| Absolutely beautiful 17:09 - Dec 14 with 3987 views | FrimleyBlue |
Kept myself off here to keep away from emotional posting.
Didn't see that winner coming but maybe they're the best ones.
Missed the opening half due to Internet issues but watched the whole of the 2nd.
Wasn't the best last 25.. I felt on 65 the gaps were there for us to hurt but our subs didn't make the most of those gaps it seemed. Morsy was blown but we seem stuck on having to take cajuste off which killed us a bit as he was brilliant and really direct.
Taylor bravo. Still think I'd like to see him in that 10 as I dint feel it works for him being deep but he did one driving g run which was excellent.
I did say before the game the right side worried me and I personally believe it was bad as I thought it would be. Clarke I dunno what he was told to do but the gaps he left were frightening and burns just doesn't have the fitness to be effective this season yet. The one pppruntky he had to put it on place for delap just needed calmly slotting along the line.
Chappers bravo. Loved chappers. Same with hutch.
Clarke J. Lovely corner, not quite sure what we call his role as he was everywhere.
Al hamadi definitely looking fitter which is great to see.
Oshea and Burgess were rocks again. Burgess has developed so much its crazy. Many times he was under the cosh but he dealt with adversity with ease.
Muric. Funny buger isn't he. He will be a great keeper I think we just need to stick with him and help him out a bit behind the scenes. Not the first goal he's conceded near post. I do wish he would throw it quicker sometimes too.
All in all an important win. You can see the glaring gaps in quality in our side. January is massive.
We have a chance but we need a good 4/5 quality signings.. is that possible?
I think for me. H Clarke at rb is a no no. Same as burns. Imo let's thank them for being part of the promotions but there are levels to this game.
Morsy. Captain fantastic yes but hes human he does need subbing. When he can't control midfield we lost it a bit as we saw today.
Coyb. Absolutely chuffed. Needed that win. |  |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 20:25 - Dec 14 with 893 views | NeedhamChris |
| Absolutely beautiful on 19:54 - Dec 14 by Skip_Intro |
'I only saw half the game but my opinion is so important I thought I'd post it on here anyway...'
Have a day off you clown |
Better to be a clown than a bully. |  |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 06:46 - Dec 15 with 772 views | smithy69 |
| Absolutely beautiful on 17:42 - Dec 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Had Burns put in a decent cross to Delap, rather than hitting it too hard and slightly too high we would have been 2-0 up.
Burns seems to have lost any pace he had imo. `And I saw the whole game other than the last 10 seconds as my feed went down just as Clarke was about to take the corner. |
In fairness Delap should have put his head on it | | | |
| Absolutely beautiful on 06:56 - Dec 15 with 768 views | Benters |
| Absolutely beautiful on 18:43 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm not flailing around just baffled why you're arguing for the sake of arguing. |
Flash reminds me of a small thorn I have stuck in the side of one of my fingers,I forget it’s there then all of a sudden I knock it on something and it’s a pain.
In other words annoying. |  |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:01 - Dec 15 with 759 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 06:56 - Dec 15 by Benters |
Flash reminds me of a small thorn I have stuck in the side of one of my fingers,I forget it’s there then all of a sudden I knock it on something and it’s a pain.
In other words annoying. |
That's because you and Frimmers both post nonsense and then don't like it when I point out that it's nonsense. |  |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:12 - Dec 15 with 746 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 18:24 - Dec 14 by BarcaBlue |
That's very harsh on the Burns cross, it needed a good weight to beat the keeper and incoming defender. It was a tad high but in the perfect location for Delap's run. Fair few goals are bundled in at the far post from a similar delivery. I agree Burns does appear to have lost a bit of pace or everyone around him have got quicker.
Harry Clarke was ok and is what he is. Not a Premier level defender but apart from the missed header he was ok. |
Having watched it back a couple of times, I was being harsh on Burns regarding the cross. |  |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:25 - Dec 15 with 731 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:12 - Dec 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Having watched it back a couple of times, I was being harsh on Burns regarding the cross. |
Have you also seen Burns' excellent shot that the keeper saved? | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:28 - Dec 15 with 729 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:25 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you also seen Burns' excellent shot that the keeper saved? |
I saw it at the time. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:33 - Dec 15 with 725 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:28 - Dec 15 by GlasgowBlue |
I saw it at the time. |
I just wondered as you seemed to be backing up Frimmers' position on Burns. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:46 - Dec 15 with 703 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:33 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I just wondered as you seemed to be backing up Frimmers' position on Burns. |
Yeah I agree with Frimmers that Burns has been a massive part of our success here but isn’t a Premier League player. No shame in that.
