same result. Leif doubled up on,and they go inside instead and it was all too easy. Much like any of their goals to be blunt. I thought Johnson was the only defender to get much credit in the first half, then he succumbed and looped a ball to Muric who was only going to struggle. Opening the second half and our defence, like any hammer in London could today. Greaves for the fourth showed that while he’s got so many great attributes, he gets far too close and leaves acres in behind allowing West Ham to walk it in. You can mitigate the gulf in class with the fact that Delap scored again, and forced a top class save as a weekly occurrence, with his second half header. But there’s little to cheer about today. It was another soulless stadium full of tourists and day trippers. Even the sister jibes and something about tractors came from ten people whose heart wasn’t really in it at 4-1. The parallels on the pitch were notable. JLo has probably saved his job tonight. Without really really teaching us a lesson he’s left us with lots to learn. He does not collect wins like his namesake does rings.You can see why newly promoted teams don’t survive when you can be as far off it today as we were in every metric. Better players, was probably enough today. Momentum, will and identity were not blessing either side. Phillips played like a man with a point to prove and for all his last ditch interceptions, expansive passing and all round guts, being the man today might have done us more harm than good when when we needed a team instead. That’s not his fault but indicative of how many players showed little reason to back them. The fans that walked out from the 68th minute might have saved themselves some time, but they’d wasted everybody else’s who now struggles to get tickets. The away ends of last season are long dead, much like the atmosphere in these mausoleums of hype and ambition. This is it. We’ve arrived. Let’s hope we have merely lost, rather than being it. While the previous weeks of bobbing along taking a point and heart from the performances have been enough. If we are serious about surviving, this can’t happen too many times again. One to forget to say the least. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 22:18 - Oct 5 with 1954 views | cbower |
Well that was dreadful on 22:03 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 | I don't know what you've been through but sorry to hear it. Sounds like a tough time. Take care of yourself and well done for raising awareness. I do think the away priority system is the fairest system possible and so I won't ever bemoan anyone who chooses to leave when they want, after they've spent their own money on tickets. |
As someone else pointed out, their L1 history counts for nothing. I was unable to go all last season due to the cancer treatment, so years of away trips before then dating back to the late 1970s actually (though mote regularly from 2008) when at places like Blackburn, Bradford, Rotherham, Blackpool, Bolton, Fleetwood, Morecombe, Huddersfield, Bury, Burnley, Tranmere, Rochdale, Burton et al the away suppot would struggle to make 1000. I was there when we lost 6-0 to Blackpool and Leicester and a particularly poor 4-0 midweek drubbing under Jewell at Burnley and saw it through to the bitter end. Leaving before the end has, and never will sit well with me. Each to their own. Thanks gor acknowledging my efforts to raise awareness. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 23:11 - Oct 5 with 1854 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Well that was dreadful on 22:12 - Oct 5 by TresBonne | No one said they couldn't, you are the one having a dig at people for doing so though, which implies you have an issue with it. I don't think it's a sh1t thing to do at all. Are the players on the pitch really going to look up to the upper tier and see that a group of mates are leaving the ground to get home on an earlier train when the game is very clearly lost and we've been poor? And then get upset by it? No they're not. |
I left at about minute 75. I just wanted to get out of that crap stadium and out of Stratford before it was filled with jubilant hammers. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 00:56 - Oct 6 with 1736 views | warky_1970 |
Well that was dreadful on 20:44 - Oct 5 by Moriarty | Next game is pivotal. If we don’t beat Everton we’re in the departure lounge, early doors notwithstanding. Wins are what we need. McKenna needs to get a hold of this because today was a shambles and we’re pissing against a gale if we don’t get our act together and start getting basic defending right. I wasn’t exactly overjoyed to see O’Shea, Ogbenne, Smodzics coming in - I’ve never fancied them beyond a certain level - whether in green or in blue. If we had a prayer of getting Kelleher (who I would fancy at this level) and we opted for Muric, then, quite frankly, someone focked up. We move on. Whatever KMc may say about Everton not being a 6 pointer, it is. It really, really is. [Post edited 5 Oct 2024 20:57]
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Well that was dreadful on 01:01 - Oct 6 with 1733 views | warky_1970 |
