| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna 09:51 - Jan 20 with 6675 views | Markp68 |
Just read that he said the following to talkSport
“If I was the Ipswich hierarchy I would be slightly worried about Ange’s position”, Winter said on talkSPORT after Spurs’ latest disappointing result.”
Now he says a bit more but it’s purely speculation but when Winter says something I tend to give it more credence so do we think McKenna would jump ship if Spurs came calling now or will he remain steadfast is his commitment to us?
Personally he’s shown an awful lot of integrity over the summer and think he’ll see the season out at ITFC…but I’ve been known to be wrong! |  | | |  |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 12:08 - Jan 20 with 1346 views | SE1blue |
I could see why McKenna would be tempted to move to a team that on paper has 'better tools for the job, but...
I seriously think Spurs have the same issue as United. They need an Ipswich-esque, Demolition Man style clear out. But like much of United's old established hierarchy I think Spurs also need to lose Levy, as well as some of their overly-comfortable players.
Unfortunately, the PL is too unforgiving to allow time for that. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 12:08 - Jan 20 with 1341 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I would be less worried at McKenna & Spurs. I'm not sure there is a worse job in the Premier League for a manager to step into.
You've got the expectation of a top 4 team with the added pressure of the empty trophy cabinet and the squad of a lower midtable team.
Compare them with Brighton, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, West Ham, Villa etc and in most cases I think that lot have better elevens and squads.
Add in the fact that technical director has signed a whole lot of nothing for well over 100M in his three windows and certainly made the team worse.
Then there's Daniel Levy ... I'm not sure there is a worse boss in Football. Compare that with his relationship with Ashton.
KMc will leave at the end of the season whatever happens but i think it's much more likely he ends up somewhere like Fulham/ Bournemouth/ Villa when they lose their managers to bigger clubs. [Post edited 20 Jan 12:14]
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 12:18 - Jan 20 with 1284 views | Rimsy |
Does this mean we should start another thread on who is gonna replace McK? |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 12:28 - Jan 20 with 1241 views | ernie |
Henry Winter is an independent journalist now not attached to any credible organisation. He was canned from the Times. Certainly not an oracle or in the know in any way anymore. Perhaps 10-15 years ago maybe. | | | |
| Henry Winter also said Iraola; the North Stand and 6-0 also helps cause on 12:31 - Jan 20 with 1231 views | unstableblue |
This also from the excellent Winter:
“It’s all very well saying Ange out - and that first half was embarrassing - but who in? Would Spurs get Iraola or McKenna? Would the culture of meekness at the club change overnight? Many of Spurs problems pre-date Postecoglou. The one positive for the future is that some of the players working hardest are the youngest (Moore, Gray, Bergvall and Spence 24).“
I think Ange is living on borrowed time.. his press conferences are not helping his cause … but he does have a genuine injury crisis.
Iraola is probably ahead of McKenna despite our managers connections with Spurs. The 6-0 drubbing probably helps our cause.
But let’s all be clear McKenna (and I’d also say Iraola and Hurzeler) are superb young managers - probably better than many at the top clubs I include Spurs, Man U, Chelsea and Newcastle - bold statement I know.
We all know McKenna is the the real deal, we are EXTREMELY lucky he is here. Our squad is so inferior he’s working miracles.
I just pray his huge financial package, family settled in Ipswich, the training ground project, his commitment to players he’s brought in and his love of the club / respect for support strength KEEPS HIM HERE.
I do worry that he thinks it’s just to hard to elevate us quickly to the Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth and Forest level we aspire to.
I genuinely think that the support shown at the end of the Man Citu game - from those who stayed - is small part of cementing his desire to stay. You could see he appreciated it. |  |
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| FUTHERMORE - we don’t have the off field structure to handle his exit on 12:35 - Jan 20 with 1186 views | unstableblue |
| Henry Winter also said Iraola; the North Stand and 6-0 also helps cause on 12:31 - Jan 20 by unstableblue |
This also from the excellent Winter:
“It’s all very well saying Ange out - and that first half was embarrassing - but who in? Would Spurs get Iraola or McKenna? Would the culture of meekness at the club change overnight? Many of Spurs problems pre-date Postecoglou. The one positive for the future is that some of the players working hardest are the youngest (Moore, Gray, Bergvall and Spence 24).“
I think Ange is living on borrowed time.. his press conferences are not helping his cause … but he does have a genuine injury crisis.
Iraola is probably ahead of McKenna despite our managers connections with Spurs. The 6-0 drubbing probably helps our cause.
But let’s all be clear McKenna (and I’d also say Iraola and Hurzeler) are superb young managers - probably better than many at the top clubs I include Spurs, Man U, Chelsea and Newcastle - bold statement I know.
We all know McKenna is the the real deal, we are EXTREMELY lucky he is here. Our squad is so inferior he’s working miracles.
I just pray his huge financial package, family settled in Ipswich, the training ground project, his commitment to players he’s brought in and his love of the club / respect for support strength KEEPS HIM HERE.
I do worry that he thinks it’s just to hard to elevate us quickly to the Fulham, Brighton, Bournemouth and Forest level we aspire to.
I genuinely think that the support shown at the end of the Man Citu game - from those who stayed - is small part of cementing his desire to stay. You could see he appreciated it. |
Another key factor that is not discussed enough on here
I do think Ashton is doing a good job rebuilding the Town brand, facilities and operations.
The new training ground is a huge step towards.
