| Hirst out for 6 weeks 23:04 - Nov 17 with 19983 views | DinnernotTea |
According to some virgin on twitter. Said person won't disclose what the injury is but is being smug about it so I guess it's true. |  |
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| Def rumour. (n/t) on 18:26 - Nov 18 with 2253 views | Bloots |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:09 - Nov 18 by Mullet |
Heard about it middle of last week. Assume it’s only just filtering through - no indication it’s def info rather than rumoured |
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| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:30 - Nov 18 with 2220 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 17:05 - Nov 18 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I don't think we've got more injuries than other PL teams, but they do cause us more of a problem.
Unlike most other PL teams, we don't have any U21s outside of our named squad that we can call on.
Until we get Cat 1 academy status and our U21s are playing in PL2 that will remain the case. |
We certainly have. Sky Sport reported on players lost through injury, and total number of days out injured. We were 2nd most on both counts, and by some margin vs many clubs. | | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:41 - Nov 18 with 2156 views | SheffordBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:21 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
With KMs talents at devlopong players I'd have imagined the 7/10 being brought in. Al hamadi going out on loan and continuing to get that 9 out of 10 if we could get him.
A 7/10 could give us more than al hamadi can who's not just injured but take the injury away and he's still nothing like our other two strikers anyway so wouldn't be a great sub anyway.
Appreciate hindsight and all that and apologies for being vocal about this. But it's just so frustrating when you sit and see an issue and it's not resolved and then down the line you see that issue pop up in a horrid way when it could have been avoided. |
Looking at the timeline of events I think we'd have been daft to go for a 7 out of 10 type player earlier in the window.
It looked like we would get a key target in Broja over the line and therefore we wouldn't have wanted to go early on someone else. At that stage we already had Hirst and Delap in the building so holding on made sense.
We eventually 'get' our man with an agreed fee which would have committed us to more in fees than anyone else. On the 20th Aug I'm sure Ashton and McKenna felt relieved that they'd finally got a key target.
You could argue that when the foot injury showed up on the medical on the 21st Aug we should have switched targets (and maybe we did) but holding on until that point made sense to me and it's only hindsight that changes that.
The fact that we still went back in and tried to renegotiate the deal suggests the medical team felt confident he'd be back in action in the reported time frame and Ashton/McKenna were happy with Delap/Hirst in the interim.
Based off the information they'd have had available at the time I don't think there was much, if anything wrong with the decision making. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:50 - Nov 18 with 2110 views | Churchman |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:21 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
With KMs talents at devlopong players I'd have imagined the 7/10 being brought in. Al hamadi going out on loan and continuing to get that 9 out of 10 if we could get him.
A 7/10 could give us more than al hamadi can who's not just injured but take the injury away and he's still nothing like our other two strikers anyway so wouldn't be a great sub anyway.
Appreciate hindsight and all that and apologies for being vocal about this. But it's just so frustrating when you sit and see an issue and it's not resolved and then down the line you see that issue pop up in a horrid way when it could have been avoided. |
If it could have been avoided, don’t you think it would have been? You make decisions, go with them, you do the do and have an outcome one way or the other. I’m sure you are not suggesting it but your post reads to me like you think they were sitting on their rear ends on this. I seriously doubt they were.
Anyway, who’s to say AAH won’t turn out to be 7/10. Or better.
A question I would ask (and probably has been) is why our players are getting so many injuries. Obviously somebody nearly slicing their thumb off is one of those things as is Ogbene’s awful injury. But the muscle injuries - do they need to re look at pre season? Is our medical and rehab team the best it can be, what can we do better? If I was on the Board these are the sort of questions I’d be asking. Not to blame but to improve. |  | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:59 - Nov 18 with 2050 views | Pique |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 16:35 - Nov 18 by _clive_baker_ |
That's a real blow, certainly puts some onus on AAH to step up over the next few weeks. I don't see Broadhead as a viable option TBH, and I say that as someone who loves Broady, just don't think stylistically he would be anything close to appropriate for our #9 role. Delap, Szmodics (with Clarke coming in on the left), AAH probably more viable options. |
On Broadhead, I think it's more that he might have to come into the squad picture more because we could need Szmodics to cover the striker role. |  | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:00 - Nov 18 with 2041 views | Horsham |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:50 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
If it could have been avoided, don’t you think it would have been? You make decisions, go with them, you do the do and have an outcome one way or the other. I’m sure you are not suggesting it but your post reads to me like you think they were sitting on their rear ends on this. I seriously doubt they were.
Anyway, who’s to say AAH won’t turn out to be 7/10. Or better.
A question I would ask (and probably has been) is why our players are getting so many injuries. Obviously somebody nearly slicing their thumb off is one of those things as is Ogbene’s awful injury. But the muscle injuries - do they need to re look at pre season? Is our medical and rehab team the best it can be, what can we do better? If I was on the Board these are the sort of questions I’d be asking. Not to blame but to improve. |
Maybe the injuries are a factor of how as a team we play right on the edge of physical limits. Think I’ve heard KM talk about our players running more than any other club. |  | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:01 - Nov 18 with 2026 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:50 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
If it could have been avoided, don’t you think it would have been? You make decisions, go with them, you do the do and have an outcome one way or the other. I’m sure you are not suggesting it but your post reads to me like you think they were sitting on their rear ends on this. I seriously doubt they were.