If Ogbene was fit he'd be starting ahead of Burns. If Axel was fit and a Johnson fully fit then our right hand side would be Axel at the back with Johnson in Burns position.
If Szmodics wasn’t ill then Omari would have started on the right yesterday. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:54 - Dec 15 with 692 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:46 - Dec 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah I agree with Frimmers that Burns has been a massive part of our success here but isn’t a Premier League player. No shame in that.
If Ogbene was fit he'd be starting ahead of Burns. If Axel was fit and a Johnson fully fit then our right hand side would be Axel at the back with Johnson in Burns position.
If Szmodics wasn’t ill then Omari would have started on the right yesterday. |
I've said they're back ups rather than first choice, but I don't agree... particularly as it was based on today's performance... that we should be looking to get rid.
You've admitted that you got it wrong with Burns' perfectly decent cross, I've mentioned that he also had a decent shot saved, so seems to be an odd time (particularly as Frimmers only saw half the game) to be saying neither are Prem players and we should get rid of them.
Obviously if we can get better in Jan then fine, but you could say that about any player. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 07:56 - Dec 15 with 687 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:33 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I just wondered as you seemed to be backing up Frimmers' position on Burns. |
Flash. I saw last night you were quick to comment on the negatives of J Clarkes cameo. But didn't comment on the good aspects. Yet you're bringing up two positives in this thread but not acknowledging the negatives. I've seen the game in full now yet I still don't see what you feel I missed yesterday. Many loose passes. Chances to take players on not taken. Losing runners etc etc.
There's no slight at all at not being prem quality, not everyone can be. I know your keen to make me come across as negative as possible i get that. But be honest with yourself at least. If we are to stay up. Our right hand side can not have those two in it. Again that's not a slight in either it's literally just natural team progression. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:06 - Dec 15 with 657 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:56 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash. I saw last night you were quick to comment on the negatives of J Clarkes cameo. But didn't comment on the good aspects. Yet you're bringing up two positives in this thread but not acknowledging the negatives. I've seen the game in full now yet I still don't see what you feel I missed yesterday. Many loose passes. Chances to take players on not taken. Losing runners etc etc.
There's no slight at all at not being prem quality, not everyone can be. I know your keen to make me come across as negative as possible i get that. But be honest with yourself at least. If we are to stay up. Our right hand side can not have those two in it. Again that's not a slight in either it's literally just natural team progression. |
Frimmers: "last night you were quick to comment on the negatives of J Clarkes cameo. But didn't comment on the good aspects."
Me, last night: "Great corner".
I'm not keen to make you come across as negative as possible, you do that all by yourself.
We won a game, away, and then you come on here saying two of our players aren't up to it and we should get rid of them. One, who I commented to a mate was having a decent half (H Clarke), and another who put in a great cross which should've been scored, and had a decent shot himself saved by the keeper.
So forgive me, but in my opinion that's a weird time to be saying get rid of those players. Especially when you didn't even see the first half. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:11 - Dec 15 with 637 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 07:54 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've said they're back ups rather than first choice, but I don't agree... particularly as it was based on today's performance... that we should be looking to get rid.
You've admitted that you got it wrong with Burns' perfectly decent cross, I've mentioned that he also had a decent shot saved, so seems to be an odd time (particularly as Frimmers only saw half the game) to be saying neither are Prem players and we should get rid of them.
Obviously if we can get better in Jan then fine, but you could say that about any player. |
I didn’t say we need to get rid. I didn’t even mention Harry Clarke.
My opinion is that Burns isn’t a Premier League player. It’s an opinion. Really doesn’t need a tennis match of replies. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:14 - Dec 15 with 633 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:06 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Frimmers: "last night you were quick to comment on the negatives of J Clarkes cameo. But didn't comment on the good aspects."
Me, last night: "Great corner".
I'm not keen to make you come across as negative as possible, you do that all by yourself.
We won a game, away, and then you come on here saying two of our players aren't up to it and we should get rid of them. One, who I commented to a mate was having a decent half (H Clarke), and another who put in a great cross which should've been scored, and had a decent shot himself saved by the keeper.
So forgive me, but in my opinion that's a weird time to be saying get rid of those players. Especially when you didn't even see the first half. |
Lol. Straw man.
The thread was about a corner. You couldn't really say bad corner when it's on taylors head. Lol.
No. We won a game away and I came on a discussed many players in my OP in mostly a positive light actually. But you're keen to discuss the negatives then moan that I mentioned them.