BUT, I am not convinced we have put in the enduring off field football ‘management system’ including data and recruitment, to enable us to handle the loss of McKenna
I think we’re a weird hybrid where the manager is still the essential component of say attaching players and increasing in pitch performance
A Brentford or a Brighton can seamlessly switch managers and almost improve every time
I think a McKenna loss would really damage our project | |
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| Old Henry has got…. on 12:52 - Jan 20 with 1143 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Old Henry has got…. on 10:20 - Jan 20 by Bloots |
….an irrational (or maybe it’s rational) massive love for everything Ipswich related at the moment, I’ll take his comments with a pinch of salt.
Personally I doubt Levy would pay the ransom for KM, I think he’s more likely to look at Edin Terzic who’d cost him nothing.
They definitely need to get rid of that Aussie fraud though, he’s absolutely clueless and his “alright cobber, good on ya mate, Vegemite sandwich” routine has totally worn thin now. |
Henry Winter definitely loves us! Posts nostalgically about us so much when in attendance. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 13:15 - Jan 20 with 1093 views | SitfcB |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 12:28 - Jan 20 by ernie |
Henry Winter is an independent journalist now not attached to any credible organisation. He was canned from the Times. Certainly not an oracle or in the know in any way anymore. Perhaps 10-15 years ago maybe. |
Chill. It’s just his opinion/suggestion. He hasn’t reported anything. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 13:35 - Jan 20 with 1059 views | wrightsrightglove |
Can see them keeping Ange / a caretaker manager for the rest of the season and then going after McKenna in the summer. I think he would go if offered it in the summer and would want to take Omari and Delap with him | | | |
| FUTHERMORE - we don’t have the off field structure to handle his exit on 13:58 - Jan 20 with 1010 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| FUTHERMORE - we don’t have the off field structure to handle his exit on 12:35 - Jan 20 by unstableblue |
Another key factor that is not discussed enough on here
I do think Ashton is doing a good job rebuilding the Town brand, facilities and operations.
The new training ground is a huge step towards.
BUT, I am not convinced we have put in the enduring off field football ‘management system’ including data and recruitment, to enable us to handle the loss of McKenna
I think we’re a weird hybrid where the manager is still the essential component of say attaching players and increasing in pitch performance
A Brentford or a Brighton can seamlessly switch managers and almost improve every time
I think a McKenna loss would really damage our project |
Agree with this 100%.
We are more Burnley / Sheffield Utd than Brighton or Brentford.
That said, Brighton and Brentford have statistical genius owners who have revolutionised the way football is analysed. [Post edited 20 Jan 13:59]
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 14:20 - Jan 20 with 972 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 10:05 - Jan 20 by hype313 |
I wonder if Iraloa is more in their thinking |
Surely Iraloa is #1 target for most sides who need a new boss, he's class! |  | | |
| FUTHERMORE - we don’t have the off field structure to handle his exit on 14:21 - Jan 20 with 972 views | unstableblue |
| FUTHERMORE - we don’t have the off field structure to handle his exit on 13:58 - Jan 20 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Agree with this 100%.
We are more Burnley / Sheffield Utd than Brighton or Brentford.
That said, Brighton and Brentford have statistical genius owners who have revolutionised the way football is analysed. [Post edited 20 Jan 13:59]
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They had the Brentford technical director on Football Focus… talking about a lot of the elements of continuity.. we lack that figure.. and structure
I really do hope fans savour this season, which can be hard when you lose 6-0, and show McKenna the adoration deserved - as before we know it he’ll be gone, and the issues I raise will potentially become very apparent.
Lambert got a huge TIFO… we barely sing Super Kieran McKenna anymore!!
Having said all this Ashton got McKenna right, as there’s to stop getting another effective Manager (not head coach) - which is what our current structure needs | |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 14:24 - Jan 20 with 958 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
At any other time I imagine he'd be tempted, but right now is far from ideal. Half way through the transfer window so not really enough time to assess the squad, identify what you need and get them in. Plus it'll take time for McKenna to get his ideas across and get the players bought into it (and then repeating it enough for it to stick) to even know who will step up and who won't/can't. I think the fans and owners would want a quicker turn around than that as well.
If it were the start of the summer I'd be more worried. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 19:39 - Jan 20 with 796 views | ArnieM |
Tbh I'm past caring now. He'll go at some point and ITFC will go on and you can bet your bottom $ Ashton will have had higher level conversations about the potential replacement. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 19:45 - Jan 20 with 786 views | catch74 |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 11:45 - Jan 20 by Plums |
Henry Winter is a big McKenna fan so I suspect it stems more from that than he knows Spurs are looking at him.
I had a chat with him briefly in the summer when he signed a book for me and he was telling me Kieran is the 'real deal' and how impressed he was with him when they met. |
That’s a nice Winter’s Tale. |  |
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| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 20:00 - Jan 20 with 768 views | Clutch |
Could see him going there in the summer. |  | | |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 20:28 - Jan 20 with 728 views | WestSussexBlue |
I’m of the opinion he would be very interested. Certainly to the point of talking and seeing if their ambitions match his. | | | |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 21:07 - Jan 20 with 678 views | cressi |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 10:05 - Jan 20 by hype313 |
I wonder if Iraloa is more in their thinking |
I agree McKenna has proven nothing in the Premiership as of yet. | | | |
| Henry Winter suggesting Spurs may look to McKenna on 21:09 - Jan 20 with 669 views | cressi |
Integrity really man utd and Chelsea never wanted him. Possibly Brighton but let's be honest he got himself a fantastic deal here wages wise. | | | |
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