| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move 16:58 - Nov 17 with 6733 views | Mullet |
Poor start to proceedings this |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 20:57 - Nov 18 with 1755 views | smithy69 |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:10 - Nov 18 by leitrimblue |
I live in quite a Republican area compared with much of Ireland. Have drunk in many pubs all over the border area, some of um very Republican. I have an incredible English
Haverhill/Pikey accent and I reckon it's been about 15 years since anyone even cracked a joke about me being English.
Bit of a Shame in a way cause i use to quite enjoy the English-Irish banter |
Up the havehill lol |  | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:04 - Nov 19 with 1616 views | wkj |
Now, I am willing to accept my stance could be somewhat related to autism, but I really can't get my head around the concept of national anthems in any way, other than a bit of lovely decoration, such as the Monarchy.
I used to get forced to stand to attention to the star spangled banner when they played it twice daily at RAF Bentwaters and Woodbridge, everyone stopped too - traffic, pedestrians, you name it. I never got it though, and why it is a thing of patriotism - I don't see a tangible link between music and patriotism.
That said, while I don't understand getting glassy eyed at the national anthem, I also don't get the point in booing it. It's not as if Daphne and Celeste are singing "God Save you, your momma to and your daddy" - if they did then let the boos ring out and the piss bottles fly. |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:20 - Nov 19 with 1592 views | chicoazul |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 17:21 - Nov 17 by Mullet |
Wouldn’t be so bad if ours wasn’t a horrendous dirge, glorifying one of the biggest causes of social inequality in our history. |
If that’s the case shouldn’t you be in favour of booing it? Since it glorifies the monarchy? |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:39 - Nov 19 with 1572 views | orfordbuoy |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 05:58 - Nov 18 by smithy69 |
We were in Brussels a few weeks ago and had an evening in an Irish bar drinking Guinness by the shed load. At 10pm an Irish lad came out with a Guitar and started playing all kinds of pop songs from 80s through to current day
At midnight - he pulled out a flag - and then for 60 minutes started singing pro IRA songs to a crowd of overjoyed Irish. Mainly woman going mental and joining in
Was a real eye opener - not in a good way
They must have sung Up the RA 5 times
Really strange |
fuelling hatred by forever playing the victim |  | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:23 - Nov 19 with 1481 views | orfordbuoy |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 05:58 - Nov 18 by smithy69 |
We were in Brussels a few weeks ago and had an evening in an Irish bar drinking Guinness by the shed load. At 10pm an Irish lad came out with a Guitar and started playing all kinds of pop songs from 80s through to current day
At midnight - he pulled out a flag - and then for 60 minutes started singing pro IRA songs to a crowd of overjoyed Irish. Mainly woman going mental and joining in
Was a real eye opener - not in a good way
They must have sung Up the RA 5 times
Really strange |
pointing out how appalling praising terrorists is, I got 2 downvotes for the one post. On the Ukraine thread a Putin apologist has received 50% less downvotes for any post.
Criticising the praising of terrorists is worse than defending the barbarities of Putin according to TWTD? Explains why so many folk read TWTD, but never dare write. | | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:53 - Nov 19 with 1453 views | Mullet |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:20 - Nov 19 by chicoazul |
If that’s the case shouldn’t you be in favour of booing it? Since it glorifies the monarchy? |
No, the monarchy feeds on pageantry and herd mentality. Booing it plays into their hands. Ignoring it and being respectful is far better option.
Never be like your enemy and all that. | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:57 - Nov 19 with 1454 views | Mullet |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:23 - Nov 19 by orfordbuoy |
pointing out how appalling praising terrorists is, I got 2 downvotes for the one post. On the Ukraine thread a Putin apologist has received 50% less downvotes for any post.
Criticising the praising of terrorists is worse than defending the barbarities of Putin according to TWTD? Explains why so many folk read TWTD, but never dare write. |
Surely downvotes represent the individual not the board?
