| Cleverly out 15:38 - Oct 9 with 6971 views | baxterbasics |
Surprised by that - Badenoch V Jenrick it is! |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 with 3519 views | FrimleyBlue |
Jenrick had a very impressive sky interview this morning, thought he dealt with it very well |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 with 3528 views | giant_stow |
great news for Starmer. |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 with 3531 views | positivity |
a litte bit, but as the party wil vote for the most swivel-eyed-loon candidate anyway, there wasn't a lot of point sending tugendhat or cleverley forward |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:46 - Oct 9 with 3501 views | Blueschev |
What a choice! |  | | |
| Cleverly out on 15:48 - Oct 9 with 3460 views | baxterbasics |
| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 by giant_stow |
great news for Starmer. |
I can't see the Conservatives winning the next election regardless, whoever it is is going to be a caretaker, a William Hague (or perhaps more accurately, an IDS). Eventually another flashy 'call me Dave' type will come along and drag them back to the centre. Whether Starmer himself is still PM at that point is a different matter. | |
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| Cleverly out on 15:51 - Oct 9 with 3434 views | J2BLUE |
Glad he's out. He should be nowhere near politics.
Jenrick also seems to be a polished turd.
Badenoch, although fairly unpleasant, does at least seem to have a brain. |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:52 - Oct 9 with 3403 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cleverly out on 15:48 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
I can't see the Conservatives winning the next election regardless, whoever it is is going to be a caretaker, a William Hague (or perhaps more accurately, an IDS). Eventually another flashy 'call me Dave' type will come along and drag them back to the centre. Whether Starmer himself is still PM at that point is a different matter. |
I can
Labour didn't win because people wanted labour, they just didn't want conservatives
Labour so far have taken away heating allowance, look to ruin thousands of landlords livelyhoods with the reform act, changing IHT CGT too, people will end up putting back conservatives just because they don't want labour. [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 15:52]
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| Cleverly out on 15:54 - Oct 9 with 3362 views | Guthrum |
| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 by positivity |
a litte bit, but as the party wil vote for the most swivel-eyed-loon candidate anyway, there wasn't a lot of point sending tugendhat or cleverley forward |
Moreover Cleverly may have wanted to sit it out in the end. Build up his profile, but wait for the lunacy to blow over. |  |
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| Cleverly out on 15:54 - Oct 9 with 3354 views | thebooks |
| Cleverly out on 15:52 - Oct 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I can
Labour didn't win because people wanted labour, they just didn't want conservatives
Labour so far have taken away heating allowance, look to ruin thousands of landlords livelyhoods with the reform act, changing IHT CGT too, people will end up putting back conservatives just because they don't want labour. [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 15:52]
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lol at equating the winter fuel allowance with landlords missing out. |  | | |
| Cleverly out on 15:55 - Oct 9 with 3335 views | J2BLUE |
| Cleverly out on 15:52 - Oct 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I can
Labour didn't win because people wanted labour, they just didn't want conservatives
Labour so far have taken away heating allowance, look to ruin thousands of landlords livelyhoods with the reform act, changing IHT CGT too, people will end up putting back conservatives just because they don't want labour. [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 15:52]
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I think you overestimate the number of people who have an investment property and the number of people who are getting an inheritance anywhere near the threshold.
Also, we all know how this goes. Deep cuts not and then in the 18 months before the next election they go into spend mode. The whole thing is a circus. | |
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| Cleverly out on 15:55 - Oct 9 with 3340 views | baxterbasics |
Opps - when tactical voting goes wrong:
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| Cleverly out on 15:55 - Oct 9 with 3324 views | Blueschev |
| Cleverly out on 15:54 - Oct 9 by thebooks |
lol at equating the winter fuel allowance with landlords missing out. |
Won't somebody please think of the landlords?? | | | |
| Cleverly out on 15:58 - Oct 9 with 3276 views | ElderGrizzly |
And neither one will be likely be leader in 2029 as the Tories eat themselves all over again |  | | |
| Cleverly out on 15:59 - Oct 9 with 3258 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Cleverly out on 15:51 - Oct 9 by J2BLUE |
Glad he's out. He should be nowhere near politics.
Jenrick also seems to be a polished turd.
Badenoch, although fairly unpleasant, does at least seem to have a brain. |
Badenoch is a horrible, nasty piece of work with some very dubious backers too.
The membership will go for her as she is the 'nastiest' about foreigners. | | | |
| Cleverly out on 16:01 - Oct 9 with 3216 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cleverly out on 15:54 - Oct 9 by thebooks |
lol at equating the winter fuel allowance with landlords missing out. |
Wasn't quite my point tbh more about the different types of people they'd fked off in record time. Of course no comparison between the two actual things. | |
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| Cleverly out on 16:05 - Oct 9 with 3199 views | Horsham |
| Cleverly out on 15:43 - Oct 9 by giant_stow |
great news for Starmer. |
Suspect Farage is quite happy too. |  | | |
| Cleverly out on 16:06 - Oct 9 with 3192 views | positivity |
| Cleverly out on 15:55 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
Opps - when tactical voting goes wrong:
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that's on brand at least! | |
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| Cleverly out on 16:07 - Oct 9 with 3180 views | positivity |
| Cleverly out on 15:59 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Badenoch is a horrible, nasty piece of work with some very dubious backers too.
The membership will go for her as she is the 'nastiest' about foreigners. |
i think 'foreigners' should be in quotes as well... | |
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| Cleverly out on 16:07 - Oct 9 with 3171 views | jontysnut |
| Cleverly out on 15:48 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
I can't see the Conservatives winning the next election regardless, whoever it is is going to be a caretaker, a William Hague (or perhaps more accurately, an IDS). Eventually another flashy 'call me Dave' type will come along and drag them back to the centre. Whether Starmer himself is still PM at that point is a different matter. |
I can't see the Conservative Party has a future moving right under either of these two. It will just be a race to the bottom with Reform to see who can be the most swivel eyed. The days of one nation, financially conservative, socially liberal Tories are finally over - unless it's now called Starmerism. |  | | |
| Cleverly out on 16:08 - Oct 9 with 3163 views | positivity |
| Cleverly out on 15:51 - Oct 9 by J2BLUE |
Glad he's out. He should be nowhere near politics.
Jenrick also seems to be a polished turd.
Badenoch, although fairly unpleasant, does at least seem to have a brain. |
she hides it well then (or doesn't engage it much) | |
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| Cleverly out on 16:12 - Oct 9 with 3083 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Cleverly out on 15:55 - Oct 9 by baxterbasics |
Opps - when tactical voting goes wrong:
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Incredible. |  |
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| Cleverly out on 16:16 - Oct 9 with 3044 views | Zx1988 |
| Cleverly out on 15:54 - Oct 9 by Guthrum |
Moreover Cleverly may have wanted to sit it out in the end. Build up his profile, but wait for the lunacy to blow over. |
Interesting thought. I did see him as the most 'leader-in-waiting' of the various candidates with good levels of support.
Could it be beyond the realms of possibility that he knows that the writing is on the wall for whoever takes over from Rishi, and feels that a good showing this time around would be enough to help him place himself front and centre in the 2027 leadership election? | |
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| Cleverly out on 16:17 - Oct 9 with 3028 views | redrickstuhaart |
Dreadful for the country. We will have reform and the tories trying to out trump each other.
Speaks volumes for the character of the modern consevative party. | | | |
| Cleverly out on 16:18 - Oct 9 with 3021 views | DJR |
He also want the UK to join Russia and Belarus as the only European countries outside the ECHR. |  | | |
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