| Axel Rudakubana…. 12:48 - Jan 23 with 15357 views | Bloots |
….removed from the court during his sentencing hearing because he claimed to “feel ill”.
Get the scumbag murderer back in there to listen to the effects his disgusting crimes have had on people.
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:12 - Jan 25 with 1179 views | Ryorry |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
… “through no fault of his own”
Whaaaaat?
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:32 - Jan 25 with 1136 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:09 - Jan 23 by _clive_baker_ |
Lets call a spade a spade here, there are real victims in all of this, but that c*** isn't one of them. I'm sick of people leaping to the defence of sick and twisted people like him in the name of mental health. You could probably argue that anyone messed up enough to kill has some kind of disorder, certainly serial killers, but it doesn't mean society has to pander to them or be fearful of calling out their vile actions. Lots of people suffer with mental health challenges every day and still manage to be law abiding citizens who don't plan and execute the pre meditated murder of innocent children. Calling him a victim after a crime like this is completely nonsensical, and frankly offensive.
Stick him on the chair and I'll press the button myself. |
Absolutely. To be able to commit any premeditated murder, you need to have some kind of mental disturbance, let alone to murder children. Imagine saying Ian Huntley or Ian Brady were victims though, it’s a nonsense.
Also pretty telling that as far as I can tell they never even tried to claim diminished responsibility in this case. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:42 - Jan 25 with 1110 views | lowhouseblue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:12 - Jan 25 by Ryorry |
… “through no fault of his own”
Whaaaaat?
Words fail. |
to be fair to the poster, what he is doing, by extending an argument to a blatantly ridiculous extreme, is to show the consequences of the mind set that says: everyone's a victim, no one is responsible for their actions, everything people do is due to their past / other people / capitalism / the state. we should be thanking him for the clarity he has brought. |  |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:44 - Jan 25 with 1104 views | Ryorry |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:32 - Jan 25 by tractorboy1978 |
Absolutely. To be able to commit any premeditated murder, you need to have some kind of mental disturbance, let alone to murder children. Imagine saying Ian Huntley or Ian Brady were victims though, it’s a nonsense.
Also pretty telling that as far as I can tell they never even tried to claim diminished responsibility in this case. |
Am obviously no expert on mh, but seems to me he gave himself away by claiming to “feel ill” at that point from the dock.
Someone genuinely ill, whether mentally or physically, would, err, have simply just actually *been* ill, wouldn’t they?? | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:59 - Jan 25 with 1050 views | Ryorry |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:42 - Jan 25 by lowhouseblue |
to be fair to the poster, what he is doing, by extending an argument to a blatantly ridiculous extreme, is to show the consequences of the mind set that says: everyone's a victim, no one is responsible for their actions, everything people do is due to their past / other people / capitalism / the state. we should be thanking him for the clarity he has brought. |
There is a debate to be had (I think it was you who raised it earlier?) that anyone committing heinous murders like this must by definition be insane, and I’ve sometimes been inclined towards that view myself in the past - but not in this case, after reading the horrific details, including what was found in the perpetrator’s possessions and online history. Wonder if poster Zx has seen/read that. | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:23 - Jan 25 with 972 views | lowhouseblue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:59 - Jan 25 by Ryorry |
There is a debate to be had (I think it was you who raised it earlier?) that anyone committing heinous murders like this must by definition be insane, and I’ve sometimes been inclined towards that view myself in the past - but not in this case, after reading the horrific details, including what was found in the perpetrator’s possessions and online history. Wonder if poster Zx has seen/read that. |
i find it very hard to reconcile such acts with sanity - but for me that is also true of terrorist atrocities. but clearly people can develop a world view - be that ideological, religious, nihilistic, or fetishising violence - through which they can justify their barbarity. essentially they do know what they're doing and, for whatever reason, they make that choice. the same with concentration camp guards. so unless a psychiatric assessment says someone has lost any sense of reality or cause and effect, then, for me, they remain responsible. in this case he wasn't found unfit to plead, no plea of diminished responsibility was offered, and, to the best of my knowledge, no psychiatric evidence was offered. | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:27 - Jan 25 with 953 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:23 - Jan 25 by lowhouseblue |
i find it very hard to reconcile such acts with sanity - but for me that is also true of terrorist atrocities. but clearly people can develop a world view - be that ideological, religious, nihilistic, or fetishising violence - through which they can justify their barbarity. essentially they do know what they're doing and, for whatever reason, they make that choice. the same with concentration camp guards. so unless a psychiatric assessment says someone has lost any sense of reality or cause and effect, then, for me, they remain responsible. in this case he wasn't found unfit to plead, no plea of diminished responsibility was offered, and, to the best of my knowledge, no psychiatric evidence was offered. |
People are conflating mental capacity with ideas of mental disturbance and messed up "wiring".
There is little doubt that he knew what he was doing and made active choices.
