| Red card 21:32 - Jan 16 with 9586 views | StockholmBlue |
In my view that is a clear red card when they hockey tackle Walton. Would have changed the game. |  |
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| I agree with McKenna.... on 22:42 - Jan 16 with 1601 views | Bloots |
....it was a yellow. |  |
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| Red card on 22:55 - Jan 16 with 1551 views | berkstractorboy |
| Red card on 21:58 - Jan 16 by WicklowBlue |
He got a yellow, I just don't think it was red full stop. The commentator said the pace of the pass allowed the forward to have a go.
Sorry more thing went wrong tonight than looking to having an oppo player sent off. |
The forward can have a go sure, but in his attempt to have a go he was reckless and late. Non-town fans I know think a red. It will divide opinions for sure. On another day against a higher profile GK the FA want to protect it gets red.
I struggle to understand how there is justification to jump into Walton and turn body so shoulder is going to hit Walton. You will no doubt argue about Pedro protecting himself but what about the protection for the keeper who was in possession of the ball that they played before then getting hit by a player without the ball with excessive force. |  | | |
| Red card on 22:56 - Jan 16 with 1546 views | Edmundo |
| Red card on 21:58 - Jan 16 by WicklowBlue |
He got a yellow, I just don't think it was red full stop. The commentator said the pace of the pass allowed the forward to have a go.
Sorry more thing went wrong tonight than looking to having an oppo player sent off. |
We need to start piling on players like this though: as a team we are pi$$ poor at creating a fuss and coercion of the ref. |  |
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| Red card on 23:18 - Jan 16 with 1502 views | Trequartista |
I think that's clutching at straws, he just bumped into him. Yellow was correct. |  |
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| Red card on 23:22 - Jan 16 with 1483 views | BlueForYou |
| Red card on 21:58 - Jan 16 by NthQldITFC |
Eyes on Walton and a shoulder charge to the head - that's 10 mins in the bin in Rugby League, but football is a bit softer than RL, so I think it's red. Not exactly scientific, like, I admit. |
Clear red card in Rugby Union. Serious foul play. Surely has to be red in football, if a Southampton player gets red carded for accidentally pulling Cucharellas’ hair earlier in the season, but a charge to head is ok, then the game is finished completely. |  | | |
| Red card on 23:26 - Jan 16 with 1462 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Red card on 21:52 - Jan 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"As the proper experts said"
Ooooh get you. |
Obligatory reminder that, under these definitions, Robbie Savage counts as a "proper expert". | | | |
| Red card on 23:33 - Jan 16 with 1423 views | Suffolktractor |
| Red card on 23:22 - Jan 16 by BlueForYou |
Clear red card in Rugby Union. Serious foul play. Surely has to be red in football, if a Southampton player gets red carded for accidentally pulling Cucharellas’ hair earlier in the season, but a charge to head is ok, then the game is finished completely. |
He knew he wasn’t going to get the ball, and had the opportunity to avoid a collision but decided not to slow down or move in a different direction and jumped straight into Walton. A clear red and to be honest had Delap done that on their keeper I would have said the same.
Don’t know whether it would have changed the game, that is irrelevant, it was a dangerous tackle with the clear intention of injuring the opposition goalkeeper.
But the ref tonight was so poor and weak there was no way he would have the balls to red card him. | | | |
| Red card on 23:35 - Jan 16 with 1402 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Red card on 23:18 - Jan 16 by Trequartista |
I think that's clutching at straws, he just bumped into him. Yellow was correct. |
It was far from a bump. He jumped into him. |  |
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| Red card on 00:06 - Jan 17 with 1350 views | brazil1981 |
| Red card on 22:18 - Jan 16 by WicklowBlue |
Chelters, my points were clear:
a) Didn't think it was a red from in game and replays
b) That incident did not determine the outcome of the game
Anyways have a good night! |
The more I watch the more it the more I’m thinking it was nasty enough to deserve a red.
