| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' 14:56 - Jan 9 with 6972 views | Cafe_Newman |
I think more people will agree with "Ange" than those that don't. What's the feeling here at TWTD?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cwyxyw1nrglo
At the very least, I think the BBC are silly to call his comments a tirade.
(apologies if I'm late to the party and this has already been discussed) |  | | |  |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:11 - Jan 9 with 6631 views | BseaBlue |
I'd probably agree that it is changing too much. However, for him to state that things were never debated before VAR is a massive reach! |  | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:12 - Jan 9 with 6619 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
He made a lot of good points.
But, I think that his comment, something to do with this, 'being the home of football, so why is a bloke from Australia the only one that seems to have a problem with it', will almost certainly have triggered certain elements of the press.
We all know how much they love a foreigner telling us what to do. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:13 - Jan 9 with 6597 views | tcblue |
He's the biggest whinger in the league, or maybe joint biggest with Arteta. I can't be objective as to what he's banging on about here |  | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:18 - Jan 9 with 6531 views | HighgateBlue |
I really dislike it when he's grumpy and refuses to answer a question properly because he's in a huff.
So I'm not going to grumble when he sets out his thoughts in a pretty considered way as he does here. I don't think it's a tirade at all, on this occasion. I do think a lot of people will have sympathy with what he says. Although I'm not sure that he, I, or anyone else has anything close to a perfect answer to the problem (especially given that we know VAR is not going anywhere). |  | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:20 - Jan 9 with 6502 views | Basuco |
Biggest shock is that Stuart Atwell got the rules right! |  | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:21 - Jan 9 with 6494 views | Dubtractor |
Read that earlier and agreed with most of it. Especially the bit about how odd it is that people are getting excited about the ref speaking over the pa system! |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:22 - Jan 9 with 6480 views | Guthrum |
'We never used to debate offsides, we never used to debate handballs, we never used to debate holding in the box, we never used to debate so many things.' Has he ever talked to any fans, or read old interviews? Managers have been moaning about decisions going against them since time immemorial. VAR has just given them a new layer of officials to complain about when they don't get what they want. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:23 - Jan 9 with 6478 views | Illinoisblue |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:20 - Jan 9 by Basuco |
Biggest shock is that Stuart Atwell got the rules right! |
If I’m reading it right, Bergvall didn’t get that second yellow because the ref played the advantage and even though the advantage came to nothing, the ref can’t then go back and book the player. That seems wrong on multiple levels. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:27 - Jan 9 with 6415 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:21 - Jan 9 by Dubtractor |
Read that earlier and agreed with most of it. Especially the bit about how odd it is that people are getting excited about the ref speaking over the pa system! |
Utter woke nonsense |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:29 - Jan 9 with 6380 views | GeoffSentence |
I found it little tricky to decipher what he was tlking about, but I think it boiled down to 'fwck VAR' |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:31 - Jan 9 with 6362 views | Basuco |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:23 - Jan 9 by Illinoisblue |
If I’m reading it right, Bergvall didn’t get that second yellow because the ref played the advantage and even though the advantage came to nothing, the ref can’t then go back and book the player. That seems wrong on multiple levels. |
It's not wrong, just vague and open to interpretation, it can be applied whatever way the referee chooses and he is always correct. Like most rules in football. | | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:33 - Jan 9 with 6346 views | DanTheMan |
I agree with his general point but this made me laugh...
"We never used to debate offsides, we never used to debate handbells..."
Maybe I'm misreading but people absolutely did these things and being able to debate them after the game at the pub was something people used to say VAR would ruin. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:47 - Jan 9 with 6188 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:33 - Jan 9 by DanTheMan |
I agree with his general point but this made me laugh...
"We never used to debate offsides, we never used to debate handbells..."
Maybe I'm misreading but people absolutely did these things and being able to debate them after the game at the pub was something people used to say VAR would ruin. |
Imagine the fuss we would have made if Maradonna had actually handled the ball in that World Cup Semifinal in 1986. | | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:51 - Jan 9 with 6162 views | urbanpenguin |
There might be some good points to what he's saying, but he seems a really bad communicator. I know interviews after a game aren't the best format for eloquence, but he's really, really bad at presenting a point or argument in a clear way, and instead loops and returns and repeats and does himself no favours. Compare him to McKenna and I think we are so lucky to have a manager who can communicate clearly for us as fans but especially for players |  | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:54 - Jan 9 with 6138 views | LankHenners |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:21 - Jan 9 by Dubtractor |
Read that earlier and agreed with most of it. Especially the bit about how odd it is that people are getting excited about the ref speaking over the pa system! |
Perfect example of how tone deaf the FA are with regards to what fans think makes the sport good. Their solution to frustration that no-one inside the ground knows exactly what's going on and what's being discussed when the VAR stuff is going on is to keep it exactly the same but have the ref speak their decision into a mic when everyone can see what the outcome is anyway by their signals. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:57 - Jan 9 with 6097 views | Garv |
He's right.
