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I agree with McKenna.... on 10:30 - Jan 17 by PhilTWTD
Will be interesting to see what he and other ex-Premier League officials say, although they do tend to back up their old mates more often than not. Any referees on here to give guidance on how they would have viewed it on a Sunday morning?
I actually think the referee's positioning probably helped Pedro, it doesn't look as deliberate or dangerous from behind as it does from the side. Linesman had a better view. The VAR guidance does seem to be too conservative towards the referee's initial decision in these circumstances when if it was simply 're-refereed' then he would have gone, I think.
It looks even worse from behind the goal. Pedro actually changes the direction of his run to make sure he's in a position to jump into Walton. You can see it in that clip you've included in the O'Shea news story.
He clearly endangered the safety of an opponent, and acted recklessly, if not wilfully, in doing so, so clearly serious foul play in my view.
And it sets a very dangerous precedent if players can get away with such challenges against a goalkeeper, given Walton could have been seriously injured.
I agree with McKenna.... on 10:46 - Jan 17 by soupytwist
It looks even worse from behind the goal. Pedro actually changes the direction of his run to make sure he's in a position to jump into Walton. You can see it in that clip you've included in the O'Shea news story.
Can you link the clip as I don't see it in the story - I just see Gary Neville banging on about Arsenal, so I suspect it's not specifically included. Cheers
My instinct at the time, viewed from the other end of the ground, was that the yellow was right. Having seen the replay though, I think that's a red card challenge, really nasty play to jump into Walton shoulder first.
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I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
He clearly endangered the safety of an opponent, and acted recklessly, if not wilfully, in doing so, so clearly serious foul play in my view.
And it sets a very dangerous precedent if players can get away with such challenges against a goalkeeper, given Walton could have been seriously injured.
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Pedro already set a precedent it's OK to attempt to elbow a player, and now its OK to jump at speed into another player.
How does one get "FA immunity" on a football pitch?
Pedro already set a precedent it's OK to attempt to elbow a player, and now its OK to jump at speed into another player.
How does one get "FA immunity" on a football pitch?
Gets redder with each viewing. He does adjust his angle to ensure contact, not to avoid it. He jumps into him rather than slowing down. No attempt to avoid collision whatsoever.
I agree with McKenna.... on 11:06 - Jan 17 by BluJu
Can you link the clip as I don't see it in the story - I just see Gary Neville banging on about Arsenal, so I suspect it's not specifically included. Cheers
Should have been more precise - it's the TNT Sports post on X with a short clip that I was referring to:
My instinct at the time, viewed from the other end of the ground, was that the yellow was right. Having seen the replay though, I think that's a red card challenge, really nasty play to jump into Walton shoulder first.
Agree - at the time thought it was one of those ones where his momentum is taking him towards Walton and he's entitled to challenge for the ball anyway but seeing it back think he's being very naughty and if the ref had sent him off I don't think VAR would have overturned it.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Gets redder with each viewing. He does adjust his angle to ensure contact, not to avoid it. He jumps into him rather than slowing down. No attempt to avoid collision whatsoever.
Red as red gets tbh. Another var failure.
Agreed. Just watched a few more times to be sure I am not being emotional as it's Ipswich.
I have played sports, inc football and if I was going to collide with another player I would put my arms out to lessen the impact of any contact and try to avoid hurting both myself and oppos player. If I could I would try to decelerate and also try to change direction to minimise impact.
Looking at the clip again and again Pedro does none of those things. He appears to ensure his direction of travel is straight at Walton not the ball, he doesn't attempt to slow down and leads with his shoulder and not extend his arms to attempt to minimise body to to body contact. Added to that he jumps (out of control) as oppose to continue to keep feet on the ground and attempt to slow down.
Added together does anyone really think that's a normal player to player contact with no intention on either players part to harm the other?
Agreed. Just watched a few more times to be sure I am not being emotional as it's Ipswich.
I have played sports, inc football and if I was going to collide with another player I would put my arms out to lessen the impact of any contact and try to avoid hurting both myself and oppos player. If I could I would try to decelerate and also try to change direction to minimise impact.
Looking at the clip again and again Pedro does none of those things. He appears to ensure his direction of travel is straight at Walton not the ball, he doesn't attempt to slow down and leads with his shoulder and not extend his arms to attempt to minimise body to to body contact. Added to that he jumps (out of control) as oppose to continue to keep feet on the ground and attempt to slow down.