If he’d been red carded it could have had a big effect on the game! | | | |
| Red card on 00:13 - Jan 17 with 1323 views | stonojnr |
| Red card on 21:48 - Jan 16 by bournemouthblue |
If his arm is a bit higher, it's a straight red
I think he just about gets away with it but he is slightly fortunate |
at the time I thought he led with his elbow too, which should have been a red.
on the replay which is more leftside than my view it doesnt quite look as bad, even though the clear intent is there to take out the keeper, its a very strong yellow, bordering orange for me, as others had said if the ref gives a red, does VAR overturn that ? Im not sure.
it was weird we played 50plus minutes of a game with nothing like that going on, and suddenly they just switched up and are doing stuff like that. | | | |
| Red card on 01:00 - Jan 17 with 1238 views | HighgateBlue |
| Red card on 23:26 - Jan 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Obligatory reminder that, under these definitions, Robbie Savage counts as a "proper expert". |
He may not be the sharpest, but 13 Premier League seasons and nearly 600 professional matches does count for something. |  | | |
| Red card on 01:43 - Jan 17 with 1204 views | FifeITFC |
| Red card on 22:00 - Jan 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Could have been avoided had Walton come off his line. a lot quicker. |
Not at all, Walton was sold well short with that backpass. With proper pace, Walton would have cleared with ease and their guy wouldn't have made the effort to go in and challenge. |  |
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| Red card on 05:16 - Jan 17 with 1123 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Red card on 01:00 - Jan 17 by HighgateBlue |
He may not be the sharpest, but 13 Premier League seasons and nearly 600 professional matches does count for something. |
And has made a subsequent career out of saying whatever is most controversial, sometimes contradicting himself within the same sentence. | | | |
| Red card on 09:52 - Jan 17 with 949 views | DJR |
There was no need to jump in the air because the ball was on the ground. And you don't jump in the air to lessen the impact of a challenge, which is a very dangerous thing to do.
Straight red card for me, and if that sort of challenge isn't covered by the sending off rules, the rules need to change.
The Sky vote on this has 64% in favour of a sending off. [Post edited 17 Jan 9:55]
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| I agree with McKenna.... on 09:55 - Jan 17 with 925 views | PhilTWTD |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 22:42 - Jan 16 by Bloots |
....it was a yellow. |
He didn't say that, least not to us. Said he'd not really seen it back and that the player had left one on Walton, knew what he was doing. I suspect when he has seen it again, particularly from the side, he'll see it as a red, although I doubt he will comment further, particularly as there's not pre-Man City presser.
General consensus among the unaffiliated media was that it should have been a red. |  | | |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:02 - Jan 17 with 889 views | Pinewoodblue |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 09:55 - Jan 17 by PhilTWTD |
He didn't say that, least not to us. Said he'd not really seen it back and that the player had left one on Walton, knew what he was doing. I suspect when he has seen it again, particularly from the side, he'll see it as a red, although I doubt he will comment further, particularly as there's not pre-Man City presser.
General consensus among the unaffiliated media was that it should have been a red. |
Wonder if Gallagher, on Sky Sports News will review it and express an opinion. |  |
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| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:03 - Jan 17 with 886 views | berkstractorboy |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 09:55 - Jan 17 by PhilTWTD |
He didn't say that, least not to us. Said he'd not really seen it back and that the player had left one on Walton, knew what he was doing. I suspect when he has seen it again, particularly from the side, he'll see it as a red, although I doubt he will comment further, particularly as there's not pre-Man City presser.
