| VAR big side bias 22:20 - Oct 20 with 2756 views | redrickstuhaart |
Once again.
Man City get the win (good from our perspective).
But what utter bollox. The bloke is a mile offside, in front of the keeper and even gives him a good shove to put him off balance. It was rightly disallowed initially. That decision can be debated but WAS NOT OBVIOUSLY WRONG. It should not be interefered with, by their own fecking rules. Same as yesterday. |  | | |  |
| VAR big side bias on 22:23 - Oct 20 with 2720 views | SitfcB |
Would’ve been a travesty if that wasn’t awarded.
It was the correct decision.
He wasn’t interfering with play when Stones headed it. |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 22:24 - Oct 20 with 2702 views | redrickstuhaart |
| VAR big side bias on 22:23 - Oct 20 by SitfcB |
Would’ve been a travesty if that wasn’t awarded.
It was the correct decision.
He wasn’t interfering with play when Stones headed it. |
Did he gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Not just about the moment of the header.
Given that he gave the keeper a good shove, and was then in the keeper's path, the answer is plainly yes. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:25]
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| VAR big side bias on 22:28 - Oct 20 with 2681 views | SitfcB |
| VAR big side bias on 22:24 - Oct 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Did he gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Not just about the moment of the header.
Given that he gave the keeper a good shove, and was then in the keeper's path, the answer is plainly yes. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:25]
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He didn’t give the keeper a shove though, if anything the keeper should have shoved him! Silva did his job perfectly.
It is about the moment of the header because he wasn’t in an offside position from the corner, and neither was he at the moment of the header as he wasn’t interfering, clearly. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:33]
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| VAR big side bias on 22:30 - Oct 20 with 2650 views | Simonds92 |
| VAR big side bias on 22:24 - Oct 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Did he gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Not just about the moment of the header.
Given that he gave the keeper a good shove, and was then in the keeper's path, the answer is plainly yes. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:25]
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It is about the moment of the header, because he's clearly onside until the header, at which point he's nowhere near the keeper's line of vision or obstructing him. Too many people outraged over things they don't understand. | | | |
| VAR big side bias on 22:36 - Oct 20 with 2600 views | redrickstuhaart |
| VAR big side bias on 22:28 - Oct 20 by SitfcB |
He didn’t give the keeper a shove though, if anything the keeper should have shoved him! Silva did his job perfectly.
It is about the moment of the header because he wasn’t in an offside position from the corner, and neither was he at the moment of the header as he wasn’t interfering, clearly. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:33]
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I dont think it is obviously wrong. VAR should not be involved. but always seems to be when a big club needs a decision. See yesterday, and our missed pen against Man City....
He is in the keeper's domain at the time of the header. Keeper is plainly occupied and bothered by him.
That said, I agree on further watching, that the shove is not whilst he is offside.
[Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:39]
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| VAR big side bias on 22:37 - Oct 20 with 2585 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
Oh dear | | | |
| VAR big side bias on 22:39 - Oct 20 with 2563 views | redrickstuhaart |
Maybe stick to objecting to equality. You are better at that than football stuff. | | | |
| VAR big side bias on 22:42 - Oct 20 with 2533 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| VAR big side bias on 22:39 - Oct 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Maybe stick to objecting to equality. You are better at that than football stuff. |
Mixed me up with someone else there | | | |
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| VAR big side bias on 23:07 - Oct 20 with 2445 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Chill out, it's just football. |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 23:17 - Oct 20 with 2393 views | FrimleyBlue |
I thought it was a spot on call.
Wasn't offside when corner was taken. Keeper actually moved him more than he moved the keeper. Then when header was made he was clear of the keeper and there was no issue.
What you're asking for is offside for someone who's just offside not one that's actually interfering with play.
Any interaction he had prior to the header is null and void ad he wasn't offside in that phase of play. |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 23:30 - Oct 20 with 2369 views | Garv |
Disallowing goals for that would be a travesty. I can't even believe there was an on field review, just tell the referee the goal is clearly good and crack on. |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 00:54 - Oct 21 with 2288 views | bournemouthblue |
| VAR big side bias on 23:30 - Oct 20 by Garv |
Disallowing goals for that would be a travesty. I can't even believe there was an on field review, just tell the referee the goal is clearly good and crack on. |
They got one view out very briefly which was very misleading, from the Man City attacking angle, you can see he wasn't in his eye line at all, be it he may have been momentarily offset on the back foot slightly
I don't think he stops that without the push either frankly, he didn't have time to react to it
Wolves would be raging if they did the same and didn't get the goal, let's be honest about it |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 07:57 - Oct 21 with 2051 views | kpblues |
Brian Clough once said if one of my players is not interfering with play he should not be on the pitch.
Totally agree.
Of course he interfered. Mad decision
We should get back to offside pure and simple and take out the ambiguity. | |
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| VAR big side bias on 08:43 - Oct 21 with 1943 views | Garv |
| VAR big side bias on 00:54 - Oct 21 by bournemouthblue |
They got one view out very briefly which was very misleading, from the Man City attacking angle, you can see he wasn't in his eye line at all, be it he may have been momentarily offset on the back foot slightly
I don't think he stops that without the push either frankly, he didn't have time to react to it
Wolves would be raging if they did the same and didn't get the goal, let's be honest about it |
They did get one similar incident disallowed last season, and of course now people trot out the stupid consistency argument while ignoring the fact that both incidents were different. Similar but different. | |
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| VAR big side bias on 09:17 - Oct 21 with 1868 views | Scuzzer |
| VAR big side bias on 23:17 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I thought it was a spot on call.