Equally though, he plainly didn't get to the age of 13 and decide "you know what, I choose to be a psychopath". There was either something messed up in his psychological make up, or development or both. | | | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:37 - Jan 25 with 928 views | lowhouseblue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:27 - Jan 25 by redrickstuhaart |
People are conflating mental capacity with ideas of mental disturbance and messed up "wiring".
There is little doubt that he knew what he was doing and made active choices.
Equally though, he plainly didn't get to the age of 13 and decide "you know what, I choose to be a psychopath". There was either something messed up in his psychological make up, or development or both. |
but then why not apply the exact same logic to people who commit terrorist atrocities? why see one way of rationalising extreme violence as comprehensible (they want to express an ideology or be martyrs), but another way of rationalising the same (eg a fascination with violence for its own sake) as 'something messed up in his psychological make up, or development or both.'? (i've no idea of the answer by the way) | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:39 - Jan 25 with 905 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:37 - Jan 25 by lowhouseblue |
but then why not apply the exact same logic to people who commit terrorist atrocities? why see one way of rationalising extreme violence as comprehensible (they want to express an ideology or be martyrs), but another way of rationalising the same (eg a fascination with violence for its own sake) as 'something messed up in his psychological make up, or development or both.'? (i've no idea of the answer by the way) |
Nobody has done those things.
Though it is of course well established that people can be radicalised and influenced. Which generally isn't their active choice either. [Post edited 25 Jan 9:40]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:41 - Jan 25 with 890 views | lowhouseblue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:39 - Jan 25 by redrickstuhaart |
Nobody has done those things.
Though it is of course well established that people can be radicalised and influenced. Which generally isn't their active choice either. [Post edited 25 Jan 9:40]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:59 - Jan 25 with 801 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:41 - Jan 25 by lowhouseblue |
what things has nobody done? |
I read too quickly on the way out to football. Thought you were saying people were equating those things. | | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 10:11 - Jan 25 with 777 views | Churchman |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 09:37 - Jan 25 by lowhouseblue |
but then why not apply the exact same logic to people who commit terrorist atrocities? why see one way of rationalising extreme violence as comprehensible (they want to express an ideology or be martyrs), but another way of rationalising the same (eg a fascination with violence for its own sake) as 'something messed up in his psychological make up, or development or both.'? (i've no idea of the answer by the way) |
I think these things can be over thought. There are good people and bad people. Just about everybody knows right and wrong from the age of 10. It’s as simple as that. Unhinged, wiring gone wrong, bad circumstances, this that or the other, I don’t care. The welfare of the victims is what I’m interested in and getting creatures like the thing we are discussing out of society. Yes, a binary view, but it’s how I see it.
While 99.99% would never do what this animal did, there are many people that enjoy extreme violence sadly. This is not an opinion. It’s how it is. You will never educate out the relish and adrenaline high some people get from it. You only have to look at the ‘execution tourists’ amongst German soldiers with Leica cameras taking pics to know that, let alone the 1000s of willing participants. Don’t get me wrong, you’d get plenty of volunteers to man firing squads in this country. It’s just how some people are.
When alls said and done, nature or nurture, keep it simple. A society should have a code of behaviour. A ‘norm’, rules. You adhere or you don’t and face the consequences - or should. I don’t think there’s much to rationalise, just things in our country to be done and improved. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 12:27 - Jan 25 with 670 views | waveneyblue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 10:11 - Jan 25 by Churchman |
I think these things can be over thought. There are good people and bad people. Just about everybody knows right and wrong from the age of 10. It’s as simple as that. Unhinged, wiring gone wrong, bad circumstances, this that or the other, I don’t care. The welfare of the victims is what I’m interested in and getting creatures like the thing we are discussing out of society. Yes, a binary view, but it’s how I see it.
While 99.99% would never do what this animal did, there are many people that enjoy extreme violence sadly. This is not an opinion. It’s how it is. You will never educate out the relish and adrenaline high some people get from it. You only have to look at the ‘execution tourists’ amongst German soldiers with Leica cameras taking pics to know that, let alone the 1000s of willing participants. Don’t get me wrong, you’d get plenty of volunteers to man firing squads in this country. It’s just how some people are.
When alls said and done, nature or nurture, keep it simple. A society should have a code of behaviour. A ‘norm’, rules. You adhere or you don’t and face the consequences - or should. I don’t think there’s much to rationalise, just things in our country to be done and improved. |
Sensible, straight forward and well worded. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 13:41 - Jan 26 with 478 views | Broadbent23 |
Society and the media has created these monsters. Yes the inmates who he comes across will punish him. I don't know if he knew what the consequences would be. The government needs to drop the age of responsibility to at least the age of 12 where serious injury is the likely result. Because our local services are too easy on individuals very few are punished. There has to be a maximum effort to stop these case individuals growing into heinous monsters. | | | |
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