General consensus among the unaffiliated media was that it should have been a red. |
Let's see if it makes it to Ref Watch an what Dimwit Gallagher has to say ... "it was a coming together, no foul, should have played on" | | | |
| Red card on 10:11 - Jan 17 with 857 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Red card on 21:48 - Jan 16 by bournemouthblue |
If his arm is a bit higher, it's a straight red
I think he just about gets away with it but he is slightly fortunate |
For me it’s a 50/50 call. I don’t think VAR overturns it if red was given. The fact that the pass was short probably saves Pedro. | |
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| Red card on 10:12 - Jan 17 with 860 views | Trequartista |
| Red card on 23:35 - Jan 16 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
It was far from a bump. He jumped into him. |
Yeah looking at it again its more than a bump, he doesn't try to avoid collision but still a yellow for me. | |
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| You must have been pissed on 10:17 - Jan 17 with 852 views | Dyland |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 22:42 - Jan 16 by Bloots |
....it was a yellow. |
both during the incident and McKenna's post match comment, Blooters you silly old sausage. He implied something quite different to what he superficially said. The bloke is so smart and calm in pressers like that. Shame he got the tactics a bit wrong last night though. |  |
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| The commentator was a numbnuts then on 10:22 - Jan 17 with 816 views | Dyland |
| Red card on 21:58 - Jan 16 by WicklowBlue |
He got a yellow, I just don't think it was red full stop. The commentator said the pace of the pass allowed the forward to have a go.
Sorry more thing went wrong tonight than looking to having an oppo player sent off. |
Have a go? The ball was on the ground. Pedro jumped into Walton's head, shoulder first. What do the rules say about dangerous or violent or reckless or whatever? Very weak reffing, including the VAR. | |
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| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:30 - Jan 17 with 780 views | PhilTWTD |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:02 - Jan 17 by Pinewoodblue |
Wonder if Gallagher, on Sky Sports News will review it and express an opinion. |
Will be interesting to see what he and other ex-Premier League officials say, although they do tend to back up their old mates more often than not. Any referees on here to give guidance on how they would have viewed it on a Sunday morning?
I actually think the referee's positioning probably helped Pedro, it doesn't look as deliberate or dangerous from behind as it does from the side. Linesman had a better view. The VAR guidance does seem to be too conservative towards the referee's initial decision in these circumstances when if it was simply 're-refereed' then he would have gone, I think. | | | |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:32 - Jan 17 with 765 views | SomethingBlue |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 22:42 - Jan 16 by Bloots |
....it was a yellow. |
Not sure that was actually his view. | |
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| Red card on 10:32 - Jan 17 with 775 views | PhilTWTD |
| Red card on 09:52 - Jan 17 by DJR |
There was no need to jump in the air because the ball was on the ground. And you don't jump in the air to lessen the impact of a challenge, which is a very dangerous thing to do.
Straight red card for me, and if that sort of challenge isn't covered by the sending off rules, the rules need to change.
The Sky vote on this has 64% in favour of a sending off. [Post edited 17 Jan 9:55]
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Think this from Law 12 covers it:
Serious foul play
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#disciplinary-action | | | |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:40 - Jan 17 with 722 views | goperryrevs |
| I agree with McKenna.... on 10:30 - Jan 17 by PhilTWTD |
Will be interesting to see what he and other ex-Premier League officials say, although they do tend to back up their old mates more often than not. Any referees on here to give guidance on how they would have viewed it on a Sunday morning?
I actually think the referee's positioning probably helped Pedro, it doesn't look as deliberate or dangerous from behind as it does from the side. Linesman had a better view. The VAR guidance does seem to be too conservative towards the referee's initial decision in these circumstances when if it was simply 're-refereed' then he would have gone, I think. |
I think one of the problems with VAR is that the on-field ref doesn't want to make a decisive decision, so plays safe and gives a yellow, thinking if it was worse, then VAR overrules. But VAR now generally just goes with the on-field decision and doesn't get involved.
From upper SAR I thought it was 'orange', but looking down on it from above, I didn't realise Pedro jumped. That's what makes it a red. If he was running and his momentum takes him into Walton then fine, yellow. But the ball was on the ground, and by jumping Pedro was out of control and endangering Walton. It should have been a red. | | | |
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