| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:05 - Jan 24 with 5961 views | GlasgowBlue |
What a c**t. Shouldn't take long to identify him. |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:06 - Jan 24 with 5943 views | ozzy_itfc |
Surely Forest can work out what seat he was in and then ITFC will know who that seat number was sold too and contact them / share the details accordingly. |  | | |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:11 - Jan 24 with 5860 views | Chris_ITFC |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:21 - Jan 24 with 5717 views | tiptreeblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:11 - Jan 24 by Chris_ITFC |
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It looks a bit like Mark Venus lol | | | |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:34 - Jan 24 with 5479 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:06 - Jan 24 by ozzy_itfc |
Surely Forest can work out what seat he was in and then ITFC will know who that seat number was sold too and contact them / share the details accordingly. |
You’d think so. |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:56 - Jan 24 with 5242 views | lowhouseblue |
this is dreadful scummish behaviour. the guy's friends should report him and then ostracise him. it's horrible.
but two points of pedantry concerning the report (seriously, don't read if you don't like pedantry).
first, "are treating it as a hate crime incident". i'm not sure what that means. if a crime has been committed - i guess harassment, or threatening behaviour, or a public order offence - then the fact that it was motivated by hostility to someone with a protected characteristic can be taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing. so first a crime has to be proven. banging on glass and mocking people isn't routinely prosecuted at football games (that's different to inciting hatred on the grounds of race religion or sexual orientation, which are offences on their own, or racist or indecent chanting at a football match which is also an offence all in itself). glass banging and mocking when a person has a protected characteristic doesn't make it a different crime, but i guess in practice the police then chose to adopt a lower threshold in deciding to prosecute. so the police spokesperson or the reporter seem to be confusing a crime aggravated by hostility to a disabled person with a non-crime hate incident, which is a different thing.
second, the police statement that "There is absolutely no place for hate in any of its forms in our communities" is a lovely moral, even quasi-religious statement, but has little to do with policing. we are all free to hate whatever and whoever we wish and there's nothing the police can do to stop us. what we can't do is incite hatred against specific groups or commit a crime because of our hate, and if we do commit a crime and it's motivated by hatred for a group with a protected characteristic then we can expect a harsher sentence as a result.
i told you it was pedantry. |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:11 - Jan 24 with 5059 views | blueasfook |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:56 - Jan 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is dreadful scummish behaviour. the guy's friends should report him and then ostracise him. it's horrible.
but two points of pedantry concerning the report (seriously, don't read if you don't like pedantry).
first, "are treating it as a hate crime incident". i'm not sure what that means. if a crime has been committed - i guess harassment, or threatening behaviour, or a public order offence - then the fact that it was motivated by hostility to someone with a protected characteristic can be taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing. so first a crime has to be proven. banging on glass and mocking people isn't routinely prosecuted at football games (that's different to inciting hatred on the grounds of race religion or sexual orientation, which are offences on their own, or racist or indecent chanting at a football match which is also an offence all in itself). glass banging and mocking when a person has a protected characteristic doesn't make it a different crime, but i guess in practice the police then chose to adopt a lower threshold in deciding to prosecute. so the police spokesperson or the reporter seem to be confusing a crime aggravated by hostility to a disabled person with a non-crime hate incident, which is a different thing.
second, the police statement that "There is absolutely no place for hate in any of its forms in our communities" is a lovely moral, even quasi-religious statement, but has little to do with policing. we are all free to hate whatever and whoever we wish and there's nothing the police can do to stop us. what we can't do is incite hatred against specific groups or commit a crime because of our hate, and if we do commit a crime and it's motivated by hatred for a group with a protected characteristic then we can expect a harsher sentence as a result.
i told you it was pedantry. |
I remember at a budgie derby many moons ago, the whole of the town support mocked a fat Norwich fan singing "Who ate all the pies...". I don't think being chubby is a protected characteristic though? |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:14 - Jan 24 with 5018 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:56 - Jan 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is dreadful scummish behaviour. the guy's friends should report him and then ostracise him. it's horrible.
but two points of pedantry concerning the report (seriously, don't read if you don't like pedantry).
