| Axel Rudakubana…. 12:48 - Jan 23 with 15354 views | Bloots |
….removed from the court during his sentencing hearing because he claimed to “feel ill”.
Get the scumbag murderer back in there to listen to the effects his disgusting crimes have had on people.
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:07 - Jan 23 with 3034 views | positivity |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:03 - Jan 23 by Churchman |
True. Perhaps change the law and apply it retrospectively. Aside from it being right that the creature should be buried in the deepest hole in the ground and only come out in a bag, in theory it will be out at 70 and perfectly capable of attacking children again. Even a 1% possibility is too much. [Post edited 23 Jan 17:04]
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maybe people with more legal knowledge than me can correct me; but surely if he was perfectly capable of attacking children again he wouldn't be let out?
with such a long sentence, you would have to prove you're no longer a threat to society? no such thing as a presidential pardon here? |  |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:08 - Jan 23 with 3038 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:03 - Jan 23 by Churchman |
True. Perhaps change the law and apply it retrospectively. Aside from it being right that the creature should be buried in the deepest hole in the ground and only come out in a bag, in theory it will be out at 70 and perfectly capable of attacking children again. Even a 1% possibility is too much. [Post edited 23 Jan 17:04]
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Two things I’d say here of importance:
1) The minimum being 52 means in theory he is out at 70. That’s correct. But he absolutely will not be out at 70. That just won’t happen. No parole board will let him out. That 52 is quite purely there because it has to be. The judge sentencing notes saying how he should never be let out is more than enough to point the parole board into never releasing him. There’s other factors at play of course but there’s just no chance (1% max) of him actually being released. He just is not safe. The judge was incredibly clever in his wording with his parole application in 2077 in mind.
2) It’s something I remember back in Law A-level that ‘a law changed based one case is a bad law’. They changed it from 21 to 18 after the Manchester bombing brother had his case. But I don’t think changing it again, as Kemi Badenoch has just said should perhaps occur, is the way to go. This is an extreme and emotive case. |  |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:09 - Jan 23 with 3031 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
Lets call a spade a spade here, there are real victims in all of this, but that c*** isn't one of them. I'm sick of people leaping to the defence of sick and twisted people like him in the name of mental health. You could probably argue that anyone messed up enough to kill has some kind of disorder, certainly serial killers, but it doesn't mean society has to pander to them or be fearful of calling out their vile actions. Lots of people suffer with mental health challenges every day and still manage to be law abiding citizens who don't plan and execute the pre meditated murder of innocent children. Calling him a victim after a crime like this is completely nonsensical, and frankly offensive.
Stick him on the chair and I'll press the button myself. |  | | |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 23 with 3032 views | MattinLondon |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:04 - Jan 23 by The_Romford_Blue |
You could maybe make the case that to start his post how he has (that first line in particular), is quite possibly trolling. |
Of course it’s not trolling. I thought that it was a considered post - I don’t agree with all of it but that doesn’t mean it’s trolling. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:13 - Jan 23 with 2982 views | itfcjoe |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
He’s not a victim, he’s an evil bastard and people shouldn’t make excuses for him - mental health or not people are responsible for their actions. |  |
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:13 - Jan 23 with 2977 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 23 by MattinLondon |
Of course it’s not trolling. I thought that it was a considered post - I don’t agree with all of it but that doesn’t mean it’s trolling. |
But look how he’s started the post. His very first line is saying that there’s only victims. As if to suggest the perpetrator is on the same level as the kids killed. | |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:17 - Jan 23 with 2939 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
I’ve no issue with the broader point around the need for mental health sufferers who have committed crimes to sometimes also be considered victims* and to receive the help they need. I also agree that mental health provision has been woefully underfunded (as with everything else). This doesn’t seem to be a mental health issue though - if he had significant mental health issues that meant he didn’t understand what he was doing, they would have been brought up as a mitigating factor. He certainly seems to have been radicalised, but obviously that’s not the same thing.
*Is victim the right word? I think a word like sufferer would be better, as victim implies an external action upon them. [Post edited 23 Jan 17:36]
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:19 - Jan 23 with 2910 views | waveneyblue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 23 by MattinLondon |
Of course it’s not trolling. I thought that it was a considered post - I don’t agree with all of it but that doesn’t mean it’s trolling. |
The worrying take from your comment, is that you thought it was "a considered post".
If the poster thinks like that - fine, its his prerogative and all that
But to share it with others, nah, I'm not having that.
