| McKenna overthinking things? 20:33 - Jan 19 with 3084 views | kizaitfc |
We had some good performances against Chelsea and Fulham. So why did he decide to make so many changes over these two games.
Our biggest strength last season was playing a consistent side with the odd tweeks at the top end of the pitch.
I'm not saying a different team today would have won the game as City are far superior to us it was clear to see for 90% of that game.
But I just feel we need to have a consistent 11, if you asked me who is going to start next week I would struggle to tell you. Even to the point of the GK and now we have our captain being dropped for tactical reasons.
I just think he is getting a little too clever for no reason, find a team (i.e. the tema that beat Chelsea) and stick with it! |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:39 - Jan 19 with 2960 views | BarcaBlue |
I think you're overthinking things. We had 3 days between games, new players arriving, others back from injury. Change was inevitable. I do agree after the Liverpool game we should start looking at a more settled defence but even then there still has to be some rotation to keep players fresh. |  | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:41 - Jan 19 with 2932 views | backwaywhen |
Have you heard of a thing called injuries and knocks …….obviously not . | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:48 - Jan 19 with 2822 views | stonojnr |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:39 - Jan 19 by BarcaBlue |
I think you're overthinking things. We had 3 days between games, new players arriving, others back from injury. Change was inevitable. I do agree after the Liverpool game we should start looking at a more settled defence but even then there still has to be some rotation to keep players fresh. |
Yep it ought to be self evident it's rotation to protect players from injuries and over stretching themselves when we're getting hard games and only a few days recovery in between, we buy players in so we have like for like sub choices for this reason. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:05 - Jan 19 with 2704 views | kizaitfc |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:41 - Jan 19 by backwaywhen |
Have you heard of a thing called injuries and knocks …….obviously not . |
Was Morsy injured Thursday?
Are Wolfenden and Greaves injured tonight? Not heard anything to suggest that.
Delap seems to be capable of playing every game.
I'm not sure McKenna is looking at injuries he plans very game and puts out a different team to suit the playing style of the opposition. It worked perfectly last season but I'm not sure we have the depth of players to do it this season. | |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:07 - Jan 19 with 2666 views | kizaitfc |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:48 - Jan 19 by stonojnr |
Yep it ought to be self evident it's rotation to protect players from injuries and over stretching themselves when we're getting hard games and only a few days recovery in between, we buy players in so we have like for like sub choices for this reason. |
Rest your players against Liverpool, most fans will accept we will get nothing from the game at Anfield.
But most would have hoped we would have had a better chance of getting some points in the last two home games. | |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:15 - Jan 19 with 2592 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:07 - Jan 19 by kizaitfc |
Rest your players against Liverpool, most fans will accept we will get nothing from the game at Anfield.
But most would have hoped we would have had a better chance of getting some points in the last two home games. |
I will accept a loss at Anfield as long as it is not another trashing like today. BUT if we fail to beat Soton at home and get points from the Villa, Spurs (Everton beat them 3-2 today, let's use that as a benchmark) and ManUre matches the following weeks then it's probably curtains for us. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:36 - Jan 19 with 2487 views | kizaitfc |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 20:41 - Jan 19 by backwaywhen |
Have you heard of a thing called injuries and knocks …….obviously not . |
Do you think the reason Godfrey played over Wolfenden and Greaves was due to an injury/knock? | |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:04 - Jan 19 with 2341 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:05 - Jan 19 by kizaitfc |
Was Morsy injured Thursday?
Are Wolfenden and Greaves injured tonight? Not heard anything to suggest that.
Delap seems to be capable of playing every game.
I'm not sure McKenna is looking at injuries he plans very game and puts out a different team to suit the playing style of the opposition. It worked perfectly last season but I'm not sure we have the depth of players to do it this season. |
No point in playing Morsy from the start Thursday when Phillips couldn't play today. That was a decision enforced by trying to protect against injury,
Delap has to play because we have no other option really.
Woolf was always going to drop out for Godfrey and we don't know whether Greaves is injured or not, but Burgess' physicality for Haaland made sense.
You're overthinking things. |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:10 - Jan 19 with 2284 views | kizaitfc |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:04 - Jan 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
No point in playing Morsy from the start Thursday when Phillips couldn't play today. That was a decision enforced by trying to protect against injury,
Delap has to play because we have no other option really.
Woolf was always going to drop out for Godfrey and we don't know whether Greaves is injured or not, but Burgess' physicality for Haaland made sense.
You're overthinking things. |
So Morsy hasn't played two games in a week this season or the past two seasons.
That was a nonsense excuse for not playing Morsy.
Brighton was the key game to try to win therefore if anything you play your captain in that game not against City who we were always going to lose to.
This is what I mean by overthinking things, just play your best team ont he day. If Morsy played Thursday and then ha s angle and can't play today then so be it. Don't try to overthink it and be tok clever, for me not playing Morsy against Brighton cost us points.
Changing the defence today led to us getting a battering, I still think we lose playing a more consistent defence but I don't think it is a bad as 6-0.