You're praising two pieces of action. Not being funny flash but in 80 minutes you should be able to put in a decent cross and when having a free shot at goal, get it on target. If that's all you've got which tbf that's all there is , then you're backing up my thoughts despite you really not wanting to.
Twice now v palace and v wolves. That right hand side combo didn't do enough. Again not a slight. It just isn't prem quality. They've both had individual cameos without the other and still neither have shown that they can either hurt sides for 80 minutes or shown they can defend well enough for 80 odd minutes.
I accept at the moment our back up options are minimal. But with a window coming up that right hand side needs sorting if we are to have a hope of staying up. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:29 - Dec 15 with 615 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:11 - Dec 15 by GlasgowBlue |
I didn’t say we need to get rid. I didn’t even mention Harry Clarke.
My opinion is that Burns isn’t a Premier League player. It’s an opinion. Really doesn’t need a tennis match of replies. |
I didn't say you did, I was merely referring to you backing up Frimmers who is suggesting get rid.
You're entitled to your opinion, I took umbrage at Frimmers' opinion on both players in the context of a game he'd only seen half of.
It's not a tennis match, it's a football discussion. No harm done. And it's only "a tennis match of replies" because we're both responding. Otherwise it'd just be me doing a squash practice of replies. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:37 - Dec 15 with 606 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:14 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Lol. Straw man.
The thread was about a corner. You couldn't really say bad corner when it's on taylors head. Lol.
No. We won a game away and I came on a discussed many players in my OP in mostly a positive light actually. But you're keen to discuss the negatives then moan that I mentioned them.
You're praising two pieces of action. Not being funny flash but in 80 minutes you should be able to put in a decent cross and when having a free shot at goal, get it on target. If that's all you've got which tbf that's all there is , then you're backing up my thoughts despite you really not wanting to.
Twice now v palace and v wolves. That right hand side combo didn't do enough. Again not a slight. It just isn't prem quality. They've both had individual cameos without the other and still neither have shown that they can either hurt sides for 80 minutes or shown they can defend well enough for 80 odd minutes.
I accept at the moment our back up options are minimal. But with a window coming up that right hand side needs sorting if we are to have a hope of staying up. |
No straw man. I'm not even sure you understand what a straw man fallacy is.
"The thread was about a corner. You couldn't really say bad corner when it's on taylors head"
But when I said "great corner" I was literally talking about Clarke:
"Great corner but the rest was more of the same we usually see from him."
I've brought up two pieces of action because both of them could've led to goals. That doesn't mean they were the ONLY good things Burns did, they weren't. A goal and an assist - which they easily could have been - would be a very decent return away from home in the Premier League. But then we all know you have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to Burns. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:49 - Dec 15 with 589 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:37 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No straw man. I'm not even sure you understand what a straw man fallacy is.
"The thread was about a corner. You couldn't really say bad corner when it's on taylors head"
But when I said "great corner" I was literally talking about Clarke:
"Great corner but the rest was more of the same we usually see from him."
I've brought up two pieces of action because both of them could've led to goals. That doesn't mean they were the ONLY good things Burns did, they weren't. A goal and an assist - which they easily could have been - would be a very decent return away from home in the Premier League. But then we all know you have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to Burns. |
No blind spot Flash. I've been complimentary of Burns cameos this season. Look back at utd game thank you.
What you're getting is you're saying despite the corner, j clarke was the same as always like it was a negative especially as you then specified two negative moments.
Yet your keen to paint burns in a good light because of two moments that didn't lead to anything. Jackson had his moments. Harness had his moments. Does that mean they would have been the answer? You play 80 minutes in an attacking role then you should have a few contributions of note. The important thing is however without taylors header it would have been another non win with those two on the pitch.
Your keen to carry on as you're wanting it to look like a burns bashing. It not. I've tried to make it very clear it's not. But you made it sound like I missed some things from the first half. When I hadn't watching it back.
Anyways enough on this now.
Feel free to comment on the positive aspects of the OP if you like. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 08:52 - Dec 15 with 588 views | Zapers |
| Absolutely beautiful on 18:16 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
This is a prem flash
What's the point keeping both when there are better out there for both roles.
Stop arguing when you're basically agreeing. |
Frimmers let the little kid win, otherwise there will be massive tears over nothing, as usual | | | |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:01 - Dec 15 with 574 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:52 - Dec 15 by Zapers |
Frimmers let the little kid win, otherwise there will be massive tears over nothing, as usual |
Once again following me round like a lovesick puppy. This isn't even a discussion you're involved in. I told you, I'm not going to shag you. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 09:13 - Dec 15 with 552 views | Zapers |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:01 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Once again following me round like a lovesick puppy. This isn't even a discussion you're involved in. I told you, I'm not going to shag you. |
Phew, that will come as a relief to your mother. | | | |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:19 - Dec 15 with 544 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 08:49 - Dec 15 by FrimleyBlue |
No blind spot Flash. I've been complimentary of Burns cameos this season. Look back at utd game thank you.
