| Farmers' protests in London today... 13:31 - Dec 11 with 4796 views | VanSaParody |
Any tractor boys gone?
Tell me, has Citizen Khan waived the Congestion Charge? |  | | |  |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:53 - Dec 11 with 1641 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:47 - Dec 11 by OldFart71 |
There must come a day when shovelling all the muck on to the Tories stops. Labours policies or lack of haven't exactly seen their citizens/voters jumping with glee. There are many who believe that what they are trying to do won't work. They backed themselves into a corner by not reversing the N.I. cuts made by the Tories for working people. Whilst pensions are allegedly paid via N.I. contributions the Tories were wrong to cut N.I. twice whilst all and sundry were complaining that due to our ageing population the Triple Lock and pensions in general are unsustainable. The country as a whole needs a reset as if it wasn't for the absurd costs of feeding, heating and water so that bosses of these companies can continue to gorge themselves on massive wages and bonuses and paying shareholders millions whilst not doing the things they are supposed to do there would be no need for the population to require the huge sums of money just to survive. Also if supermarkets and the like didn't screw farmers down so much with the poor money they give them for their produce and it doesn't follow that if they paid a fair price the cost of food would increase, it would just mean that supermarkets profits would fall, bosses wouldn't get such massive wages and Private Equity wouldn't be taking them over, cutting jobs, putting up prices and giving customers a worse service. |
You should start a petition to get them out of office. That'll show 'em. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:56 - Dec 11 with 1635 views | BlueBadger |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:50 - Dec 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Bloody A14 go slow Laggers.....bastards inconveniencing hard working folk like me. |
Farmers' protests in London today... by BlueBadger 11 Dec 2024 13:40Presumably they're all going to get 5 stretches for deliberately obstructing the public highways?
Fair play to them though, Jeremy Clarkson's right to dodge tax is a critical issue.
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:07 - Dec 11 with 1583 views | OldFart71 |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:43 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
You can barely measure Labours term in months let alone years. When do you propose this point comes exactly? |
Although I admit I vote Tory but am the first also to admit that in 14 years they basically messed up everything they touched. They were culpable of lying, giving mates contracts and wasting billions in the process. They deserved to lose their status as the Government of the day. Having said that Labour have blundered their way in. Not being completely truthful about what they were going to do once in power. They continually point to everything they introduce which costs individuals and business more money that it was the Tories fault. That is probably true but they were aware prior to taking office about the state of the UK finances as they had full access to the figures, so they could have said we will have to do this and that to balance the books. They did nothing of the sort. Just backslapping and whooping it up due to getting into power. But of course they aren't going to tell pensioners we are going to cut your winter fuel payment, that businesses will be hit with a broadside of the minimum wage going up by more than inflation and that N.I. would increase by 1.2% and that it would need paying at a much lower income. That would have meant many would not have voted for them or alternatively we would have actually had a Government that for once told the truth. |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:19 - Dec 11 with 1560 views | Mullet |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:07 - Dec 11 by OldFart71 |
Although I admit I vote Tory but am the first also to admit that in 14 years they basically messed up everything they touched. They were culpable of lying, giving mates contracts and wasting billions in the process. They deserved to lose their status as the Government of the day. Having said that Labour have blundered their way in. Not being completely truthful about what they were going to do once in power. They continually point to everything they introduce which costs individuals and business more money that it was the Tories fault. That is probably true but they were aware prior to taking office about the state of the UK finances as they had full access to the figures, so they could have said we will have to do this and that to balance the books. They did nothing of the sort. Just backslapping and whooping it up due to getting into power. But of course they aren't going to tell pensioners we are going to cut your winter fuel payment, that businesses will be hit with a broadside of the minimum wage going up by more than inflation and that N.I. would increase by 1.2% and that it would need paying at a much lower income. That would have meant many would not have voted for them or alternatively we would have actually had a Government that for once told the truth. |
Given you demonstrate so well here that the right wing own the media in this country, and why Labour are damned by the hypocrisy of your position.
There’s been lots of fight win misinformation about it Labour lying (something they were silent on previously) but no discussion of nuance or people being seduced by sound bites. Labour made it really clear the Tories had lied and left even bigger financial problems as they came into power.