Wasn't offside when corner was taken. Keeper actually moved him more than he moved the keeper. Then when header was made he was clear of the keeper and there was no issue.
What you're asking for is offside for someone who's just offside not one that's actually interfering with play.
Any interaction he had prior to the header is null and void ad he wasn't offside in that phase of play. |
Exactly this. |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 09:32 - Oct 21 with 1833 views | Bent_double |
| VAR big side bias on 23:30 - Oct 20 by Garv |
Disallowing goals for that would be a travesty. I can't even believe there was an on field review, just tell the referee the goal is clearly good and crack on. |
VAR does that already though.
First or second game of the season, ManU v Brighton I think - ManU 'scored' a late winner only for VAR to disallow it because an offside player touched the ball before it went in. The ball was going in anyway, the offside player could not stop the ball from hitting him.
Should have been a game in my opinion, but VAR said no.
This post of course does go against the OPs title  |  |
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| VAR big side bias on 09:39 - Oct 21 with 1793 views | victorysquad |
| VAR big side bias on 22:24 - Oct 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Did he gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Not just about the moment of the header.
Given that he gave the keeper a good shove, and was then in the keeper's path, the answer is plainly yes. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:25]
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For me, it is not about the offside or not, I agree he is not interfering with play at the time the header is made, the issue is why is it ok for strikers nowhere near the ball or action, (in an offside position), to be able to just 'back into a goalkeeper'! putting them off? Surely a goalkeeper, quite a key position on a corner kick set piece, should have better protection than that? | |
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| VAR big side bias on 09:44 - Oct 21 with 1768 views | Blueschev |
| VAR big side bias on 09:32 - Oct 21 by Bent_double |
VAR does that already though.
First or second game of the season, ManU v Brighton I think - ManU 'scored' a late winner only for VAR to disallow it because an offside player touched the ball before it went in. The ball was going in anyway, the offside player could not stop the ball from hitting him.
Should have been a game in my opinion, but VAR said no.
This post of course does go against the OPs title |
How could he not be offside if he touched the ball? |  | | |
| VAR big side bias on 11:16 - Oct 21 with 1641 views | bournemouthblue |
| VAR big side bias on 08:43 - Oct 21 by Garv |
They did get one similar incident disallowed last season, and of course now people trot out the stupid consistency argument while ignoring the fact that both incidents were different. Similar but different. |
I also think they way they are interpreting VAR differently this season
I get the impression they weren't overly keen to undermine ref's original decisions last season. I have to say, I thought the penalty was the right call but I'm not convinced it would necessarily have been overturned last season, even though it wasn't a penalty. | |
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| VAR big side bias on 11:42 - Oct 21 with 1571 views | Bent_double |
| VAR big side bias on 09:44 - Oct 21 by Blueschev |
How could he not be offside if he touched the ball? |
Sorry, thought I'd made it clear. He WAS offside, but the ball touched him, on the goal line, before going in. It was going in anyway, in otherwords, he was not interfering with play (as per this OP), so why disallow it? | |
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| VAR big side bias on 12:35 - Oct 21 with 1511 views | tonybied |
| VAR big side bias on 11:42 - Oct 21 by Bent_double |
Sorry, thought I'd made it clear. He WAS offside, but the ball touched him, on the goal line, before going in. It was going in anyway, in otherwords, he was not interfering with play (as per this OP), so why disallow it? |
But the rules say he was offside, you can't just discount rules because of a players poor positioning! The player made a decision to place himself on the line in the way of the shot. The ball touched him, which IS interfering with play, regardless of whether the ball was heading in or not. |  | | |
| VAR big side bias on 12:50 - Oct 21 with 1472 views | Blueschev |
| VAR big side bias on 11:42 - Oct 21 by Bent_double |
Sorry, thought I'd made it clear. He WAS offside, but the ball touched him, on the goal line, before going in. It was going in anyway, in otherwords, he was not interfering with play (as per this OP), so why disallow it? |
Because he touched the ball in an offside position. Touching the ball is the very definition of interfering with play. Whether or not it was going in is irrelevant. | | | |
| VAR big side bias on 13:44 - Oct 21 with 1425 views | Bent_double |
OK guys, I'm in the minority here, anyway, the ManU/Brighton VAR decision was not what this threat was about, so I'll leave it - even though I understand (but disagree) with the rules/way VAR was used then. | |
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| VAR big side bias on 14:45 - Oct 21 with 1373 views | OldFart71 |
If Town had scored that goal and it had been disallowed I would have been steaming. However as I have said on numerous occasions VAR is no better than a referee giving decisions because if the officials watching a screen are biased it's no better than a biased ref of which there have been many over the years. The only way that VAR can work is by being run by technology that has the same outcome every time given a certain set of circumstances so a handball has to have certain attributes to it to be awarded, offside, pens, red cards etc and is only used if officials are unsure. Otherwise their decision is final. No that doesn't do away with bad or suspicious/controversial decisions by officials, but it does do away with the same on VAR. | | | |
| VAR big side bias on 18:22 - Oct 21 with 1267 views | Swansea_Blue |
| VAR big side bias on 22:28 - Oct 20 by SitfcB |
He didn’t give the keeper a shove though, if anything the keeper should have shoved him! Silva did his job perfectly.
It is about the moment of the header because he wasn’t in an offside position from the corner, and neither was he at the moment of the header as he wasn’t interfering, clearly. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 22:33]
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If he wasn’t interfering with play, what the hell is he doing on the pitch?
RIP Cloughie. |  |
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