The fact you’re so upset by 2 downvotes but have just called a whole nation and its diaspora as forever playing the victims seems a bit disproportionate doesn’t it?
Given you’re flying our flag as your avatar surely you know the history of English occupation and aggression in Ireland over the past few centuries? | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 19:07 - Nov 19 with 1440 views | MK1 |
Booing the Scottish anthem is fine though, right? |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 08:25 - Nov 21 with 1290 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:16 - Nov 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yep. I would love to see the whole pre match build up changed.
The whole, walk out slowly holding hands with a child, stand about for a bit, shake hands even though you will shake hands later in the game is terrible.
Get rid of all of that. Teams should run out of the tunnel and then get going. |
Agree, the friendly shaking of hands before a game is a farce. 15 seconds in and they would all cheat their own grandmother. That goes for us as well as our opponents. | | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:03 - Nov 21 with 1258 views | Churchman |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:29 - Nov 18 by Radlett_blue |
The UK national anthem beseeches an entity which doesn't exist to preserve another entity which (IMO) shouldn't exist. So I don't sing it, although I don't boo it. |
It’s actually a prayer. I don’t like it, don’t sing it (best I don’t sing - the world doesn’t deserve that terrible noise) don’t think it’s right that England does not have its own anthem.
As for the Irish, I cannot hate a whole people and don’t. Individuals and groups including those that nearly did for me are a different matter.
I’ve always wanted to visit Ireland, north and south. It’s clearly a very beautiful place. But I have never seen the point in enduring their hatreds either the silent ones with a smile and DNA in your dinner or open hostility. Mrs C and a friend of mine, who has a small house in the south, tell me it isn’t like that, so maybe one day.
I had a work colleague who hailed from Belfast some years ago. He was a terrific work companion, drinking chum and a better golfer. We had a lot of fun. He’d been driven out of Ireland. As a Protestant he’d married a Catholic. I never discussed it or understood it. Some subjects were simply off limits beyond me taking the mickey out of King Billy’s scramble in a muddy ditch every July 1st - Battle of the Boyne. |  | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:22 - Nov 21 with 1237 views | noggin |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:03 - Nov 21 by Churchman |
It’s actually a prayer. I don’t like it, don’t sing it (best I don’t sing - the world doesn’t deserve that terrible noise) don’t think it’s right that England does not have its own anthem.
As for the Irish, I cannot hate a whole people and don’t. Individuals and groups including those that nearly did for me are a different matter.
I’ve always wanted to visit Ireland, north and south. It’s clearly a very beautiful place. But I have never seen the point in enduring their hatreds either the silent ones with a smile and DNA in your dinner or open hostility. Mrs C and a friend of mine, who has a small house in the south, tell me it isn’t like that, so maybe one day.
I had a work colleague who hailed from Belfast some years ago. He was a terrific work companion, drinking chum and a better golfer. We had a lot of fun. He’d been driven out of Ireland. As a Protestant he’d married a Catholic. I never discussed it or understood it. Some subjects were simply off limits beyond me taking the mickey out of King Billy’s scramble in a muddy ditch every July 1st - Battle of the Boyne. |
If you visit Ireland and don't show any kind of loud 'English superiority' attitude, you'll be made very welcome everywhere, in my experience. Problems come when people don't show respect for the Irish people and the country's history. |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:35 - Nov 21 with 1216 views | itfcjoe |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:22 - Nov 21 by noggin |
If you visit Ireland and don't show any kind of loud 'English superiority' attitude, you'll be made very welcome everywhere, in my experience. Problems come when people don't show respect for the Irish people and the country's history. |
That's not always the case, I've been there numerous times and generally been fine but had 3 or 4 occasions when we've been made to feel very unwelcome for being English when you just wouldn't expect it.
We've just swiftly moved on and back to more touristy areas as no point getting involved |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:38 - Nov 21 with 1190 views | noggin |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:35 - Nov 21 by itfcjoe |
That's not always the case, I've been there numerous times and generally been fine but had 3 or 4 occasions when we've been made to feel very unwelcome for being English when you just wouldn't expect it.
