| 1pt above relegation 17:21 - Oct 19 with 4807 views | Mullet |
4 from Everton and West Ham now. Wonder if that’s significant yet? As that was a truly dreadful performance today.
Very few can hold their head up after that. Szmodics does not look like an impact player to me, the nicest thing I can say about Jack Clarke is that he does. Wes and him both causing the wrong full backs problems all game - McKenna has a lot to do to justify his reputation as the talented manager outside of us fans now.
Can see the rest of the division seeing us as easy meat right now, justifiably so. That was atrocious again. |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:22 - Oct 19 with 3598 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Or course that's significant a fifth through the season. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 17:23]
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:24 - Oct 19 with 3560 views | greyhound |
I fear us getting an absolute walloping off an arsenal or Chelsea if we can't sort this out. We cause ourselves no end of problems and just aren't completing simple passes, putting on the back foot all the time.
I don't know how we fix it from here as the anticipated benefits of the International break have just brought more injuries. | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:26 - Oct 19 with 3530 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:24 - Oct 19 by greyhound |
I fear us getting an absolute walloping off an arsenal or Chelsea if we can't sort this out. We cause ourselves no end of problems and just aren't completing simple passes, putting on the back foot all the time.
I don't know how we fix it from here as the anticipated benefits of the International break have just brought more injuries. |
Simple stuff should be addressed on the training ground....so why isn't it working | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:27 - Oct 19 with 3500 views | MK1 |
1 point from relegation at the end of season will do for me. |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:30 - Oct 19 with 3455 views | homer_123 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:26 - Oct 19 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Simple stuff should be addressed on the training ground....so why isn't it working |
Human beings... |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:37 - Oct 19 with 3387 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Which bit is significant? Being outside the relegation zone even though we are playing poorly? Or losing to a team that was 14 points clear of relegation last season even with an 8 pt deduction and has been in the top flight for the last 70 years? |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:38 - Oct 19 with 3360 views | Mullet |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:27 - Oct 19 by MK1 |
1 point from relegation at the end of season will do for me. |
Same, but that’s a very narrow line to walk from here on in | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:39 - Oct 19 with 3350 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:30 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
Human beings... |
Ah okay, thanks | | | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:44 - Oct 19 with 3301 views | Moriarty |
Easy meat is a good way to describe us.
I honestly think it is possible we won’t win a league game this season. We’re a shambles, a comic book of defensive disorganisation (starting from the front as you do correctly point out).it should be a source of concern that not only have we polluted our squad with some overhyped duds (Hutch and Delap the honourable exceptions), we’ve gone and given them long and lovely contracts.
If any other premiership club come knocking for him, McKenna has an easy decision to make. |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:46 - Oct 19 with 3267 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It might be time for toddlers to scream and stamp their feet and throw their toys out of the pram when/if Palace start to improve.
Perhaps being given the runaround by Southampton (again) was a wake up call for glory seeker - and inexperienced managers wedded to one way of playing with a job lot of strangers. | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:49 - Oct 19 with 3257 views | Bluecasp |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:44 - Oct 19 by Moriarty |
Easy meat is a good way to describe us.
I honestly think it is possible we won’t win a league game this season. We’re a shambles, a comic book of defensive disorganisation (starting from the front as you do correctly point out).it should be a source of concern that not only have we polluted our squad with some overhyped duds (Hutch and Delap the honourable exceptions), we’ve gone and given them long and lovely contracts.
If any other premiership club come knocking for him, McKenna has an easy decision to make. |
I think one of the few consolations so far is that no premier league club are going to come after Mckenna on recent performances. | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:49 - Oct 19 with 3245 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:37 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which bit is significant? Being outside the relegation zone even though we are playing poorly? Or losing to a team that was 14 points clear of relegation last season even with an 8 pt deduction and has been in the top flight for the last 70 years? |
We are outside the relegation zone having played one more game than both Palace and Wolves.