You seem to be arguing against the measures which are safeguarding the lowest paid and most vulnerable too. Which is it? |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:23 - Dec 11 with 1554 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:07 - Dec 11 by OldFart71 |
Although I admit I vote Tory but am the first also to admit that in 14 years they basically messed up everything they touched. They were culpable of lying, giving mates contracts and wasting billions in the process. They deserved to lose their status as the Government of the day. Having said that Labour have blundered their way in. Not being completely truthful about what they were going to do once in power. They continually point to everything they introduce which costs individuals and business more money that it was the Tories fault. That is probably true but they were aware prior to taking office about the state of the UK finances as they had full access to the figures, so they could have said we will have to do this and that to balance the books. They did nothing of the sort. Just backslapping and whooping it up due to getting into power. But of course they aren't going to tell pensioners we are going to cut your winter fuel payment, that businesses will be hit with a broadside of the minimum wage going up by more than inflation and that N.I. would increase by 1.2% and that it would need paying at a much lower income. That would have meant many would not have voted for them or alternatively we would have actually had a Government that for once told the truth. |
" ... we would have actually had a Government that for once told the truth."
That'll be the day
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:28 - Dec 11 with 1544 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:55 - Dec 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was late for a funeral and hospital appointment today so feck'em. |
Possibly down to failure to organise things in logical order? | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:45 - Dec 11 with 1523 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 15:22 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
The biggest issue are loudest voices like Clarkson and Lowe who are pretend farmers, acting as land barons. Both in terms of lying and being part of a class who have driven up prices. Supermarkets and Brexit deserve far more ire from farmers and the public alike.
While I don’t disagree that the government could do that, the opportunity for more loopholes and exploitation from those same people then makes the moves redundant. Thats the real issue here, so many things need fixing and the system is so stacked against us all, not in the 1% the far right have looked after.
If the farming community were smarter as a collective they’d go after their fake friends in fresh tweed. |
Are farming and food production on our schools' national curriculum? If not, they really need to be - one thing highlighted by the IHT brou-haha/debates is the shocking ignorance shown by so many adults about the basics of this sector. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 04:51 - Dec 12 with 1406 views | Benters |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
...and another thing - surely they can't be all that hard pressed if they can afford to take weekday off to protest? Sanctimonious Hoorays, all back from their Gap Yahs turning out as a rentamob, disrupting hardworking folk, innit. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 13:56]
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That’s great from a man who lives in the countryside. |  |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 07:38 - Dec 12 with 1345 views | Zapers |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 04:51 - Dec 12 by Benters |
That’s great from a man who lives in the countryside. |
Ignore him, he remains clueless! | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 09:25 - Dec 12 with 1259 views | Ryorry |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 04:51 - Dec 12 by Benters |
That’s great from a man who lives in the countryside. |
Think you’ve been whooshed there. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 09:50 - Dec 12 with 1227 views | Churchman |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:19 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
Given you demonstrate so well here that the right wing own the media in this country, and why Labour are damned by the hypocrisy of your position.
There’s been lots of fight win misinformation about it Labour lying (something they were silent on previously) but no discussion of nuance or people being seduced by sound bites. Labour made it really clear the Tories had lied and left even bigger financial problems as they came into power.
You seem to be arguing against the measures which are safeguarding the lowest paid and most vulnerable too. Which is it? |
Sorry Mullet, Labour knew fully what the finances of this country were. All incoming governments do. They lied. I know this from people who work there and saw it first hand. That part of the process hasn’t changed over the decades. Governments trot out that lie because they know nobody can refute it other than a discredited govt. Dead eyes Osborne did it. So did Brown before him.
That does not detract or excuse from the mess the tories made of everything they touched and the immoral hollowing out of our public services and infrastructure. Bunch of criminals..
Labour? As my sister who is left of Corbyn put it, it was like they had done no preparation for government because they never actually believed they’d get in. |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 10:56 - Dec 12 with 1142 views | Zapers |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 09:50 - Dec 12 by Churchman |
Sorry Mullet, Labour knew fully what the finances of this country were. All incoming governments do. They lied. I know this from people who work there and saw it first hand. That part of the process hasn’t changed over the decades. Governments trot out that lie because they know nobody can refute it other than a discredited govt. Dead eyes Osborne did it. So did Brown before him.
That does not detract or excuse from the mess the tories made of everything they touched and the immoral hollowing out of our public services and infrastructure. Bunch of criminals..