He asked a good question re: whether we really want to see referee's mic'd up and talking to the whole stadium to explain how offside works. The answer should be no, it's not Rugby or Cricket and it shouldn't be used as theatre - let the football be the entertainment. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 16:14 - Jan 9 with 6015 views | Scuzzer |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:57 - Jan 9 by Garv |
He's right.
He asked a good question re: whether we really want to see referee's mic'd up and talking to the whole stadium to explain how offside works. The answer should be no, it's not Rugby or Cricket and it shouldn't be used as theatre - let the football be the entertainment. |
Would be a waste of time down at Portman Road...cant decipher anything over that PA. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 17:22 - Jan 9 with 5880 views | homer_123 |
No Ange, it's not what the people want, it never, ever, ever was.
OK, let me re-phrase. It's not what the fans wanted.
Might be wanted by those in charge of football. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 20:00 - Jan 10 with 5499 views | Garv |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 16:14 - Jan 9 by Scuzzer |
Would be a waste of time down at Portman Road...cant decipher anything over that PA. |
That is another valid reason it's not viable across the sport.
Jumpers for goalposts won't exist one day. | |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 20:21 - Jan 10 with 5185 views | Swansea_Blue |
He’s at that age where everything was wonderful in the olden days. He’s miles off the mark if he thinks that before VAR we never debated or over-analysed offside, handballs or holding in the box. We did nothing but!
He’s not right about the general view of VAR either. A lot seem against it.
He is right that there’s a lot of confusion, but that’s got nothing to do with VAR. It’s the constant changes to the laws of the game and lack of consistency in how they are applied. I’ve just watched the highlights and Bergvall‘s second challenge is a yellow 99 times out of a hundred. He took the guy out on the break, missing the ball completely. That should be a yellow. To have rules that says it’s not because advantage was played (in Liverpool’s own half) is a nonsense. Sure, let it go, but it has to be pulled back imo otherwise you’ve got two separate interpretations of the same foul allowed. So it’s the rules that are creating the confusion - nothing to do with VAR. And we’d still be talking about it if VAR didn’t exist.
Not at all surprised to see Atwell’s name crop up. He’s never far from controversy! [Post edited 10 Jan 20:23]
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 20:27 - Jan 10 with 5124 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 17:22 - Jan 9 by homer_123 |
No Ange, it's not what the people want, it never, ever, ever was.
OK, let me re-phrase. It's not what the fans wanted.
Might be wanted by those in charge of football. |
I wanted it, in some form. There were far too many missed decisions that sometimes had major implications for teams. Video referrals work well in some other sports. The trouble is that we’ve got the same incompetents manning VAR and the rules are a bit of a mess. | |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 23:46 - Jan 10 with 3145 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:21 - Jan 9 by Dubtractor |
Read that earlier and agreed with most of it. Especially the bit about how odd it is that people are getting excited about the ref speaking over the pa system! |
Maybe what we need is to spread the game over four quarters lest we get over excited and miss valuable advertising opportunities. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 00:39 - Jan 11 with 2337 views | sotd78 |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 23:46 - Jan 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Maybe what we need is to spread the game over four quarters lest we get over excited and miss valuable advertising opportunities. |
Add in multi ball while you're about it. We're nearly there with balls on cones. Best game this soccer ... so much faster than football. Lol. |  |
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| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 06:56 - Jan 11 with 1705 views | ibbleobble |
He’s largely right. Regarding the Bergvall incident, he wasn’t lucky to be on the pitch as his first yellow wasn’t one, so in the words of KM, “these things even out”.
The game feels like it’s now accommodating tech for change sake when it was first introduced to make positive change. I think we can all agree, it’s been a failure so I’m with Ange - leave the game alone, sport is great for its inconsistencies as much as it is its consistency. Sport without error or misjudgement veers more towards sterility. | | | |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 07:59 - Jan 11 with 1633 views | TractorWood |
| Postecoglou's tirade on 'change' on 15:22 - Jan 9 by Guthrum |
'We never used to debate offsides, we never used to debate handballs, we never used to debate holding in the box, we never used to debate so many things.' Has he ever talked to any fans, or read old interviews? Managers have been moaning about decisions going against them since time immemorial. VAR has just given them a new layer of officials to complain about when they don't get what they want. |
Maradona's handball is brought up every tournament.
As is Lampard's non goal.
VAR is imo positive overall as its broadly ensures these grave miscarriages of footballing justice can't happen. However, as football is both inherently judgmental, endlessly analysed and chaotically random the smaller decisions often trigger immense debate as it is perceived to impact the broader game.
The game is excessively surgical. Tbh I saw it was league cup and was immediately disinterested. [Post edited 11 Jan 8:05]
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