| I’m becoming more worried about Delap 22:13 - Jan 20 with 6195 views | NeverSayDie |
Chelsea and Spurs just won’t go away and with Spurs injury to Solanke, they’ll be even more desperate for a striker.
The bottom line on this one, from an ITFC perspective, is whilst we would obviously love to keep him, if a decent offer comes in for him (£35 million+) I suspect we will take the money. However, if he is allowed to leave near window end, giving us no chance to replace, we are dead in the water and that’s the choice really isn’t it? Take the money, or keep Delap and a chance of survival, I think our resolve is going to be seriously tested soon and it really is a tough call, it would present a massive profit in a very short space of time, but we’d effectively be accepting relegation and giving up a shot at a potential windfall of anywhere up to a further £160 million.
Literally everywhere you look, it’s constant chatter on Delap, we know people have been in touch with his agent several times, how long before a serious offer is tabled? |  | | |  |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:17 - Jan 21 with 1317 views | NeverSayDie |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:00 - Jan 21 by Illinoisblue |
What on earth about this ownership - after the tens and tens of millions they’ve invested - makes you think they’d want to cash in with 10 days left of the window being open and condemn us to certain relegation?
Explain it to me like I’m 5, please. |
Fans and emotions aside, we are a business and we are run by business people. Even the most optimistic individual couldn’t look at our present situation and not be gravely concerned about our chances of survival. At some point, you have to accept the probabilities and plan ahead. Every decision the club has made to date, is done so based on a sound commercial footing, we won’t pay over the odds for players, we’ll pay what we consider to be fair value, we only sign players that we believe improve the squad, high ceiling for future gain etc etc
If one of our owners asked for a risk assessment on the business right now, what would that assessment look like? Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty damning and suggest planning for relegation, to include the sale of asset/s that are valuable and will protect the future of the club financially. The alternative, is to spend another £XYZ million on players that don’t fit our desired profile, because that’s all that’s available, and gamble that we stay up. The latter option is far removed from how the stakeholders have conducted business to date, that’s what concerns me.
IMO we’ve already reached critical mass with the Southampton game, if we don’t achieve 3 points from that fixture, I think we go down almost certainly. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:20 - Jan 21 with 1298 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:17 - Jan 21 by NeverSayDie |
Fans and emotions aside, we are a business and we are run by business people. Even the most optimistic individual couldn’t look at our present situation and not be gravely concerned about our chances of survival. At some point, you have to accept the probabilities and plan ahead. Every decision the club has made to date, is done so based on a sound commercial footing, we won’t pay over the odds for players, we’ll pay what we consider to be fair value, we only sign players that we believe improve the squad, high ceiling for future gain etc etc
If one of our owners asked for a risk assessment on the business right now, what would that assessment look like? Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty damning and suggest planning for relegation, to include the sale of asset/s that are valuable and will protect the future of the club financially. The alternative, is to spend another £XYZ million on players that don’t fit our desired profile, because that’s all that’s available, and gamble that we stay up. The latter option is far removed from how the stakeholders have conducted business to date, that’s what concerns me.
IMO we’ve already reached critical mass with the Southampton game, if we don’t achieve 3 points from that fixture, I think we go down almost certainly. |
Selling in Jan would make no sense as a business. If they want to cash in, they can do that in a few months time.
