| Only Sir Alf Ramsey 21:47 - Oct 10 with 2409 views | DinnernotTea |
Has had the sense to play your best *TEAM* and not just chuck together your best 11 players.
Having Foden, Bellingham & Palmer all start together is pathetic.
Horrible trait of England since 1966 of massaging egos all the time. See Lampard, Gerrard & Scholes together. |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 21:56 - Oct 10 with 2360 views | FrimleyBlue |
If thick fans like me can see how the the experimental forward lineup had no support behind it. How did he not know this when putting it on the teamsheet
Two fullbacks. Both limited defensively but like to drive forward and invert. And we wondered why Greece kept finding gaps in behind out wide....
Agree with you too on the forward lineup.
Not all of them have to play. Likewise not all of then have to be selected. Fabregas said it about a previous world cup where some of the best league players didn't get selected as it didn't help the international team. |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 09:16 - Oct 11 with 2130 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Simply not true
In 1966 after years of preparation he played three different teams in the three qualifiers in which England were dull as ditchwater and was forced by injury to change his team and tactics in the quarter final against the best team in the completion. Having narrowly won that with the considerable assistance of the ref he stuck with it - and won against the weakest team England played after qualifying in the final - again with considerable help from the ref.
If you mean he played solid, unspectacular players like Hunt and Stiles - every England manager since has had ‘their favourites’ and gets criticised for it - as did Ramsey. | |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 09:58 - Oct 11 with 2089 views | Bluefields |
Venables played his best team too | | | |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 10:45 - Oct 11 with 2028 views | reuserfivethree |
isn't putting the team/set up before the players exactly what Southgate got slated for? | | | |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 11:25 - Oct 11 with 1938 views | Help |
Didn't Mr carsley say in his post match interview that they had practiced that formation for about 60 minutes?? |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 12:52 - Oct 11 with 1838 views | Basuco |
As this is a meaningless tournament that replaced meaningless friendly's, isn't this the best game to experiment in? Not leave it until the Euro's or a World cup. |  | | |
| It’s not meaningless though is it…. on 13:07 - Oct 11 with 1782 views | Bloots |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 12:52 - Oct 11 by Basuco |
As this is a meaningless tournament that replaced meaningless friendly's, isn't this the best game to experiment in? Not leave it until the Euro's or a World cup. |
…if we don’t get back into the top group we don’t get the opportunity to play any decent teams until the major tournaments.
As we’ve seen in recent years it’s all very well beating crappy teams (or in last nights case losing to them) but we need to get experience playing the top teams before we inevitably lose to them when it matters. |  |
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| It’s not meaningless though is it…. on 13:20 - Oct 11 with 1767 views | MK1 |
| It’s not meaningless though is it…. on 13:07 - Oct 11 by Bloots |
…if we don’t get back into the top group we don’t get the opportunity to play any decent teams until the major tournaments.
As we’ve seen in recent years it’s all very well beating crappy teams (or in last nights case losing to them) but we need to get experience playing the top teams before we inevitably lose to them when it matters. |
So what game does he experiment in? |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 16:59 - Oct 11 with 1630 views | DinnernotTea |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 09:16 - Oct 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Simply not true
In 1966 after years of preparation he played three different teams in the three qualifiers in which England were dull as ditchwater and was forced by injury to change his team and tactics in the quarter final against the best team in the completion. Having narrowly won that with the considerable assistance of the ref he stuck with it - and won against the weakest team England played after qualifying in the final - again with considerable help from the ref.
If you mean he played solid, unspectacular players like Hunt and Stiles - every England manager since has had ‘their favourites’ and gets criticised for it - as did Ramsey. |
You're way off the point. Jimmy Greaves was England's best striker by a mile. But he had the balls not to play him and the rest is history.
All we've done since is chuck "golden generation" after golden generation together on a pitch with 0 thought about the *team*. | |
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| It’s not meaningless though is it…. on 17:00 - Oct 11 with 1625 views | Radlett_blue |
| It’s not meaningless though is it…. on 13:20 - Oct 11 by MK1 |
So what game does he experiment in? |
As Sir Alf said, after England drew 0-0 at Wembley against then unconsidered Holland in a 1970 friendly, "If you want me to win unimportant matches, then I'll pick teams to do so".
This was the first time I ever saw England play & while I was slightly disappointed with the team selection & the result, even as a 12 year old, I could see that Johan Cruyff was the best player on the pitch. |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 17:33 - Oct 11 with 1594 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I would argue that both Robson and Southgate put together teams as well. When you see the effect of something like last night it goes to show the idea that we have so many world class players we should be beating everyone in front of us is so wide of the mark. The problem is that those players do not play as a team. |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 18:17 - Oct 11 with 1542 views | Keno |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 16:59 - Oct 11 by DinnernotTea |
You're way off the point. Jimmy Greaves was England's best striker by a mile. But he had the balls not to play him and the rest is history.
All we've done since is chuck "golden generation" after golden generation together on a pitch with 0 thought about the *team*. |
Just was well Roger Osborne wasnt playing!! |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 18:30 - Oct 11 with 1521 views | bournemouthblue |
At one stage, I did wonder if sponsorship and endorsements effected selection a little bit
If one of your players is the face of coke in your country and coke are a sponsor partner, it may effect selection decisions |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 19:12 - Oct 11 with 1491 views | MattinLondon |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 18:30 - Oct 11 by bournemouthblue |
At one stage, I did wonder if sponsorship and endorsements effected selection a little bit
If one of your players is the face of coke in your country and coke are a sponsor partner, it may effect selection decisions |
Of course it doesn’t. |  | | |
| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 11:53 - Oct 12 with 1239 views | Vic |
I get your sentiments but I don’t actually think it’s true. Hoddle was mercurial, but often didn’t play when fit. Rodney Marsh, Frank Worthington and Matt Le Tissier are other brilliant players who were probably better than those who were picked, but they didn’t play because they didn’t fit the system or the other players around.
I think the England managers were wrong to persist with the Lampard, Scoles and Gerard thing for as long as they did, but to criticism a manager for a one match experiment is a bit harsh, especially when in the Euros every man and his dog were calling for Kane to be dropped and Palmer and Foden to start. |  |
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| Only Sir Alf Ramsey on 13:45 - Oct 12 with 1198 views | Bramidan |
Has anybody stopped to consider that perhaps our world class players are not as good as the media would have us believe?
Look at the teams they play for and the players they have around them, I’m not particularly picking him out but look at Foden as an example he owes a lot to the foreign players in his Man City team.
Without them he is not the same player. | | | |
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