Well that was dreadful on 21:43 - Oct 5 by LittleBoyBlue1 | Closed shop last season? Pure waffle. Pretty certain Cardiff, Preston, Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday all made it to general sale. Blackburn was no struggle either. Leicester was easy but lots rather sit at home and watch it on the telly. You could've gone to those and started this season on 16 points, which would've got you to every game so far. |
What a little charmer/nobhead you are. I’ve been back on here for a few weeks and I instantly dislike you a lot. Just saying. When you say “Little” Boy Blue, couldn’t happen to have a username of MJH_ or you? He was a little boy. And a nobhead. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 02:44 - Oct 6 with 1681 views | ITFCson | You must of forgotten about some performances to suggest maybe the worst ever performance. Away to Leeds and WBA last year come to mind and that was vs a far inferior opposition. I wonder if we will get the over critical reaction every time we lose to a team that has far better players. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 08:13 - Oct 6 with 1548 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well that was dreadful on 01:01 - Oct 6 by warky_1970 | What a little charmer/nobhead you are. I’ve been back on here for a few weeks and I instantly dislike you a lot. Just saying. When you say “Little” Boy Blue, couldn’t happen to have a username of MJH_ or you? He was a little boy. And a nobhead. |
I couldn't care less. Instead of attacking me tell me what part of my post is wrong? You hate me because you couldn't be bothered to go to Sunderland and Preston away? Deary me |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 08:21 - Oct 6 with 1543 views | Mullet |
Well that was dreadful on 02:44 - Oct 6 by ITFCson | You must of forgotten about some performances to suggest maybe the worst ever performance. Away to Leeds and WBA last year come to mind and that was vs a far inferior opposition. I wonder if we will get the over critical reaction every time we lose to a team that has far better players. |
I was at Leeds and it was a freak result where we had a couple of players missing and everything went their way. It wasn’t like today, likewise we were much closer in terms of quality to them. Today was more about the lack of quality, connectedness across the whole team, selection and timing of the subs etc to suggest it was a series of big errors all around. Especially as this will have a longer term effect |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 08:27 - Oct 6 with 1534 views | Blue_Heath |
Well that was dreadful on 20:47 - Oct 5 by WicklowBlue | Too early to hit the panic button, keep the faith. Plus we won't win next week as it's international break. I'm sure McK has learned loads from that defeat which was disappointing considering the good performance last week. But hey ho it's going to happen at this level if you aren't on it. |
It's not too early to hit the panic button, generally speaking promoted teams struggle in the second half of the season as other teams now know what to expect so we need 20 points on the board by the turn of the year to have any chance of staying up. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
Well that was dreadful on 08:30 - Oct 6 with 1526 views | witchdoctor |
Well that was dreadful on 01:01 - Oct 6 by warky_1970 | What a little charmer/nobhead you are. I’ve been back on here for a few weeks and I instantly dislike you a lot. Just saying. When you say “Little” Boy Blue, couldn’t happen to have a username of MJH_ or you? He was a little boy. And a nobhead. |
MJH a nobhead?..are you sure?..always found him to be a decent sort… |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 09:04 - Oct 6 with 1485 views | Mullet |
Well that was dreadful on 08:27 - Oct 6 by Blue_Heath | It's not too early to hit the panic button, generally speaking promoted teams struggle in the second half of the season as other teams now know what to expect so we need 20 points on the board by the turn of the year to have any chance of staying up. |
I think it's clear our home form will be crucial as it always is, and the Villa game gave us hope. What's perhaps harder to take is how the big step up makes consistency impossible. We're so used to that now, is a hard mentality shift for everyone. Same with players who got us here not necessarily being the stars of the show any more. I feel like we will survive because so many teams look in trouble/able to be dragged in but I'd like it to be wrapped up sooner rather than later! |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 09:12 - Oct 6 with 1477 views | Pinewoodblue |
Well that was dreadful on 08:21 - Oct 6 by Mullet | I was at Leeds and it was a freak result where we had a couple of players missing and everything went their way. It wasn’t like today, likewise we were much closer in terms of quality to them. Today was more about the lack of quality, connectedness across the whole team, selection and timing of the subs etc to suggest it was a series of big errors all around. Especially as this will have a longer term effect |