The bed wetting over McKenna criticism is a joke, noone is saying we want him sacked but he is not immune from critique. | |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:11 - Jan 19 with 2266 views | WestSussexBlue |
If it’s all the same, I’ll trust his judgement. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:22 - Jan 19 with 2197 views | mutters |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 21:15 - Jan 19 by ITFCSG |
I will accept a loss at Anfield as long as it is not another trashing like today. BUT if we fail to beat Soton at home and get points from the Villa, Spurs (Everton beat them 3-2 today, let's use that as a benchmark) and ManUre matches the following weeks then it's probably curtains for us. |
....Elizabeth my dear.....
(Name the tune) |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:40 - Jan 19 with 2091 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:10 - Jan 19 by kizaitfc |
So Morsy hasn't played two games in a week this season or the past two seasons.
That was a nonsense excuse for not playing Morsy.
Brighton was the key game to try to win therefore if anything you play your captain in that game not against City who we were always going to lose to.
This is what I mean by overthinking things, just play your best team ont he day. If Morsy played Thursday and then ha s angle and can't play today then so be it. Don't try to overthink it and be tok clever, for me not playing Morsy against Brighton cost us points.
Changing the defence today led to us getting a battering, I still think we lose playing a more consistent defence but I don't think it is a bad as 6-0.
The bed wetting over McKenna criticism is a joke, noone is saying we want him sacked but he is not immune from critique. |
Precisely.
Lots of people think McK is immune to criticism and has sort of "diplomatic immunity" after leading us to back-to-back promotions.
His limitations, are being shown right now in the Prem. Just like our players, he's realising that the Prem is a whole new ball game compared to the Championship and League One. Still has much more to learn, starting with ditching the like for like changes, making subs earlier and learning how to work with foreign players with limited English.
Look at Hürzeler. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 15:04 - Jan 20 with 1667 views | WestSussexBlue |
We’ve just come out of the busiest period of the season! Six games already played since Boxing Day, Ten games in less than Seven weeks coupled with an injury list that has included Burns, Broadhead, Chaplin, Hirst, Szmodics, Johnson, Hutchinson, Tuanzebe as well as suspension’s served by Morsy and Phillips and we’ve a Fourth Round tie approaching in the FA Cup.
Why the hell wouldn’t Kmc utilise the squad?
Playing your best team and keeping consistency is ideal, unfortunately we don’t play in an ideal world. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 15:13 - Jan 20 with 1621 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:40 - Jan 19 by ITFCSG |
Precisely.
Lots of people think McK is immune to criticism and has sort of "diplomatic immunity" after leading us to back-to-back promotions.
His limitations, are being shown right now in the Prem. Just like our players, he's realising that the Prem is a whole new ball game compared to the Championship and League One. Still has much more to learn, starting with ditching the like for like changes, making subs earlier and learning how to work with foreign players with limited English.
Look at Hürzeler. |
What about Hurzeler ?
The limitation Mckenna has is that the players he works with are in the most part, not premier league standard. No manager is perfect, but I think this post seems a bit OTT. |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 15:16 - Jan 20 with 1602 views | Chris_ITFC |
Woolf and Greaves aren’t injured.
They were doing the usual fitness work pre-match for those outside the matchday squad. |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 16:15 - Jan 20 with 1459 views | ITFCSG |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 15:13 - Jan 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
What about Hurzeler ?
The limitation Mckenna has is that the players he works with are in the most part, not premier league standard. No manager is perfect, but I think this post seems a bit OTT. |
Granted Brighton has a much superior squad to ours
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Look at how Hürzeler changed the set up in the 2nd half to sit back and draw us out. I haven't seen McK changing tactics during a match this season even if we are losing. Our like-for-like substitutions are sometimes perplexing and easily predictable by the opposition.
Also Hürzeler is a German, English is obviously not his first language and apparently can work effectively with a team of players that resemble a mini United Nations while McK still almost exclusively prefers signing homegrown players who must have a good command of English or trained under an English-speaking coach before. This limitation is costing us.
McK may have it easy in the Championship and League One, but now in the Prem is where his skills will be severely tested. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 16:42 - Jan 20 with 1359 views | OldFart71 |
I think squad changes have been a combination of things. Injuries, form, tactics, new players and maybe a little bit of KM not being 100% on who his best 11 are. He did say that any of the 25 man squad may be needed at some time. We know we have to stick with the boys and hope they come through. If they don't then we move on. Regroup and start again with perhaps a bit more knowledge of what's needed. But then it didn't work for the Budgies and it certainly hasn't worked for those who got demoted then promoted again. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 16:59 - Jan 20 with 1272 views | NorthLondonBlue2 |
I think we lost so heavily because we were set up to take the fight to CIty. That plan worked for the first 25 minutes.
As the goals were being shipped, we had the choice either to stem the wound or keep playing to score. We chose the latter and got hammered.
We'll never know exactly why certain players were dropped on the day; it could as much be down to tactics as injuries to how the other side usually play.