Something has changed since we played Villa. The last two games we have looked like eleven average individuals. The games against Fulham, Brighton and Villa we looked like a team. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 17:50]
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:50 - Oct 19 with 3227 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:44 - Oct 19 by Moriarty |
Easy meat is a good way to describe us.
I honestly think it is possible we won’t win a league game this season. We’re a shambles, a comic book of defensive disorganisation (starting from the front as you do correctly point out).it should be a source of concern that not only have we polluted our squad with some overhyped duds (Hutch and Delap the honourable exceptions), we’ve gone and given them long and lovely contracts.
If any other premiership club come knocking for him, McKenna has an easy decision to make. |
I disagree entirely. Give McKenna a chance to sort this out. If he cannot, why are you expecting anyone above a mid-table Championship side to come in for him? If we are not good enough, it is not because McKenna hasn't been backed so what does it say about his ability?
Personally, I trust McKenna to sort it out and think he has earnt that patience from those who matter due to his achevements in turning a mid-table League 1 side into one that got a record points total to finish 2nd in the Championship. | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:51 - Oct 19 with 3211 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:22 - Oct 19 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Or course that's significant a fifth through the season. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 17:23]
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I do think some are forgetting who little of the season we actually have left after such a little of the season having been played. It's such a quick season yet goes along so slowly.
These games are bloody important.
Yeah you pick up the odd shock result but at the moment our shock result could be a win against Leicester rather than getting one at an Arsenal for example.
Thank fk those below us have been worse. |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:54 - Oct 19 with 3177 views | Hipsterectomy |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:44 - Oct 19 by Moriarty |
Easy meat is a good way to describe us.
I honestly think it is possible we won’t win a league game this season. We’re a shambles, a comic book of defensive disorganisation (starting from the front as you do correctly point out).it should be a source of concern that not only have we polluted our squad with some overhyped duds (Hutch and Delap the honourable exceptions), we’ve gone and given them long and lovely contracts.
If any other premiership club come knocking for him, McKenna has an easy decision to make. |
If anything McKenna is ruining his reputation as a coach who can compete at the top level. We look a disaster and I can’t see him riding off into the sunset to join a Brighton in the summer after this season |  |
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| 1pt above relegation on 17:56 - Oct 19 with 3140 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:51 - Oct 19 by FrimleyBlue |
I do think some are forgetting who little of the season we actually have left after such a little of the season having been played. It's such a quick season yet goes along so slowly.
These games are bloody important.
Yeah you pick up the odd shock result but at the moment our shock result could be a win against Leicester rather than getting one at an Arsenal for example.
Thank fk those below us have been worse. |
spot on. people seem to not be realising how few games we now have in the prem | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:58 - Oct 19 with 3127 views | _clive_baker_ |
I reckon Everton will be well safe, they would’ve been 12th last season were it not for the points deduction. Looks like 3 from 5 or 6 I would think, with us and Saints looking the least likely to offer any sort of sustained renaissance. Not to say we can’t stay up, but quality wise I think we’re both a little adrift. |  | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:59 - Oct 19 with 3114 views | MK1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:51 - Oct 19 by FrimleyBlue |
I do think some are forgetting who little of the season we actually have left after such a little of the season having been played. It's such a quick season yet goes along so slowly.
These games are bloody important.
Yeah you pick up the odd shock result but at the moment our shock result could be a win against Leicester rather than getting one at an Arsenal for example.
Thank fk those below us have been worse. |
It is still early though. Players and manager learning from every game. Greaves missing could be hurtful, but thought Burgess did more than ok. Everton ain't as bad as some make out. It's a tough league and will take some adjusting to. They will get there, just a bit more time required. As long as we ain't cut off by christmas, we should be ok. | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 18:01 - Oct 19 with 3096 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:59 - Oct 19 by MK1 |
It is still early though. Players and manager learning from every game. Greaves missing could be hurtful, but thought Burgess did more than ok. Everton ain't as bad as some make out. It's a tough league and will take some adjusting to. They will get there, just a bit more time required. As long as we ain't cut off by christmas, we should be ok. |
honest question....when do we leave the 'early'phase of the season?
half way through? | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:40 - Oct 19 with 2968 views | cbower |
Time to show us why he's so highly rated I guess.