Makes it worse that we have an international break would have preferred Everton was just a few days away rather than two weeks. Not really sure what was the main cause of yesterday’s failures, as it came on the back of a good performance in the previous game. Really thought Villa game was something to build on but we just didn’t. I’m sure KMc is annoyed with himself and must be thinking he should have done more . I expected us to go at them second half like we did Villa not for us to rollover and accept our fate. I trust KMc to sort himself out but we mustn’t make wholesale changes because if we do we will not beat Everton who are unbeaten in three. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 09:23 - Oct 6 with 1458 views | urbanblue |
Well that was dreadful on 09:12 - Oct 6 by Pinewoodblue | Makes it worse that we have an international break would have preferred Everton was just a few days away rather than two weeks. Not really sure what was the main cause of yesterday’s failures, as it came on the back of a good performance in the previous game. Really thought Villa game was something to build on but we just didn’t. I’m sure KMc is annoyed with himself and must be thinking he should have done more . I expected us to go at them second half like we did Villa not for us to rollover and accept our fate. I trust KMc to sort himself out but we mustn’t make wholesale changes because if we do we will not beat Everton who are unbeaten in three. |
I think Kmc summed it up in his post match. We came out in the second half raring to go but to concede straight away meant their confidence soared and ours immediately dropped. I guess the big problem is that loss of confidence which is something we haven't been used to seeing. Obviously down to so many new players who weren't around last season and therefore were not part of the old team spirit that had grown through the two promotion seasons. That attitude factor will I think be one ofvKeirens biggest challenges. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 09:25 - Oct 6 with 1450 views | BlueOura |
Well that was dreadful on 20:31 - Oct 5 by Ftnfwest | Taylor, even though only another cameo today still drove us up the pitch more and would like to see him get a start v Everton. |
Did he? All I saw him do was give the ball away to be honest. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 09:52 - Oct 6 with 1381 views | Dubtractor |
Well that was dreadful on 09:25 - Oct 6 by BlueOura | Did he? All I saw him do was give the ball away to be honest. |
Indeed. He was excellent against Villa, but his pass completion was very poor yesterday. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 09:58 - Oct 6 with 1352 views | Blue_Heath |
Well that was dreadful on 09:04 - Oct 6 by Mullet | I think it's clear our home form will be crucial as it always is, and the Villa game gave us hope. What's perhaps harder to take is how the big step up makes consistency impossible. We're so used to that now, is a hard mentality shift for everyone. Same with players who got us here not necessarily being the stars of the show any more. I feel like we will survive because so many teams look in trouble/able to be dragged in but I'd like it to be wrapped up sooner rather than later! |
I love the confidence on here and agree home form is key but at this stage I'd be happy going into the last 3 matches with a chance of styaing up. I don't think they are so many teams in trouble. I'd say unless Southampton change manager soon they are gone. Wolves and Palace I feel will come good and get a run of results at some stage, they have experience and done it before, ditto Everton. Leicester seem to be doing well, that leaves Forest and Bournemouth who already have 8 and 9 points I think. It is going to be a huge struggle, the gulf is massive as shown by a mid table team yesterday who could have easily scored 7. Yes we played well in the second half against Villa but just maybe their minds were on the Bayern game? I'd say at this point the Everton game now almost becomes season defining, win that and it gives us confidence and puts us back at nearly a point a game and should give us a little breathing space from bottom 3 and it could be a springboard, lose it and we are in big trouble and likely wouldn't see a win until early December. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 10:28 - Oct 6 with 1269 views | benrhyddingblue |
Well that was dreadful on 21:35 - Oct 5 by Sarge | Big reach to assume everyone that can’t get tickets hasn’t put in the yards. It’s a closed shop this season and it was a closed shop last season. I didn’t pay £40 for a membership 2 years ago so none of my L1 games counted for anything, so that’s me ruled out until we lose a few games and people lose interest. Hell I actually wanted to go watch the games that the ‘super fans’ used as point farms but so be it. |
I’m fed up of reading this nonsense. I didn’t have a membership in League 1 so none of the games I or my kids went to counted for points last season. We started last season on 5 points for buying memberships and got tickets for every game we could go to apart from Norwich, which was three tickets a game for 13 games. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 12:10 - Oct 6 with 1172 views | Mullet |