Anyway, who’s to say AAH won’t turn out to be 7/10. Or better.
A question I would ask (and probably has been) is why our players are getting so many injuries. Obviously somebody nearly slicing their thumb off is one of those things as is Ogbene’s awful injury. But the muscle injuries - do they need to re look at pre season? Is our medical and rehab team the best it can be, what can we do better? If I was on the Board these are the sort of questions I’d be asking. Not to blame but to improve. |
Thing Is like you said earlier they will make mistakes. Could they have avoided it yes. But they haven't. It just has to go down as a mistake.
On your Injury query. I'm caught in two minds here.
1st. Simply players not used to the intense level of the prem. After all we've signed most from the champ so that's a big jump.
2nd. Which I hope is wrong and not linked is andy rolls had a bad rep at arsenal for injuries, now we've not had a massively bad issue with that. But now we are at the level he was involved in.. is he and his methods a problem? |  |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:06 - Nov 18 with 2009 views | Horsham |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:01 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Thing Is like you said earlier they will make mistakes. Could they have avoided it yes. But they haven't. It just has to go down as a mistake.
On your Injury query. I'm caught in two minds here.
1st. Simply players not used to the intense level of the prem. After all we've signed most from the champ so that's a big jump.
2nd. Which I hope is wrong and not linked is andy rolls had a bad rep at arsenal for injuries, now we've not had a massively bad issue with that. But now we are at the level he was involved in.. is he and his methods a problem? |
We’ve had injuries sure, but also on numerous occasions gained points (admittedly in the championship)when simply oppositions have run out of steam and our players have kept going. There’s a strong argument that we’ve done a lot right with the fitness of the squad. | | | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:06 - Nov 18 with 2000 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:41 - Nov 18 by SheffordBlue |
Looking at the timeline of events I think we'd have been daft to go for a 7 out of 10 type player earlier in the window.
It looked like we would get a key target in Broja over the line and therefore we wouldn't have wanted to go early on someone else. At that stage we already had Hirst and Delap in the building so holding on made sense.
We eventually 'get' our man with an agreed fee which would have committed us to more in fees than anyone else. On the 20th Aug I'm sure Ashton and McKenna felt relieved that they'd finally got a key target.
You could argue that when the foot injury showed up on the medical on the 21st Aug we should have switched targets (and maybe we did) but holding on until that point made sense to me and it's only hindsight that changes that.
The fact that we still went back in and tried to renegotiate the deal suggests the medical team felt confident he'd be back in action in the reported time frame and Ashton/McKenna were happy with Delap/Hirst in the interim.
Based off the information they'd have had available at the time I don't think there was much, if anything wrong with the decision making. |
Tbh I'm quite often a what if type so for me I'd have expected them to appreciate the injury broja had at the time of discussions knowing he wasn't available for months and realising we may end up with just delap available.
Broja may have been a longer plan signing but that wouldn't have helped us in pretty much half of the season.
I'm just surprised they felt it was sensible to go into the prem season with only delap as a fit striker. Signing broja wouldn't have changed that. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:14 - Nov 18 with 1961 views | SheffordBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:06 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh I'm quite often a what if type so for me I'd have expected them to appreciate the injury broja had at the time of discussions knowing he wasn't available for months and realising we may end up with just delap available.
Broja may have been a longer plan signing but that wouldn't have helped us in pretty much half of the season.
I'm just surprised they felt it was sensible to go into the prem season with only delap as a fit striker. Signing broja wouldn't have changed that. |
They only became aware of that on the 21st August though (and if you believe Chelsea they weren't aware of the foot injury at that stage either). Up until the medical they thought they'd be going into the season with a fit Delap and a fit Broja with Hirst coming back fairly quickly after that.
Of what took place after that all we really seem to know is that we had a bid for Lath in. I'd be surprised if that was the only approach we made after that point but it didn't leave a lot of time to sort something out. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:20 - Nov 18 with 1914 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:14 - Nov 18 by SheffordBlue |
They only became aware of that on the 21st August though (and if you believe Chelsea they weren't aware of the foot injury at that stage either). Up until the medical they thought they'd be going into the season with a fit Delap and a fit Broja with Hirst coming back fairly quickly after that.
Of what took place after that all we really seem to know is that we had a bid for Lath in. I'd be surprised if that was the only approach we made after that point but it didn't leave a lot of time to sort something out. |
No. He was injured on tour we knew that.
We then became aware of another issue during negotiations. Broja was never going to be available for the start of season. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:29 - Nov 18 with 1883 views | SheffordBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:20 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
No. He was injured on tour we knew that.