It actually makes me feel sick knowing that evil sh1t is going to get a warm room to live in and food, let alone the "care" he needs. [Post edited 23 Jan 17:22]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:24 - Jan 23 with 2876 views | Churchman |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:07 - Jan 23 by positivity |
maybe people with more legal knowledge than me can correct me; but surely if he was perfectly capable of attacking children again he wouldn't be let out?
with such a long sentence, you would have to prove you're no longer a threat to society? no such thing as a presidential pardon here? |
How does anyone know what somebody is capable of if they’ve done something like that? And what is proof? Good behaviour? Answering questions correctly or slicing both hands off?
There are legal people on here who will be able to correct my ignorance on this subject and fill in the obvious knowledge gap hopefully.
I chose 1% as a random ‘it’s highly unlikely’ figure but if it’s 0.1% that’s too much and what right does that thing have to any form of freedom anyway? Even a day? None in my book. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:25 - Jan 23 with 2837 views | positivity |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:24 - Jan 23 by Churchman |
How does anyone know what somebody is capable of if they’ve done something like that? And what is proof? Good behaviour? Answering questions correctly or slicing both hands off?
There are legal people on here who will be able to correct my ignorance on this subject and fill in the obvious knowledge gap hopefully.
I chose 1% as a random ‘it’s highly unlikely’ figure but if it’s 0.1% that’s too much and what right does that thing have to any form of freedom anyway? Even a day? None in my book. |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:37 - Jan 23 with 2769 views | textbackup |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 16:42 - Jan 23 by NeedhamChris |
Whilst I understand the sentiment and the reasoning, I think it's a bad idea to make changes to the law based on individual emotive cases.
He'll be 70 - and that's if he's then deemed safe (which there's no guarantee he will be). I think the justice system has done it's job reasonably well today. |
Be smart if he gets a life ending illness a few days before release really. And then run over as he walks out of the prison door |  |
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:41 - Jan 23 with 2777 views | MattinLondon |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:19 - Jan 23 by waveneyblue |
The worrying take from your comment, is that you thought it was "a considered post".
If the poster thinks like that - fine, its his prerogative and all that
But to share it with others, nah, I'm not having that.
It actually makes me feel sick knowing that evil sh1t is going to get a warm room to live in and food, let alone the "care" he needs. [Post edited 23 Jan 17:22]
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The worrying take from your post is that you seemingly only want posts which reflect your own opinion.
It was a considered post as it was well thought out and he gave a good example for his chain of thought. | | | |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:57 - Jan 23 with 2694 views | waveneyblue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:41 - Jan 23 by MattinLondon |
The worrying take from your post is that you seemingly only want posts which reflect your own opinion.
It was a considered post as it was well thought out and he gave a good example for his chain of thought. |
Yeah, it's just my "own" opinion.
I'm completely on my "own"
I'm saying nothing further to you purely on the basis I would probably be banned. | | | |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 18:00 - Jan 23 with 2651 views | MattinLondon |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:57 - Jan 23 by waveneyblue |
Yeah, it's just my "own" opinion.
I'm completely on my "own"
I'm saying nothing further to you purely on the basis I would probably be banned. |
Isn’t what I said.
But I don’t particularly care what you say to me and I doubt that you’ll be banned. [Post edited 23 Jan 18:04]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 18:22 - Jan 23 with 2483 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 13:20 - Jan 23 by bluelagos |
Is a really hard one. Agree that people who are a genuine danger to others shouldn't be walking the streets, but how on earth can you judge that?
Someone who had committed no crime but is mentally ill can't just be locked up "just in case".
So a judgement has to be made and sometimes *with hindsight those making the assessments will get it wrong. Or they get it right but someone's illness gets worse or maybe they refuse medication.
Point being, am sure there will be lessons, but am also sure it is an incredibly difficult area to work in and blaming those who missed things is way too tempting/simple. Proper reflection will be needed from all involved. |
It looks like there will be a review. Hopefully it will help to inform policy across the Criminal Justice system, as well as in areas such as Youth Work and Educational Welfare, which are vital networks to engage and support disaffected young people early on, which (in my opinion) has to be a priority for any Prevent strategy.
All these things cost money. | | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 18:53 - Jan 23 with 2361 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 16:35 - Jan 23 by strikalite |
52 bullets to the head would have been better, how much will 52 years inside cost I wonder... |
Personally I think the death penalty wouldn't have the effect you'd want it to. It would simply mean that people could do such things without having to ever serve any punishment and punishment is a key part of the whole point of prison.