Well that was dreadful on 09:58 - Oct 6 by Blue_Heath | I love the confidence on here and agree home form is key but at this stage I'd be happy going into the last 3 matches with a chance of styaing up. I don't think they are so many teams in trouble. I'd say unless Southampton change manager soon they are gone. Wolves and Palace I feel will come good and get a run of results at some stage, they have experience and done it before, ditto Everton. Leicester seem to be doing well, that leaves Forest and Bournemouth who already have 8 and 9 points I think. It is going to be a huge struggle, the gulf is massive as shown by a mid table team yesterday who could have easily scored 7. Yes we played well in the second half against Villa but just maybe their minds were on the Bayern game? I'd say at this point the Everton game now almost becomes season defining, win that and it gives us confidence and puts us back at nearly a point a game and should give us a little breathing space from bottom 3 and it could be a springboard, lose it and we are in big trouble and likely wouldn't see a win until early December. |
Why would all of those teams go on a run and not us though? |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 12:30 - Oct 6 with 1148 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well that was dreadful on 12:10 - Oct 6 by Mullet | Why would all of those teams go on a run and not us though? |
Because they're more likely to change their manager which is the number one way to change the style of play. We're going to keep playing players out of position and tell Muric to play short balls to Morsy and tell Leif to be out of position defensively. |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 12:35 - Oct 6 with 1142 views | Mullet |
Well that was dreadful on 12:30 - Oct 6 by LittleBoyBlue1 | Because they're more likely to change their manager which is the number one way to change the style of play. We're going to keep playing players out of position and tell Muric to play short balls to Morsy and tell Leif to be out of position defensively. |
If changing your manager works every time we’d never see teams go down. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 12:47 - Oct 6 with 1117 views | chicoazul | Lot of surprising defeatism ITT. This was always the way it was going to be. If we have 18 ish points on the board by the third round of the cup we’ll be ok. Need to somehow get some clean sheets going though. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 12:50 - Oct 6 with 1110 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well that was dreadful on 12:35 - Oct 6 by Mullet | If changing your manager works every time we’d never see teams go down. |
But it only has to work _this_ time for it to condemn us |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 12:52 - Oct 6 with 1106 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well that was dreadful on 12:47 - Oct 6 by chicoazul | Lot of surprising defeatism ITT. This was always the way it was going to be. If we have 18 ish points on the board by the third round of the cup we’ll be ok. Need to somehow get some clean sheets going though. |
And if we don't have 18 by then we won't be okay? So at what point before then do we do something that will actually change our fortunes? |  | |  |
Well that was dreadful on 13:07 - Oct 6 with 1067 views | chicoazul |
Well that was dreadful on 12:52 - Oct 6 by LittleBoyBlue1 | And if we don't have 18 by then we won't be okay? So at what point before then do we do something that will actually change our fortunes? |
1 defeat in 5. |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 13:59 - Oct 6 with 973 views | Pinewoodblue |
Well that was dreadful on 12:52 - Oct 6 by LittleBoyBlue1 | And if we don't have 18 by then we won't be okay? So at what point before then do we do something that will actually change our fortunes? |
I find it strange that someone with your claimed level of support made their first post on here only last month. That you have supported the club home and away for so long but didn’t feel the need to contribute on TWTD. I guess this is an alternative identity, wonder who you really are? Could you be a previously banned poster? |  |
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Well that was dreadful on 16:11 - Oct 6 with 877 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Well that was dreadful on 13:59 - Oct 6 by Pinewoodblue | I find it strange that someone with your claimed level of support made their first post on here only last month. That you have supported the club home and away for so long but didn’t feel the need to contribute on TWTD. I guess this is an alternative identity, wonder who you really are? Could you be a previously banned poster? |
Had never heard of twtd forums to tell you the truth. Not really an online presence kind of bloke. Read my sports headlines in the papers. Then someone showed me the twtd forum feature not long ago and here I am. Is that alright with you? Now do you fancy engaging with my question or will you carry on just posting weird conspiracy theories about me? [Post edited 6 Oct 2024 16:54]
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