Labour? As my sister who is left of Corbyn put it, it was like they had done no preparation for government because they never actually believed they’d get in. |
I think you have summarised events perfectly, of course labour new what mess they were inheriting, but they used this to their advantage regarding “the black hole”
Frankly anyone who thinks otherwise is gullible, but that’s what labour has been counting on. | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 11:24 - Dec 12 with 1126 views | Churchman |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 10:56 - Dec 12 by Zapers |
I think you have summarised events perfectly, of course labour new what mess they were inheriting, but they used this to their advantage regarding “the black hole”
Frankly anyone who thinks otherwise is gullible, but that’s what labour has been counting on. |
The thing is Zapers, the government know that under Civil Service Code, stuff like this cannot be refuted by anyone but the outgoing government so it’s an easy hit. Same as putting in the boot on the CS. They know the latter are muzzled.
The politicians can do as they please knowing that little or none of their behaviour will get out in the public domain. It doesn't matter whether it’s personally abusing staff or squabbling like four year olds over the best ministerial cars (somebody I worked with managed them during shiny, dodgy Cameron’s time), it stays ‘in house’.
I haven’t given up on Starmer’s mob yet. It’s early days and they did inherit the mother of all messes. Surely they cannot be worse than the last shower, but it’s not been the best of starts.
Not all politicians are bad btw. It’s just that with the tories the weak minded incompetent cretins tended to get promoted because they offered no threat to the cabal at the top of the muck heap. I hope it’s different with Labour. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 13:06]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 11:40 - Dec 12 with 1096 views | Swansea_Blue |
She looks like a wrong’un to me. You only see super villains wear those sorts of glasses.
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 11:49 - Dec 12 with 1076 views | EdwardStone |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 11:24 - Dec 12 by Churchman |
The thing is Zapers, the government know that under Civil Service Code, stuff like this cannot be refuted by anyone but the outgoing government so it’s an easy hit. Same as putting in the boot on the CS. They know the latter are muzzled.
The politicians can do as they please knowing that little or none of their behaviour will get out in the public domain. It doesn't matter whether it’s personally abusing staff or squabbling like four year olds over the best ministerial cars (somebody I worked with managed them during shiny, dodgy Cameron’s time), it stays ‘in house’.
I haven’t given up on Starmer’s mob yet. It’s early days and they did inherit the mother of all messes. Surely they cannot be worse than the last shower, but it’s not been the best of starts.
Not all politicians are bad btw. It’s just that with the tories the weak minded incompetent cretins tended to get promoted because they offered no threat to the cabal at the top of the muck heap. I hope it’s different with Labour. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 13:06]
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Interesting post....
I like to think that people join the Labour party with a greater sense of purpose and integrity than most other parties.... and then enter HoC with a burning passion to address the obvious wrongs in society
Not to suggest that members of other political parties don't have a moral compass that guides them.... just Labour have it more than most
But, as in football, you need more than desire....you need ability, a lot of ability.
Sadly, this current Govt are lamentably poor at politics.... we can all see that the country is a total shambles after 14 years of atrocious mis-rule, but we are sadly missing a sense of hope, optimism and purpose that has, in the past, elevated the mood and given a feeling that better times are ahead.... 1945/1997
There is more to being a concert pianist than owning a grand piano [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 13:17]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 12:15 - Dec 12 with 1048 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 19:19 - Dec 11 by Mullet |
Given you demonstrate so well here that the right wing own the media in this country, and why Labour are damned by the hypocrisy of your position.
There’s been lots of fight win misinformation about it Labour lying (something they were silent on previously) but no discussion of nuance or people being seduced by sound bites. Labour made it really clear the Tories had lied and left even bigger financial problems as they came into power.
You seem to be arguing against the measures which are safeguarding the lowest paid and most vulnerable too. Which is it? |
I don’t think OldFart has said a lot wrong there, imo. Labours did back themselves into a corner on NI, and do seem to lack any vision (or at best can’t communicate what their vision is). They’ve not started as badly as some are making out, but a lot of OldFart’s points ring true to me. And I’m certainly not a slave to the rw media. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:01 - Dec 12 with 985 views | soupytwist |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 12:15 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t think OldFart has said a lot wrong there, imo. Labours did back themselves into a corner on NI, and do seem to lack any vision (or at best can’t communicate what their vision is). They’ve not started as badly as some are making out, but a lot of OldFart’s points ring true to me. And I’m certainly not a slave to the rw media. |
They probably thought they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they'd said that they were going to reverse the employee NI cuts the headlines would have been all about tax rises on working people with no analysis of whether the cuts were themselves a good idea in the first place.