You are way off. [Post edited 21 Jan 0:21]
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:25 - Jan 21 with 1272 views | JackNorthStand |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:17 - Jan 20 by NeverSayDie |
That’s a £20 million profit in the blink of an eye and given our league position, lack of squad depth and apparent difficulty signing the players we need, I can’t see us not giving that sort of offer very serious consideration. At the end of the day, we are a business, owned by business people and this would be a really difficult one to call IMO. |
£20 million profit is nothing if it relegates the club. £20 million isn’t a huge amount in premier league football either, if we do stay up. |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:37 - Jan 21 with 1260 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 23:30 - Jan 20 by NeverSayDie |
I have thick skin, no offence taken and if I’m being honest, I have no idea what “piat” means, I’m hoping it’s a misspelling, otherwise I’m going to feel silly not knowing the meaning🙃 If you look at this purely as a financial transaction, sale of an asset, it makes a lot of sense to realise the profit. There is a “chance” we stay up, but objectively, that chance is very slim and the percentages move against us each game. Everton’s performance v Spurs suggests a possible resurgence under Moyes and Wolves, despite their lowly position and struggles, do have a better squad than us, are they too likely to turn a corner? I don’t know the answer to that, but what we do know, is that we are performing to the best of our ability and seemingly don’t have much more to give with the current squad, unlike other teams that seem to just need to discover some confidence to step up a gear, squad depth and quality come to the fore in the end. A look at the table and our remaining games, vs points and results achieved to date, at best, puts us in a 2 horse survival race with Wolves, a 50/50 gamble and business people do not generally like those odds, or to gamble with no “edge”. The opportunity to recover a huge chunk of what we’ve spent, on just one player, in a very short space of time, may be too much of an opportunity to ignore.
An injury to Delap and that profit vanishes, along with any hope of survival, can the board afford to not take the opportunity if a hefty bid is presented? Would the Directors be remiss in their duties to the company and the future of the club, if they did not seriously consider an offer? |
Like you say our survival is 50/50.
If survival is worth £100m +, why would you sell Delap for a fifth of that? He would still he worth the same amount come the end of the season anyway. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 01:03 - Jan 21 with 1230 views | NeverSayDie |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:37 - Jan 21 by Blue_In_Boston |
Like you say our survival is 50/50.
If survival is worth £100m +, why would you sell Delap for a fifth of that? He would still he worth the same amount come the end of the season anyway. |
It’s actually worse than 50/50 in a straight dog fight with Wolves, but I didn’t want to get hung up on probabilities and percentages too much, I was aiming to try and understand the mindset of our owners currently and how that could/would affect a decision to sell Delap, should an offer come in for him. It’s easy for us to say we wouldn’t do it, but from a financial and business perspective, it actually makes a lot of sense and more in keeping with the principles our owners have shown so far, BUT it would likely remove any chance of survival and football isn’t a normal business, so you never know, but I think it would be foolish to rule it out completely. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 01:17 - Jan 21 with 1212 views | Illinoisblue |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:17 - Jan 21 by NeverSayDie |
Fans and emotions aside, we are a business and we are run by business people. Even the most optimistic individual couldn’t look at our present situation and not be gravely concerned about our chances of survival. At some point, you have to accept the probabilities and plan ahead. Every decision the club has made to date, is done so based on a sound commercial footing, we won’t pay over the odds for players, we’ll pay what we consider to be fair value, we only sign players that we believe improve the squad, high ceiling for future gain etc etc
If one of our owners asked for a risk assessment on the business right now, what would that assessment look like? Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty damning and suggest planning for relegation, to include the sale of asset/s that are valuable and will protect the future of the club financially. The alternative, is to spend another £XYZ million on players that don’t fit our desired profile, because that’s all that’s available, and gamble that we stay up. The latter option is far removed from how the stakeholders have conducted business to date, that’s what concerns me.
IMO we’ve already reached critical mass with the Southampton game, if we don’t achieve 3 points from that fixture, I think we go down almost certainly. |
There’s too much nonsense in that post to even begin to unravel it all. And you’re not really living up to your username.
Maybe you’re trolling? 🤷 |  |
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 01:57 - Jan 21 with 1175 views | NeverSayDie |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 01:17 - Jan 21 by Illinoisblue |
There’s too much nonsense in that post to even begin to unravel it all. And you’re not really living up to your username.