Added together does anyone really think that's a normal player to player contact with no intention on either players part to harm the other?
Imagine that in the centre circle. Midfielder gets his pass off, and is then clobbered that way whilst vulnerable having played the ball. Instant red.
Of course, Pedro should be serving a ban for the attempted elbow a couple of weeks back as well.
Imagine that in the centre circle. Midfielder gets his pass off, and is then clobbered that way whilst vulnerable having played the ball. Instant red.
Of course, Pedro should be serving a ban for the attempted elbow a couple of weeks back as well.
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You would like to think so. In that scenario if the player was on the ground running into the midfielder with no leading elbow etc, maybe a yellow. If jumping in, that is excessive and out of control so has to be red.
I was watching on TV, but it didn't seem that our players made much of a fuss? Did anyone get hold of Pedro, get in the ref's ear etc? A bit of a scrum like at the Arsenal v Man Utd may have got the crowd up and fuelled more of a sense of injustice. Often when you see a goalie taken out, not even as badly as that, someone takes retribution.
I was watching on TV, but it didn't seem that our players made much of a fuss? Did anyone get hold of Pedro, get in the ref's ear etc? A bit of a scrum like at the Arsenal v Man Utd may have got the crowd up and fuelled more of a sense of injustice. Often when you see a goalie taken out, not even as badly as that, someone takes retribution.
There is real benefit to a culture that doesnt make a fuss and gets on with it. Teams can get distracted by their own whining and sense of injustice.
This is the sort of situation where we needed to be all around the ref like other teams are though.
Agreed. Just watched a few more times to be sure I am not being emotional as it's Ipswich.
I have played sports, inc football and if I was going to collide with another player I would put my arms out to lessen the impact of any contact and try to avoid hurting both myself and oppos player. If I could I would try to decelerate and also try to change direction to minimise impact.
Looking at the clip again and again Pedro does none of those things. He appears to ensure his direction of travel is straight at Walton not the ball, he doesn't attempt to slow down and leads with his shoulder and not extend his arms to attempt to minimise body to to body contact. Added to that he jumps (out of control) as oppose to continue to keep feet on the ground and attempt to slow down.
Added together does anyone really think that's a normal player to player contact with no intention on either players part to harm the other?
Can you get a retrospective red if VAR sanctions the yellow during play?
No. I think that If it’s already been reviewed, it can’t be reviewed again.
I thought this, so had a bit of a check but what I found does suggested in special cases retrospective action could be taken. Not entirely sure what the threshold is, I guess new video evidence might be a case but as VAR upheld the Ref it feels unlikely there would be any change retrospectively. After all the elbow from Pedro against Brentford got no further action, Wilson swearing at the Ref in his face and alleged accusations got no further action.
I thought this, so had a bit of a check but what I found does suggested in special cases retrospective action could be taken. Not entirely sure what the threshold is, I guess new video evidence might be a case but as VAR upheld the Ref it feels unlikely there would be any change retrospectively. After all the elbow from Pedro against Brentford got no further action, Wilson swearing at the Ref in his face and alleged accusations got no further action.
What a toothless bunch the PL and all its officials are.
This premier league fiasco is starting to pizz me off it's as plain as the nose on your face that the comedian knew exactly what he was doing, he floored Walton by jumping up and leading with his arm and shoulder to take him out, which he did to perfection, crazy people running this stupid league. Remember when Chaplin was bundled over in the box.....say no more.
Agreed. Just watched a few more times to be sure I am not being emotional as it's Ipswich.
I have played sports, inc football and if I was going to collide with another player I would put my arms out to lessen the impact of any contact and try to avoid hurting both myself and oppos player. If I could I would try to decelerate and also try to change direction to minimise impact.
Looking at the clip again and again Pedro does none of those things. He appears to ensure his direction of travel is straight at Walton not the ball, he doesn't attempt to slow down and leads with his shoulder and not extend his arms to attempt to minimise body to to body contact. Added to that he jumps (out of control) as oppose to continue to keep feet on the ground and attempt to slow down.
Added together does anyone really think that's a normal player to player contact with no intention on either players part to harm the other?
Wolves supporting colleague at work (so as balanced as you might find) just said he had just seen the incident and that he could not believe Pedro was not sent off... Of course he might be hoping that some sort of extraordinary retrospective action might mean they dont have to face him!
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