At the end of the day if you are one of these psychopaths who are doing something like this, spending tens of thousands of days with no freedom locked up without any other prospect of it changing, whilst fellow prisoners also make your life a living hell is likely to be far more uncomfortable than putting up with prison for a few months then being put out your misery. | |
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 19:33 - Jan 23 with 2248 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:57 - Jan 23 by waveneyblue |
Yeah, it's just my "own" opinion.
I'm completely on my "own"
I'm saying nothing further to you purely on the basis I would probably be banned. |
Nobody here committed this horrible crime and nobody here was not sickened by it. Your anger at people on this board is misdirected. | |
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 20:29 - Jan 23 with 2026 views | BloomBlue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 19:33 - Jan 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Nobody here committed this horrible crime and nobody here was not sickened by it. Your anger at people on this board is misdirected. |
I'm still struggling with all the details from the case. I've seen it twice on TV and read it about 6 times, but how does a family recover from knowing their 8 year old daughter had 122 knife wounds. I cannot even imagine, that's 122 seperate wounds. What went through that little girls mind as she left this world. Her poor, poor family, they will have that in their minds every day for the rest of their lives.
A life sentence for them, a potential (very small admittedly) for that scum to get out when he's 70. |  | | |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 21:24 - Jan 23 with 1947 views | waveneyblue |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 19:33 - Jan 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Nobody here committed this horrible crime and nobody here was not sickened by it. Your anger at people on this board is misdirected. |
So I'm not allowed to point out that ZXSpectrum or whatever his name is was wrong, like many many people have. I'm also pretty sure others opinions were more "forthright" than mine.
May I ask why you are singling me out please. [Post edited 23 Jan 21:44]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 04:48 - Jan 24 with 1750 views | Benters |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 17:37 - Jan 23 by textbackup |
Be smart if he gets a life ending illness a few days before release really. And then run over as he walks out of the prison door |
We live in hope. |  |
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 08:39 - Jan 24 with 1594 views | RobTheMonk |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
You don't plan and then execute the horrific murder of three young girls, and the wounding of many others and get to play the victim card. This was premeditated.
The subsequent lack of any empathy... there's no words.
Evil personified. Calling him a victim is insulting. |  | | |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 10:00 - Jan 24 with 1450 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 15:55 - Jan 23 by ColchesterBlue1985 |
What on earth are you talking about!!
The guy researched it methodically, planned and executed exactly what he set out to do!!
The ONLY victims here are those poor poor girls!!
I am actually borderline disgusted that you are trying to offer a "defense" to this animal!!! [Post edited 23 Jan 15:56]
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I agree. It’s an absolutely disgusting post and should be taken down. It’s clearly been posted just for a reaction. Shocking [Post edited 24 Jan 10:04]
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 10:05 - Jan 24 with 1426 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 23 by MattinLondon |
Of course it’s not trolling. I thought that it was a considered post - I don’t agree with all of it but that doesn’t mean it’s trolling. |
Nonsense. It’s clearly been posted for a reaction, which is absolutely sickening [Post edited 24 Jan 10:09]
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| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 10:08 - Jan 24 with 1410 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Terrible, terrible take. (n/t) on 17:57 - Jan 23 by waveneyblue |
Yeah, it's just my "own" opinion.
I'm completely on my "own"
I'm saying nothing further to you purely on the basis I would probably be banned. |
I agree. It’s better just to ignore these types of posts and put the poster on ignore. Better for “mental health” [Post edited 24 Jan 10:10]
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| Axel Rudakubana…. on 06:39 - Jan 25 with 1054 views | jimmyvet |
| Axel Rudakubana…. on 14:59 - Jan 23 by Zx1988 |
I'm prepared for the pile-on, but there are only victims here, including the perpetrator.
Obviously an incredibly unwell man through no fault of his own, who slipped through the cracks despite (it would appear) multiple red flags that could well have pointed towards this sort of thing happening. Hopefully the enquiry will get to the bottom of how this was all allowed to happen, despite AR's previous actions.
Mental health provision in this country is appalling. Case in point is the chap just down the road from me who, this time last year, called the police advising them he was having some sort of episode, and was told (I'm paraphrasing here) to call someone who cares. Instead he killed himself and his family.
AR should be locked away for a very long time, but in a facility where he can receive the treatment and care that he clearly so desperately needs, and well away from the pointless bloodlust of certain sections of society. |
What are your views on some historical figures like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot ? Were they victims as well with potential mental health issues or just evil to the core ? I find your post incredibly offensive to those suffering from a multitude of mental health issues that you call this monster a victim, quite shameful but I guess your some type of narcissist who likes to get a response perhaps makes you feel good about yourself, as you sit on your keyboard in your bedroom. | | | |
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