We then became aware of another issue during negotiations. Broja was never going to be available for the start of season. |
Not sure that's accurate. He played for them during their preseason tour and then went to train with their loan group when he got back as he was deemed surplus to requirements. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:40 - Nov 18 with 1811 views | Churchman |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:00 - Nov 18 by Horsham |
Maybe the injuries are a factor of how as a team we play right on the edge of physical limits. Think I’ve heard KM talk about our players running more than any other club. |
With zero expertise I share you view. Just a feeling | | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:56 - Nov 18 with 1716 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 18:21 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
With KMs talents at devlopong players I'd have imagined the 7/10 being brought in. Al hamadi going out on loan and continuing to get that 9 out of 10 if we could get him.
A 7/10 could give us more than al hamadi can who's not just injured but take the injury away and he's still nothing like our other two strikers anyway so wouldn't be a great sub anyway.
Appreciate hindsight and all that and apologies for being vocal about this. But it's just so frustrating when you sit and see an issue and it's not resolved and then down the line you see that issue pop up in a horrid way when it could have been avoided. |
Stick to running a non league club and playing football manager! I haven’t been here in a while but some people never change in their ways that they think they know better and are able to do the job of a high quality CEO & Premier League manager! You really are trolling I assume! |  |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:58 - Nov 18 with 1712 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:29 - Nov 18 by SheffordBlue |
Not sure that's accurate. He played for them during their preseason tour and then went to train with their loan group when he got back as he was deemed surplus to requirements. |
No it is accurate. He was injured whilst on tour. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:02 - Nov 18 with 1703 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 17:56 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Exactly why I said out of 100000 players.
It's not for fans to say how many available or who they are or we should have got. That's not our job and Ashton and his team a extremely highly paid to do that role.
I don't think it's unfair to say they fked up. Hopefully KM will use his managerial talents to find a way of making things work once delap goes off. But it's a sht time to have a hirst injury with some big games coming up. |
Maybe you could drop Ashton an email, he might not have considered it. Think you could be on to something. |  | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:02 - Nov 18 with 1691 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:56 - Nov 18 by Ely_Blue |
Stick to running a non league club and playing football manager! I haven’t been here in a while but some people never change in their ways that they think they know better and are able to do the job of a high quality CEO & Premier League manager! You really are trolling I assume! |
Haven't had anything to do with frimley for 4 years thanks.
No one on this thread has said they are able to do the job. I have however shown my annoyance of the big mistake they imo made.
You are right tho. Some people don't change in their ways. And you taking personal shots instead of just discussing the point is an example. So you can pop on the ignore list as I have no wish to take threads into a needless direction. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:05 - Nov 18 with 1670 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:02 - Nov 18 by _clive_baker_ |
Maybe you could drop Ashton an email, he might not have considered it. Think you could be on to something. |
No need. Just sharing my view on his failing. If I'm expected to applaud what he does I'm entitled to be critical when he fails. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:06 - Nov 18 with 1657 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:40 - Nov 18 by Churchman |
With zero expertise I share you view. Just a feeling |
Tbf we did run 81km compared to spurs 72 or something in the first half that sunday [Post edited 18 Nov 2024 20:09]
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:06 - Nov 18 with 1653 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:02 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Haven't had anything to do with frimley for 4 years thanks.
No one on this thread has said they are able to do the job. I have however shown my annoyance of the big mistake they imo made.
You are right tho. Some people don't change in their ways. And you taking personal shots instead of just discussing the point is an example. So you can pop on the ignore list as I have no wish to take threads into a needless direction. |
Awww sweetie don’t be like that because someone criticised your opinion! Have you been to PR during that 4 year period? | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:08 - Nov 18 with 1638 views | Ely_Blue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:06 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbf we did run 81km compared to spurs 72 or something in the first half that sunday [Post edited 18 Nov 2024 20:09]
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Must have got that from watching the MOTD highlights! The only way you watch us! | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:09 - Nov 18 with 1637 views | Parky |
Burgess up top for the last 20 when Delap is knackered then. | | | |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:16 - Nov 18 with 1595 views | SheffordBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 19:58 - Nov 18 by FrimleyBlue |
No it is accurate. He was injured whilst on tour. |
Have you got a reference for that - there's no mention in any of the articles around the deal to suggest this - including Phil's "Broja Expected for Medical" one. I'd have thought that if there was an existing injury at that time that it would have been mentioned in one of the media reports. | |
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:18 - Nov 18 with 1568 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:16 - Nov 18 by SheffordBlue |
Have you got a reference for that - there's no mention in any of the articles around the deal to suggest this - including Phil's "Broja Expected for Medical" one. I'd have thought that if there was an existing injury at that time that it would have been mentioned in one of the media reports. |
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cx2x8g48n42o
Broja needs a period of rehabilitation to work on a foot injury sustained in training while on the pre-season tour of the United States [Post edited 18 Nov 2024 20:19]
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| Hirst out for 6 weeks on 20:21 - Nov 18 with 1548 views | SheffordBlue |
That just suggests the injury was identified during the medical - not that we knew about it going into the medical. Pretty sure that came as a surprise to everyone - including Chelsea who had him training with the loan squad. | |
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