Maybe you’re trolling? 🤷 |
lol, no, might be overthinking it though 🧐
My preferred route, is that we put two fingers up to the FA and PSR, sign Rashford for the rest of the season on loan, buy Garnacho and Cunha (screw you Wolves) hijack Walkers move to Milan, bring De Gea in as number 1, Matic in at CM, plus Luiz and hop aboard HMS pi55 the rest of the season, who gives a feck about a points deduction, we’d still be better than anyone else coming up and would be assured continued Prem football, that is genuinely what I’d like to do and like the owners to do, but we all know they just won’t unfortunately. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 03:30 - Jan 21 with 1140 views | Illinoisblue |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 01:57 - Jan 21 by NeverSayDie |
lol, no, might be overthinking it though 🧐
My preferred route, is that we put two fingers up to the FA and PSR, sign Rashford for the rest of the season on loan, buy Garnacho and Cunha (screw you Wolves) hijack Walkers move to Milan, bring De Gea in as number 1, Matic in at CM, plus Luiz and hop aboard HMS pi55 the rest of the season, who gives a feck about a points deduction, we’d still be better than anyone else coming up and would be assured continued Prem football, that is genuinely what I’d like to do and like the owners to do, but we all know they just won’t unfortunately. |
Quite the plot twist there. | |
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 05:52 - Jan 21 with 1094 views | smithy69 |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:17 - Jan 20 by NeverSayDie |
That’s a £20 million profit in the blink of an eye and given our league position, lack of squad depth and apparent difficulty signing the players we need, I can’t see us not giving that sort of offer very serious consideration. At the end of the day, we are a business, owned by business people and this would be a really difficult one to call IMO. |
20 million profit is nothing compared to the money you get for staying up
Zero chance of him going in Jan - and zero zero chance of him going for that tiny amount | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:40 - Jan 21 with 1052 views | RIPbobby |
Won't batter an eyelid until it gets over 80 million quid. |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:42 - Jan 21 with 1052 views | Len_Brennan |
There is a reasonable chance that Tuchel will include him in his squad for March; if he was to even get a 10 minute runout for a cap, that would add an extra £10m+ to the fee just there - many contracts for young players with potential included an add on clause for international debut, especially if it is England.
The only possible way we would consider a January sale, is if he were loaned back for the rest of the season, but much of the fee was paid up front to allow us sign another player to help fight relegation, or if we got another player from perhaps Chelsea or Liverpool (Doak) now as part of the deal.
Whether we stay up or go down, he will surely leave in the Summer, so 'dealing' now in order to help avoid relegation, could make some level of sense, but only as long as we'd secure him on loan until May. [Post edited 21 Jan 6:46]
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:44 - Jan 21 with 1046 views | phillev231069 |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:28 - Jan 20 by baxterbasics |
I'm more concerned that he's only scored 2 goals since 10th November, both of which were penalties.
In the last two games he's barely had a sniff of the ball. |
Put him in a side where he's not on his own up front and he'd be prolific. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:53 - Jan 21 with 1030 views | ibbleobble |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:14 - Jan 20 by J2BLUE |
No way would we take £35m.
It would condemn us to relegation. |
So obvious, right? The PL is worth £150m + to us so why would we sell him for a paltry £35m? He’s going nowhere this season - the summer may be a different story… | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:57 - Jan 21 with 1027 views | Len_Brennan |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 06:42 - Jan 21 by Len_Brennan |
There is a reasonable chance that Tuchel will include him in his squad for March; if he was to even get a 10 minute runout for a cap, that would add an extra £10m+ to the fee just there - many contracts for young players with potential included an add on clause for international debut, especially if it is England.
The only possible way we would consider a January sale, is if he were loaned back for the rest of the season, but much of the fee was paid up front to allow us sign another player to help fight relegation, or if we got another player from perhaps Chelsea or Liverpool (Doak) now as part of the deal.
Whether we stay up or go down, he will surely leave in the Summer, so 'dealing' now in order to help avoid relegation, could make some level of sense, but only as long as we'd secure him on loan until May. [Post edited 21 Jan 6:46]
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As for the fee, it has to be £70m st least given his impact, age, English premium, potential, position & style.
I can't think of a footballer in recent times, who better fits the profile of what pretty much all the top (richest) clubs in England, and beyond, are looking for right now.
Chelsea & Spurs are mentioned a lot, but Liverpool, Arsenal & Man Utd are all in desperate need of a proper centre forward to lead the line, link with the other forwards around & behind him, and being a goalscorer first & foremost.
Throw in some top European clubs & who is to say we won't have a bidding war driving the fee up to £100m. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 07:39 - Jan 21 with 978 views | Dubtractor |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:28 - Jan 20 by baxterbasics |
I'm more concerned that he's only scored 2 goals since 10th November, both of which were penalties.