We've just swiftly moved on and back to more touristy areas as no point getting involved |
That's a shame. I've heard similar stories from Scotland and Wales but again, I've never experienced it. I have however experienced problems all over Britain for being a serviceman. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 9:44]
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:04 - Nov 21 with 1149 views | leitrimblue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:35 - Nov 21 by itfcjoe |
That's not always the case, I've been there numerous times and generally been fine but had 3 or 4 occasions when we've been made to feel very unwelcome for being English when you just wouldn't expect it.
We've just swiftly moved on and back to more touristy areas as no point getting involved |
Whereabouts in Ireland were you Joe?
Also who were you with? Stag do or with the family?
I'd say if you were just out with the family you've been very unlucky. |  | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:10 - Nov 21 with 1130 views | leitrimblue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:03 - Nov 21 by Churchman |
It’s actually a prayer. I don’t like it, don’t sing it (best I don’t sing - the world doesn’t deserve that terrible noise) don’t think it’s right that England does not have its own anthem.
As for the Irish, I cannot hate a whole people and don’t. Individuals and groups including those that nearly did for me are a different matter.
I’ve always wanted to visit Ireland, north and south. It’s clearly a very beautiful place. But I have never seen the point in enduring their hatreds either the silent ones with a smile and DNA in your dinner or open hostility. Mrs C and a friend of mine, who has a small house in the south, tell me it isn’t like that, so maybe one day.
I had a work colleague who hailed from Belfast some years ago. He was a terrific work companion, drinking chum and a better golfer. We had a lot of fun. He’d been driven out of Ireland. As a Protestant he’d married a Catholic. I never discussed it or understood it. Some subjects were simply off limits beyond me taking the mickey out of King Billy’s scramble in a muddy ditch every July 1st - Battle of the Boyne. |
I'd be surprised if you face any hatred Churchman. Just be as respectful as I'm sure you are when you visit any other country and I imagine your be fine. | | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:11 - Nov 21 with 1125 views | leitrimblue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:23 - Nov 19 by orfordbuoy |
pointing out how appalling praising terrorists is, I got 2 downvotes for the one post. On the Ukraine thread a Putin apologist has received 50% less downvotes for any post.
Criticising the praising of terrorists is worse than defending the barbarities of Putin according to TWTD? Explains why so many folk read TWTD, but never dare write. |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:38 - Nov 21 with 1084 views | Radlett_blue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 09:03 - Nov 21 by Churchman |
It’s actually a prayer. I don’t like it, don’t sing it (best I don’t sing - the world doesn’t deserve that terrible noise) don’t think it’s right that England does not have its own anthem.
As for the Irish, I cannot hate a whole people and don’t. Individuals and groups including those that nearly did for me are a different matter.
I’ve always wanted to visit Ireland, north and south. It’s clearly a very beautiful place. But I have never seen the point in enduring their hatreds either the silent ones with a smile and DNA in your dinner or open hostility. Mrs C and a friend of mine, who has a small house in the south, tell me it isn’t like that, so maybe one day.
I had a work colleague who hailed from Belfast some years ago. He was a terrific work companion, drinking chum and a better golfer. We had a lot of fun. He’d been driven out of Ireland. As a Protestant he’d married a Catholic. I never discussed it or understood it. Some subjects were simply off limits beyond me taking the mickey out of King Billy’s scramble in a muddy ditch every July 1st - Battle of the Boyne. |
I was born in Belfast & my mother's side of my family are from Northern Ireland. A few years ago i took a taxi from the airport to Belfast & my taxi driver & I were chatting along merrily, until I said "My sister was born in Derry"
"WHERE?"
"Derry".
"NEVER HEARD OF IT".
"Ah, my sister was born in Londonderry".