However proud I may be of us trying to take the game against City, we need to play as defensive a game as possible against Liverpool to reinstill some confidence for what's yet to come. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 17:39 - Jan 20 with 1165 views | Dennyx4 |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 16:59 - Jan 20 by NorthLondonBlue2 |
I think we lost so heavily because we were set up to take the fight to CIty. That plan worked for the first 25 minutes.
As the goals were being shipped, we had the choice either to stem the wound or keep playing to score. We chose the latter and got hammered.
We'll never know exactly why certain players were dropped on the day; it could as much be down to tactics as injuries to how the other side usually play.
However proud I may be of us trying to take the game against City, we need to play as defensive a game as possible against Liverpool to reinstill some confidence for what's yet to come. |
Thought similar, we went for it much more in this game compared to Arsenal and Chelsea, maybe we thought City’s weak spot was there defence.
Also McKenna usually does make some rotation in the team, when we play twice in a short space. Don’t think we now have a mid week game for a month or so, which may help to bed in a settled team. |  | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 17:53 - Jan 20 with 1114 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 17:39 - Jan 20 by Dennyx4 |
Thought similar, we went for it much more in this game compared to Arsenal and Chelsea, maybe we thought City’s weak spot was there defence.
Also McKenna usually does make some rotation in the team, when we play twice in a short space. Don’t think we now have a mid week game for a month or so, which may help to bed in a settled team. |
He never really rotated the defence in the previous two seasons. This year, there is constant chopping and changing. We had a solid trio who performed well against Arsenal, Chelsea and Fulham and even for the most part against Brighton. Then he decided to change it and remove two players completely from the squad. | |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:12 - Jan 20 with 1057 views | Horsham |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 22:10 - Jan 19 by kizaitfc |
So Morsy hasn't played two games in a week this season or the past two seasons.
That was a nonsense excuse for not playing Morsy.
Brighton was the key game to try to win therefore if anything you play your captain in that game not against City who we were always going to lose to.
This is what I mean by overthinking things, just play your best team ont he day. If Morsy played Thursday and then ha s angle and can't play today then so be it. Don't try to overthink it and be tok clever, for me not playing Morsy against Brighton cost us points.
Changing the defence today led to us getting a battering, I still think we lose playing a more consistent defence but I don't think it is a bad as 6-0.
The bed wetting over McKenna criticism is a joke, noone is saying we want him sacked but he is not immune from critique. |
The trouble with the critique is that there’s no knowing who’s right and who’s wrong. There’s a chance you may be making a valid point that Morsy should have played against Brighton but at the same time you’ve not got access to all the information McKenna has and you haven’t got a double promotion under your belt which you can’t be blamed for but it does stack up for me that unless it’s stark staringly obviously wrong to trust McKenna has made the right calls. |  | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:14 - Jan 20 with 1034 views | LankHenners |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 16:15 - Jan 20 by ITFCSG |
Granted Brighton has a much superior squad to ours
BUT
Look at how Hürzeler changed the set up in the 2nd half to sit back and draw us out. I haven't seen McK changing tactics during a match this season even if we are losing. Our like-for-like substitutions are sometimes perplexing and easily predictable by the opposition.
Also Hürzeler is a German, English is obviously not his first language and apparently can work effectively with a team of players that resemble a mini United Nations while McK still almost exclusively prefers signing homegrown players who must have a good command of English or trained under an English-speaking coach before. This limitation is costing us.
McK may have it easy in the Championship and League One, but now in the Prem is where his skills will be severely tested. |
This idea that McKenna is tactically inflexible and never changes anything is one of the most bizarre shouts to come out this season. |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:23 - Jan 20 with 986 views | Dennyx4 |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 17:53 - Jan 20 by pointofblue |
He never really rotated the defence in the previous two seasons. This year, there is constant chopping and changing. We had a solid trio who performed well against Arsenal, Chelsea and Fulham and even for the most part against Brighton. Then he decided to change it and remove two players completely from the squad. |
Thought Edmundson had featured a few times, when we had two games close together last year. He certainly played at Coventry, just after we had played at Hull. | | | |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:33 - Jan 20 with 945 views | MK1 |
I have said all season that we need 3 midfielders in midfield. Not wingers or defenders, but midfielders. We are just to easy to get at. Yesterday was Man City at 80%, so shouldn't be judged, but in games against the so called weaker sides, we still need to protect our back line better. I am absolutely fine with a 5-3-2 formation. |  |
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| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:33 - Jan 20 with 946 views | pointofblue |
| McKenna overthinking things? on 18:23 - Jan 20 by Dennyx4 |
Thought Edmundson had featured a few times, when we had two games close together last year. He certainly played at Coventry, just after we had played at Hull. |
He featured mainly when Burgess was on international duty with Australia. Otherwise, he came in at home to Hull, when Tuanzebe was absent, Plymouth at home and Blackburn away, when Burgess was absent, plus replaced Woolfenden (who was on the bench) at home to Watford and away to Coventry.
Our main change was at right back when we played Clarke, Tuanzebe and Williams at different times. But we haven't gone through as many alterations through choice as we already have this season. | |
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