What you're getting is you're saying despite the corner, j clarke was the same as always like it was a negative especially as you then specified two negative moments.
Yet your keen to paint burns in a good light because of two moments that didn't lead to anything. Jackson had his moments. Harness had his moments. Does that mean they would have been the answer? You play 80 minutes in an attacking role then you should have a few contributions of note. The important thing is however without taylors header it would have been another non win with those two on the pitch.
Your keen to carry on as you're wanting it to look like a burns bashing. It not. I've tried to make it very clear it's not. But you made it sound like I missed some things from the first half. When I hadn't watching it back.
Anyways enough on this now.
Feel free to comment on the positive aspects of the OP if you like. |
"you're wanting it to look like a burns bashing. It not. I've tried to make it very clear it's not."
If Burns being a no no who should be thanked but got rid of as not up to the level isn't Burns bashing then I don't know what is.
"Didn't lead to anything" - a shot saved by the keeper and a cross that should've been scored.
And then this comment is one of the most bizarre you've ever posted;
"without taylors header it would have been another non win with those two on the pitch."
Where do we start here?!?
Neither Burns or H Clarke were on the pitch when the goal was scored. But you're sort of painting a parallel universe where the goal wasn't scored and the players we should be blaming for a goal not being scored weren't even on the pitch when the goal that was scored, was scored. And if you're happy to change what actually happened, then surely I can as well and say that in this parallel universe Burns shot was scored and his excellent cross was turned in by Delap.
It's enough to make your head spin! | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 09:20 - Dec 15 with 542 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:13 - Dec 15 by Zapers |
Phew, that will come as a relief to your mother. |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 09:30 - Dec 15 with 532 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:19 - Dec 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"you're wanting it to look like a burns bashing. It not. I've tried to make it very clear it's not."
If Burns being a no no who should be thanked but got rid of as not up to the level isn't Burns bashing then I don't know what is.
"Didn't lead to anything" - a shot saved by the keeper and a cross that should've been scored.
And then this comment is one of the most bizarre you've ever posted;
"without taylors header it would have been another non win with those two on the pitch."
Where do we start here?!?
Neither Burns or H Clarke were on the pitch when the goal was scored. But you're sort of painting a parallel universe where the goal wasn't scored and the players we should be blaming for a goal not being scored weren't even on the pitch when the goal that was scored, was scored. And if you're happy to change what actually happened, then surely I can as well and say that in this parallel universe Burns shot was scored and his excellent cross was turned in by Delap.
It's enough to make your head spin! |
? What are you on about.
With both players on the pitch together it was 1-1.
For town thankfully we scored at the end to get the win. But with Burns and clarke as the right side for the minutes they were on the pitch together it was 1-1. We hadn't done enough with their Inclusion to win the game during the minutes they were on together.
Thought that was quite easy to understand tbh.
Look I know you're desperate here. But let's leave it. You're getting lost. You like the players I get it. | |
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| Absolutely beautiful on 09:32 - Dec 15 with 523 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Absolutely beautiful on 17:36 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue |
I've commented on what I saw flash. Made that clear.
On the first half. There are others with their own comments on them, varied views. |
FWIW I don’t think Harry Clarke is a premier league full back, but in the 1st half yesterday he played well. And for the first 20 minutes of the 2nd to be fair, but got pulled about when we lost our shape and Wolves upped it. He didn’t cover himself in glory for their goal either, he lost possession in the first instance which led to it and was then out of position.
Wolves were far stronger down their left with Ait Nouri and Cunha though, typically where we were weaker with Clarke & Burns. I thought Wes was OK to be fair, a 6.5. Certainly put in a shift and rattled them, it was good to see some housery from him. Little bit more quality on the ball would be nice and one who looks to be finding the physical step up a bit steep. On balance a decent performance though. |  | | |
| Absolutely beautiful on 09:46 - Dec 15 with 498 views | BlueStreak |
| Absolutely beautiful on 19:40 - Dec 14 by Illinoisblue |
Incredibly harsh. Great ball in from which we should have scored. |
It really isn’t a good ball. It’s absolutely hammered in waist height. Either across the floor for an easy tap in or higher for a header. The fact he’s had to go at it with his knee says everything. |  | | |
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