In the last two games he's barely had a sniff of the ball. |
He looks like a tired player who could do with a rest.
If only we could sign another striker..... |  |
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 07:49 - Jan 21 with 965 views | billlm |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 22:17 - Jan 20 by SitfcB |
Selling Delap would effectively relegate us.
The club won’t do that.
-ENDS- |
Oops meant to uppy |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 07:56 - Jan 21 with 959 views | Meadowlark |
Not everywhere I look.
I think youre deliberately searching it out.
No mention on Radio 4 this morning........ |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:04 - Jan 21 with 947 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:17 - Jan 21 by NeverSayDie |
Fans and emotions aside, we are a business and we are run by business people. Even the most optimistic individual couldn’t look at our present situation and not be gravely concerned about our chances of survival. At some point, you have to accept the probabilities and plan ahead. Every decision the club has made to date, is done so based on a sound commercial footing, we won’t pay over the odds for players, we’ll pay what we consider to be fair value, we only sign players that we believe improve the squad, high ceiling for future gain etc etc
If one of our owners asked for a risk assessment on the business right now, what would that assessment look like? Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty damning and suggest planning for relegation, to include the sale of asset/s that are valuable and will protect the future of the club financially. The alternative, is to spend another £XYZ million on players that don’t fit our desired profile, because that’s all that’s available, and gamble that we stay up. The latter option is far removed from how the stakeholders have conducted business to date, that’s what concerns me.
IMO we’ve already reached critical mass with the Southampton game, if we don’t achieve 3 points from that fixture, I think we go down almost certainly. |
Advice: less is more. If you stop now, you might get away with people thinking your concern is genuine and that you're not just on a wind-up. Don't overdo it and out yourself before you've even got going. |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:17 - Jan 21 with 898 views | Vic |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 23:30 - Jan 20 by NeverSayDie |
I have thick skin, no offence taken and if I’m being honest, I have no idea what “piat” means, I’m hoping it’s a misspelling, otherwise I’m going to feel silly not knowing the meaning🙃 If you look at this purely as a financial transaction, sale of an asset, it makes a lot of sense to realise the profit. There is a “chance” we stay up, but objectively, that chance is very slim and the percentages move against us each game. Everton’s performance v Spurs suggests a possible resurgence under Moyes and Wolves, despite their lowly position and struggles, do have a better squad than us, are they too likely to turn a corner? I don’t know the answer to that, but what we do know, is that we are performing to the best of our ability and seemingly don’t have much more to give with the current squad, unlike other teams that seem to just need to discover some confidence to step up a gear, squad depth and quality come to the fore in the end. A look at the table and our remaining games, vs points and results achieved to date, at best, puts us in a 2 horse survival race with Wolves, a 50/50 gamble and business people do not generally like those odds, or to gamble with no “edge”. The opportunity to recover a huge chunk of what we’ve spent, on just one player, in a very short space of time, may be too much of an opportunity to ignore.
An injury to Delap and that profit vanishes, along with any hope of survival, can the board afford to not take the opportunity if a hefty bid is presented? Would the Directors be remiss in their duties to the company and the future of the club, if they did not seriously consider an offer? |
Haha - I know the feeling of seeing words on the interweb and not knowing what they mean - frequently makes me feel old. Google and my children are my best friend on these things. But in this instance ‘piat’ is just indeed a typo. Should have been post so you’re not looking silly.