Some changes need to be made, both in personnel and set up for me.
Muric made some good saves today yet he does not inspire confidence does he?
With Axel out for a good length of time, commit to either Clarke or Johnson at right back. Personally, I'd go Clarke. Johnson doesn’t look athletic enough from what I've seen. O'Shea at RB- no thanks.
That's 4 games for Wolf in the Prem and he's done fine. Yes, O'Shea cost loads, has international and Premier experience, is supposed to be quick but has he really shown any of that so far? He looks prone to loose passes, his header today for the first was poor, it should’ve been back headed out for a corner. Having said that, what Burns did was dog dirt defending. Wolf and Greaves for me, build thst partnership.
We are getting overrun in midfield game after game. When the front 3 or 4 press, the gap between them and the midfield 2 is too big and we become too easy to play around. Morsy and Phillips are then exposed further with players running either at them or beyond them. As Mick Mills said on Suffolk, 3 bodies in midfield is perhaps the solution (he was talking about away from home but I think it could be the way to go in general).
Omari is a talent but he is finding no space through the middle. Swallow your pride maybe, he looked so much more of a tgreat when he could face players up from wide on the right, getvthem back peddling instead of trying to turn them in the middle when they're right up his backside.
Wes is not getting the ball where ye id dangerous. Pickining it up on the half way line with opposition teams nicely set sees him lay the ball off. He's at his best when the ball is moved quickly in behind teams where he can use his pace. It's not happening. Also, I'm yet to see Ogbene take his man on. He's done little to suggest he can change a game.
Jack Clarke certainly has talent. He probably should have 2 or 3 goals to his name already and things would look very different. His partnership with Leif, both in attack and defence is not quite working is it?
Szmodics is, in my opinion, being wasted. He showed lsdt year he is a talent, dest suited centrally whre he can also run the channels on both sides. Being tied to the left, he's constrained.
Delap has done well of course but he is being flogged, playing 10 or 15 minutes too long for me. Hirst's movement and hold up play is better but he is not getting enough minutes. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 19:14]
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| 1pt above relegation on 18:44 - Oct 19 with 2948 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 17:37 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which bit is significant? Being outside the relegation zone even though we are playing poorly? Or losing to a team that was 14 points clear of relegation last season even with an 8 pt deduction and has been in the top flight for the last 70 years? |
You can't say we're outside the drop zone even though we're playing poorly.
We got those points that have put us here when we were playing well.
The worry is things seem to be going backwards. We're growing out of the season, not into it | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:56 - Oct 19 with 2918 views | bluebudgie |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:40 - Oct 19 by cbower |
Time to show us why he's so highly rated I guess.
Some changes need to be made, both in personnel and set up for me.
Muric made some good saves today yet he does not inspire confidence does he?
With Axel out for a good length of time, commit to either Clarke or Johnson at right back. Personally, I'd go Clarke. Johnson doesn’t look athletic enough from what I've seen. O'Shea at RB- no thanks.
That's 4 games for Wolf in the Prem and he's done fine. Yes, O'Shea cost loads, has international and Premier experience, is supposed to be quick but has he really shown any of that so far? He looks prone to loose passes, his header today for the first was poor, it should’ve been back headed out for a corner. Having said that, what Burns did was dog dirt defending. Wolf and Greaves for me, build thst partnership.
We are getting overrun in midfield game after game. When the front 3 or 4 press, the gap between them and the midfield 2 is too big and we become too easy to play around. Morsy and Phillips are then exposed further with players running either at them or beyond them. As Mick Mills said on Suffolk, 3 bodies in midfield is perhaps the solution (he was talking about away from home but I think it could be the way to go in general).
Omari is a talent but he is finding no space through the middle. Swallow your pride maybe, he looked so much more of a tgreat when he could face players up from wide on the right, getvthem back peddling instead of trying to turn them in the middle when they're right up his backside.