I wish that they had been bold enough to say that reversing those NI cuts was the right thing to do but I can kind of understand why they weren't. |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:33 - Dec 12 with 949 views | Churchman |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:01 - Dec 12 by soupytwist |
They probably thought they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they'd said that they were going to reverse the employee NI cuts the headlines would have been all about tax rises on working people with no analysis of whether the cuts were themselves a good idea in the first place.
I wish that they had been bold enough to say that reversing those NI cuts was the right thing to do but I can kind of understand why they weren't. |
Given they’d lied through their teeth about ‘not seeing the books’, they actually had the perfect excuse to say ‘sorry, thanks to the tories hiding debt we are having to rethink and to find the money the only fair way is income tax rises’. Those who earn more, pay more. Oh and we are going to clamp down on tax dodging, mainly by the wealthy, with more tax inspectors and changing the rules etc.
Everyone knew the mess the tories had created through so many ways and they’d still have won a landslide victory, even if they’d have slapped a few pence on Income Tax and saved the mess they got into with NI, Winter Fuel allowance.
Lumping on NI on the basis that employers would pay for it through reducing their profits (Reeves’ justification) was about as naive or stupid as you can get. Why on earth would an employer do that when they could increase prices, reduce hours, lay off staff?
Back to farmers, targeting those they don’t think vote for them is hardly doing the right thing either. Neither is promoting bad news the whole time on the basis of in a years time promoting good news (if there is any) and claiming the credit.
Stupid of me, but I just wish politicians would do the right thing sometimes and be honest, whether it’s going on the lash during lockdown or grabbing Taylor Swift tickets. [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 13:55]
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:45 - Dec 12 with 938 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 11:49 - Dec 12 by EdwardStone |
Interesting post....
I like to think that people join the Labour party with a greater sense of purpose and integrity than most other parties.... and then enter HoC with a burning passion to address the obvious wrongs in society
Not to suggest that members of other political parties don't have a moral compass that guides them.... just Labour have it more than most
But, as in football, you need more than desire....you need ability, a lot of ability.
Sadly, this current Govt are lamentably poor at politics.... we can all see that the country is a total shambles after 14 years of atrocious mis-rule, but we are sadly missing a sense of hope, optimism and purpose that has, in the past, elevated the mood and given a feeling that better times are ahead.... 1945/1997
There is more to being a concert pianist than owning a grand piano [Post edited 12 Dec 2024 13:17]
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There a significant difference between (most of) the PLP and the membership though - many MPs have little respect for members or their views. As we saw in the build-up to the last election, CLP selection processes were often effectively rigged or simply done away with so that a candidate with the right (pardon the pun) type of views could be installed.
I think one issue is that the Labour right don't really have a strong ideology – their main focus in the last few years has been attacking people on the left (rather than the Tories). This means once in power they don't have a clear direction, whereas under thwe previous leadership I think there was a very clear sense of purpose of what they would do if they won a general election. |  | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:16 - Dec 12 with 908 views | mellowblue |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 13:51 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
...and another thing - surely they can't be all that hard pressed if they can afford to take weekday off to protest? Sanctimonious Hoorays, all back from their Gap Yahs turning out as a rentamob, disrupting hardworking folk, innit. [Post edited 11 Dec 2024 13:56]
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Pathetic, everyone knows there is plenty of down time in Winter time for cereal farmers, balance by 12-16 hour days in the summer at critical times. | | | |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:23 - Dec 12 with 824 views | Benters |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 14:16 - Dec 12 by mellowblue |
Pathetic, everyone knows there is plenty of down time in Winter time for cereal farmers, balance by 12-16 hour days in the summer at critical times. |
They Harvest near enough right round the clock in Benters,If they need to get it in and the crops. | |
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| Farmers' protests in London today... on 17:17 - Dec 12 with 774 views | jontysnut |
| Farmers' protests in London today... on 16:23 - Dec 12 by Benters |
They Harvest near enough right round the clock in Benters,If they need to get it in and the crops. |
Not the only people who work long shifts.
Tory farmers are all for free markets until the market, which in terms of food, is determined by supermarkets. Supermarket buyers probably have more influence than the government over farming. We have been used to relatively cheap, crap food and governments don't want to rock that boat. Farmer Farage would be better off parking his squeaky clean Hunter wellingtons outside of ASDA than Whitehall. |  | | |
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