But on your big question about Delap and selling - I’m not seeing one person agreeing with you or sharing your concerns in this thread so I think that’s your answer. If you keep doubling down you will confirm my thoughts that you might be Frimmers reborn! |  |
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:33 - Jan 21 with 878 views | OldFart71 |
I think you said it all in your first sentence. Chelsea and Spurs. That's not taking into account maybe Liverpool who will most likely lose Salah at the end of this season. Strikers are like hens teeth at the moment with someone like Delap who to be quite honest has to do everything at the moment in shall we say a better team than Ipswich with more forward support and a stronger midfield would get you 25 goals a season. That's worth a minimum of £140 million to a club. I think a starting figure would be 70-80 million and bearing in mind there's no replacement available currently for him that would cost Town any chance of staying in the Premier League. | | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:36 - Jan 21 with 866 views | Dubtractor |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:04 - Jan 21 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Advice: less is more. If you stop now, you might get away with people thinking your concern is genuine and that you're not just on a wind-up. Don't overdo it and out yourself before you've even got going. |
Username ought to be changed from 'Never say die' to 'let's pack it in and give up now'. | |
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| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 09:44 - Jan 21 with 784 views | Churchman |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 08:17 - Jan 21 by Vic |
Haha - I know the feeling of seeing words on the interweb and not knowing what they mean - frequently makes me feel old. Google and my children are my best friend on these things. But in this instance ‘piat’ is just indeed a typo. Should have been post so you’re not looking silly.
But on your big question about Delap and selling - I’m not seeing one person agreeing with you or sharing your concerns in this thread so I think that’s your answer. If you keep doubling down you will confirm my thoughts that you might be Frimmers reborn! |
I think you will find a Piat is a ‘Projector, Infantry, Anti Tank‘ weapon a bit like a bazooka or Panzerfaust. It was heavy, awkward and in early versions unreliable. It was pretty powerful though - certainly enough to give a German armoured vehicle crew a bad day.
Back to this thread, it looks like a bit of Norwich trolling to me. Zzzz |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 09:57 - Jan 21 with 769 views | BlueOura |
We have just spent another 20m on a young English talent, what on earth makes you think we would sell our prise asset for a mere 20m profit, in January, when we are still looking to add a no. 9 ourselves?
As others have said, it's not going to happen, so you can stop worrying. |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 10:08 - Jan 21 with 739 views | peterleeblue |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 00:17 - Jan 21 by NeverSayDie |
Fans and emotions aside, we are a business and we are run by business people. Even the most optimistic individual couldn’t look at our present situation and not be gravely concerned about our chances of survival. At some point, you have to accept the probabilities and plan ahead. Every decision the club has made to date, is done so based on a sound commercial footing, we won’t pay over the odds for players, we’ll pay what we consider to be fair value, we only sign players that we believe improve the squad, high ceiling for future gain etc etc
If one of our owners asked for a risk assessment on the business right now, what would that assessment look like? Unfortunately, I think it would be pretty damning and suggest planning for relegation, to include the sale of asset/s that are valuable and will protect the future of the club financially. The alternative, is to spend another £XYZ million on players that don’t fit our desired profile, because that’s all that’s available, and gamble that we stay up. The latter option is far removed from how the stakeholders have conducted business to date, that’s what concerns me.
IMO we’ve already reached critical mass with the Southampton game, if we don’t achieve 3 points from that fixture, I think we go down almost certainly. |
The odds are probably around 70/30 against us and in favour of Wolves.
Ideally for some belief and momentum we need to beat Southampton.
Defeat though is by no means certain relegation.
If we can nudge the Leicester , Bournemouth, Brentford return games in our favour then we have just as much a chance. Not least we have cup finals v Everton / Wolves / Palace / West Ham. We have taken points of Spurs and Man Utd this season.
Obvious I know but we need to get back to our best. |  | | |
| I’m becoming more worried about Delap on 11:49 - Jan 21 with 674 views | NeverSayDie |
Thank you all for your replies. This was by no means a "troll" as has been suggested by 1 or 2, but a genuine thought/concern that had popped up in my mind.
Looking through all your responses has brought up several factors that I hadn't considered, or considered well enough. We aren't risking "all the profit" but rather a small part of it if we are relegated (assuming asset values drop x% if relegation comes to pass) so the "gamble" is actually just a small part of the current asset value, not the whole thing, which now makes me think it's extremely unlikely we'd sell him and almost certainly relegate ourselves. Additionally, if Delap was invited to join the senior England squad at some point, surely that would increase his value, or is that already factored in due to the media hype?
With your help, my mind has been put to ease, so thank you all. Can we please now set about making the signings that are going to win us the battle of survival!!!!!! | | | |
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