And then the pleasant chit-chat continued.... |  |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 11:14 - Nov 21 with 1036 views | HighgateBlue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 11:52 - Nov 18 by withyblue |
National anthems at sporting events are a totally ridiculous charade imo, so I couldn't care less about any of them being booed. Isn't it just football supporters engaging in the pantomime of it all? I don't see what makes a nation state's special song so important that booing it is any more of a scumbag move than me booing otbc at an EA derby.
As you say, ours glorifies one of the roots of major social inequality (not to mention imperialism), the French anthem sings about watering the fields with the blood of the impure, the Spanish anthem was once the anthem of a brutal fascist regime, and I could go on. Most anthems deserve booing. |
Whilst I don't agree with booing national anthems, I do think they should be confined to national sporting contests. The American habit of singing the anthem at events where there is no national team playing, just to remind everyone how much they're supposed to love the country that they're in, seems a little odd to me.
I'm happy to just treat a national anthem as a symbol. Like the three lions on the badge, we don't actually have any real affinity with lions to any greater extent than tigers or hippos, they are just a symbol. So I can take the words with a pinch of salt and just have a sing song at a national game. Where I totally agree with you is in citing various different nations and their oddities even-handedly, rather than the fairly well-worn trope of solely having a bash at /ours/, either because it's the English stealing the UK anthem, or because one hates the royals, or because the tune is said to be a dirge, or whatever. There are plenty of monarchies in Europe (which people are free to love, loathe or shrug at), and various of the anthems glorify the King (Belgium, Denmark just by way of example in the words, and Spain through the title, although it has no words).
The French one is a particularly good example of pretty awful sentiments. Although the French Revolution was extremely important to the development of French and European history, the words of the anthem are really quite divorced from what matters to French people in this century. As a sentiment, hoping that God looks kindly upon our head of state is fairly bland compared with talking about how the slaughter of those with impure blood will nourish the country. Clearly there are more controversies contained within the latter verses of God Save the King(/Queen) but we really only sing the first verse, so we can forget the unfortunate Scotland-bashing that occurs in an anthem to which Scots are supposed to have affinity.
Anyway, each to his/her own, and I certainly can't get too excited about whether the England manager sings along, whether he be English, Swedish, German, or indeed whether he be a she. |  | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 11:44 - Nov 21 with 1011 views | Radlett_blue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 11:14 - Nov 21 by HighgateBlue |
Whilst I don't agree with booing national anthems, I do think they should be confined to national sporting contests. The American habit of singing the anthem at events where there is no national team playing, just to remind everyone how much they're supposed to love the country that they're in, seems a little odd to me.
I'm happy to just treat a national anthem as a symbol. Like the three lions on the badge, we don't actually have any real affinity with lions to any greater extent than tigers or hippos, they are just a symbol. So I can take the words with a pinch of salt and just have a sing song at a national game. Where I totally agree with you is in citing various different nations and their oddities even-handedly, rather than the fairly well-worn trope of solely having a bash at /ours/, either because it's the English stealing the UK anthem, or because one hates the royals, or because the tune is said to be a dirge, or whatever. There are plenty of monarchies in Europe (which people are free to love, loathe or shrug at), and various of the anthems glorify the King (Belgium, Denmark just by way of example in the words, and Spain through the title, although it has no words).
The French one is a particularly good example of pretty awful sentiments. Although the French Revolution was extremely important to the development of French and European history, the words of the anthem are really quite divorced from what matters to French people in this century. As a sentiment, hoping that God looks kindly upon our head of state is fairly bland compared with talking about how the slaughter of those with impure blood will nourish the country. Clearly there are more controversies contained within the latter verses of God Save the King(/Queen) but we really only sing the first verse, so we can forget the unfortunate Scotland-bashing that occurs in an anthem to which Scots are supposed to have affinity.
Anyway, each to his/her own, and I certainly can't get too excited about whether the England manager sings along, whether he be English, Swedish, German, or indeed whether he be a she. |
Good points. While I detest "god Save the Queen"' keeping it is probably better than the inevitable furore that would result if replacing it were to be discussed. Like most issues these days, nothing will please everyone. | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:22 - Nov 21 with 969 views | itfcjoe |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 10:04 - Nov 21 by leitrimblue |
Whereabouts in Ireland were you Joe?