Wes is not getting the ball where ye id dangerous. Pickining it up on the half way line with opposition teams nicely set sees him lay the ball off. He's at his best when the ball is moved quickly in behind teams where he can use his pace. It's not happening. Also, I'm yet to see Ogbene take his man on. He's done little to suggest he can change a game.
Jack Clarke certainly has talent. He probably should have 2 or 3 goals to his name already and things would look very different. His partnership with Leif, both in attack and defence is not quite working is it?
Szmodics is, in my opinion, being wasted. He showed lsdt year he is a talent, dest suited centrally whre he can also run the channels on both sides. Being tied to the left, he's constrained.
Delap has done well of course but he is being flogged, playing 10 or 15 minutes too long for me. Hirst's movement and hold up play is better but he is not getting enough minutes. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 19:14]
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| 1pt above relegation on 19:00 - Oct 19 with 2873 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:40 - Oct 19 by cbower |
Time to show us why he's so highly rated I guess.
Some changes need to be made, both in personnel and set up for me.
Muric made some good saves today yet he does not inspire confidence does he?
With Axel out for a good length of time, commit to either Clarke or Johnson at right back. Personally, I'd go Clarke. Johnson doesn’t look athletic enough from what I've seen. O'Shea at RB- no thanks.
That's 4 games for Wolf in the Prem and he's done fine. Yes, O'Shea cost loads, has international and Premier experience, is supposed to be quick but has he really shown any of that so far? He looks prone to loose passes, his header today for the first was poor, it should’ve been back headed out for a corner. Having said that, what Burns did was dog dirt defending. Wolf and Greaves for me, build thst partnership.
We are getting overrun in midfield game after game. When the front 3 or 4 press, the gap between them and the midfield 2 is too big and we become too easy to play around. Morsy and Phillips are then exposed further with players running either at them or beyond them. As Mick Mills said on Suffolk, 3 bodies in midfield is perhaps the solution (he was talking about away from home but I think it could be the way to go in general).
Omari is a talent but he is finding no space through the middle. Swallow your pride maybe, he looked so much more of a tgreat when he could face players up from wide on the right, getvthem back peddling instead of trying to turn them in the middle when they're right up his backside.
Wes is not getting the ball where ye id dangerous. Pickining it up on the half way line with opposition teams nicely set sees him lay the ball off. He's at his best when the ball is moved quickly in behind teams where he can use his pace. It's not happening. Also, I'm yet to see Ogbene take his man on. He's done little to suggest he can change a game.
Jack Clarke certainly has talent. He probably should have 2 or 3 goals to his name already and things would look very different. His partnership with Leif, both in attack and defence is not quite working is it?
Szmodics is, in my opinion, being wasted. He showed lsdt year he is a talent, dest suited centrally whre he can also run the channels on both sides. Being tied to the left, he's constrained.
Delap has done well of course but he is being flogged, playing 10 or 15 minutes too long for me. Hirst's movement and hold up play is better but he is not getting enough minutes. [Post edited 19 Oct 2024 19:14]
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Ogbene and O'Shea money surely could've been better spent elsewhere | | | |
| 1pt above relegation on 19:05 - Oct 19 with 2821 views | MK1 |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:01 - Oct 19 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
honest question....when do we leave the 'early'phase of the season?
half way through? |
Roughly, yes. Practically a new starting X1 need time to get the KM way into their systems. Still plenty to come from these guys and our manager. If we get cut off in the bottom 3, start to be a little concerned, but still to early for me. | |
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| 1pt above relegation on 20:01 - Oct 19 with 2614 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 1pt above relegation on 18:44 - Oct 19 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
You can't say we're outside the drop zone even though we're playing poorly.
We got those points that have put us here when we were playing well.
The worry is things seem to be going backwards. We're growing out of the season, not into it |
Form is temporary and will get better as quickly as it got worse.
It is fact that we are above the drop zone. If we continue to lose we will drop into it. If we start winning we will pull clear of it. If we get back to drawing we will stay around the safety mark.
There is an overreaction to a couple of poor performances against a couple of established Premier League sides. There is still more than 3/4 of the season to go. | |
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