Also who were you with? Stag do or with the family?
I'd say if you were just out with the family you've been very unlucky. |
Dublin each time, twice it was with a couple of mates but we'd stayed outside the city centre and just stopped at a pub on the walk in (prob about 40 mins from Temple Bar part) into local boozers with a couple of bar flys in there for a quick pint on way in to town.
It was just a case of finish our drink and go - in one case that was finish our non alcoholic beer that they'd served us which we hadn't requested and had obviously been given to us to expedite our quick drink | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:42 - Nov 21 with 914 views | noggin |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:22 - Nov 21 by itfcjoe |
Dublin each time, twice it was with a couple of mates but we'd stayed outside the city centre and just stopped at a pub on the walk in (prob about 40 mins from Temple Bar part) into local boozers with a couple of bar flys in there for a quick pint on way in to town.
It was just a case of finish our drink and go - in one case that was finish our non alcoholic beer that they'd served us which we hadn't requested and had obviously been given to us to expedite our quick drink |
Did the locals make it clear that you weren't welcome specifically because you were English? | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:51 - Nov 21 with 891 views | leitrimblue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:22 - Nov 21 by itfcjoe |
Dublin each time, twice it was with a couple of mates but we'd stayed outside the city centre and just stopped at a pub on the walk in (prob about 40 mins from Temple Bar part) into local boozers with a couple of bar flys in there for a quick pint on way in to town.
It was just a case of finish our drink and go - in one case that was finish our non alcoholic beer that they'd served us which we hadn't requested and had obviously been given to us to expedite our quick drink |
Feck, sorry to hear that.
I don't know Dublin very well and don't find it particularly friendly compared to the rest of the country. If you come over again I would recommend anywhere except Dublin.
I would really recommend the West Coast, try Galway, Sligo Donegal. Would be surprised if you suffer any issues there. | | | |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 14:53 - Nov 21 with 810 views | Radlett_blue |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:51 - Nov 21 by leitrimblue |
Feck, sorry to hear that.
I don't know Dublin very well and don't find it particularly friendly compared to the rest of the country. If you come over again I would recommend anywhere except Dublin.
I would really recommend the West Coast, try Galway, Sligo Donegal. Would be surprised if you suffer any issues there. |
You can meet unfriendly locals in a pub anywhere, especially it it's one that doesn't usually attract tourists. Some can be very friendly - just the variety of life & not especially an Irish thing. | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 15:26 - Nov 21 with 778 views | itfcjoe |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 12:51 - Nov 21 by leitrimblue |
Feck, sorry to hear that.
I don't know Dublin very well and don't find it particularly friendly compared to the rest of the country. If you come over again I would recommend anywhere except Dublin.
I would really recommend the West Coast, try Galway, Sligo Donegal. Would be surprised if you suffer any issues there. |
Yeh, I guess at the age we were then and being young when Omagh bombing happened and GFA was signed at the time it never really struck me how hated the English can be to some (and with good reason). And had they questioned me on anything I'd have probably ended up offending them as had no idea of the history really as not exactly taught in schools!
I guess these guys didn't know my introduction to Ireland was supporting them in the '94 WC! | |
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| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:28 - Nov 21 with 705 views | MK1 |
| Booing any anthem is a scumbag move on 18:23 - Nov 19 by orfordbuoy |
pointing out how appalling praising terrorists is, I got 2 downvotes for the one post. On the Ukraine thread a Putin apologist has received 50% less downvotes for any post.
Criticising the praising of terrorists is worse than defending the barbarities of Putin according to TWTD? Explains why so many folk read TWTD, but never dare write. |
People won't post on here for fear of downvotes? What an incredibly soft place the world has become.
Post what you like, (within limits, obviously) if people don't like it, so what. Nothing to fear on here. | |
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