first, "are treating it as a hate crime incident". i'm not sure what that means. if a crime has been committed - i guess harassment, or threatening behaviour, or a public order offence - then the fact that it was motivated by hostility to someone with a protected characteristic can be taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing. so first a crime has to be proven. banging on glass and mocking people isn't routinely prosecuted at football games (that's different to inciting hatred on the grounds of race religion or sexual orientation, which are offences on their own, or racist or indecent chanting at a football match which is also an offence all in itself). glass banging and mocking when a person has a protected characteristic doesn't make it a different crime, but i guess in practice the police then chose to adopt a lower threshold in deciding to prosecute. so the police spokesperson or the reporter seem to be confusing a crime aggravated by hostility to a disabled person with a non-crime hate incident, which is a different thing.
second, the police statement that "There is absolutely no place for hate in any of its forms in our communities" is a lovely moral, even quasi-religious statement, but has little to do with policing. we are all free to hate whatever and whoever we wish and there's nothing the police can do to stop us. what we can't do is incite hatred against specific groups or commit a crime because of our hate, and if we do commit a crime and it's motivated by hatred for a group with a protected characteristic then we can expect a harsher sentence as a result.
i told you it was pedantry. |
'Hate crime' is recognised and defined in British law (since the 1960s, and expanded to include disability about 20 years ago). This alleged incident could indeed fall into that legal category. | | | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:23 - Jan 24 with 4886 views | textbackup |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:21 - Jan 24 by tiptreeblue |
It looks a bit like Mark Venus lol |
Mick Shipman came to my mind |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:23 - Jan 24 with 4883 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:06 - Jan 24 by ozzy_itfc |
Surely Forest can work out what seat he was in and then ITFC will know who that seat number was sold too and contact them / share the details accordingly. |
It would have been helpful if the faces of six potential witnesses hadn’t been blocked out, |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:25 - Jan 24 with 4859 views | textbackup |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:23 - Jan 24 by Pinewoodblue |
It would have been helpful if the faces of six potential witnesses hadn’t been blocked out, |
You mean so social media gimps could jump on them?
You know how these things go these days, addresses, jobs, families posted online. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:26 - Jan 24 with 4841 views | pointofblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:11 - Jan 24 by blueasfook |
I remember at a budgie derby many moons ago, the whole of the town support mocked a fat Norwich fan singing "Who ate all the pies...". I don't think being chubby is a protected characteristic though? |
I remember it being sung to opposition players.
Hope the guy is caught. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 13:24 - Jan 24 with 4351 views | lowhouseblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:14 - Jan 24 by SuffolkPunchFC |
'Hate crime' is recognised and defined in British law (since the 1960s, and expanded to include disability about 20 years ago). This alleged incident could indeed fall into that legal category. |
no i don't think it is. but please free feel to quote this act from the 60s or the subsequent amendment to it. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 13:40 - Jan 24 with 4181 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Cocaine and Middle Age does not mix well. |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 15:49 - Jan 24 with 3624 views | witchdoctor |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 11:11 - Jan 24 by blueasfook |
I remember at a budgie derby many moons ago, the whole of the town support mocked a fat Norwich fan singing "Who ate all the pies...". I don't think being chubby is a protected characteristic though? |
ha ha..I posted a video of that on youtube…titled fat bloke shuffle..😬 |  | | |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 15:56 - Jan 24 with 3575 views | blueasfook |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 15:49 - Jan 24 by witchdoctor |
ha ha..I posted a video of that on youtube…titled fat bloke shuffle..😬 |
That was the last derby we won at Carrot Rd I think :(
Was a good day out. I think i remember seeing you on the train up [Post edited 24 Jan 15:56]
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:02 - Jan 24 with 3500 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 15:56 - Jan 24 by blueasfook |
That was the last derby we won at Carrot Rd I think :(
Was a good day out. I think i remember seeing you on the train up [Post edited 24 Jan 15:56]
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Would that have been the Haynes handball?
Crikey, that's going back some. |  |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:06 - Jan 24 with 3457 views | blueasfook |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:02 - Jan 24 by gainsboroughblue |
Would that have been the Haynes handball?
Crikey, that's going back some. |
Yep the Danny Haynes handball one. We won 2-1.
Feb 2006. Blimey almost 20 years ago | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:08 - Jan 24 with 3433 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:06 - Jan 24 by blueasfook |
Yep the Danny Haynes handball one. We won 2-1.
Feb 2006. Blimey almost 20 years ago |
I stayed overnight for that one so was able to have sneaky drinks in the morning without getting shunted on and off a train.
However, my hangover was not helped by the sight of so much sickly yellow and green in the Wetherspoons. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:08 - Jan 24 with 3423 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:11 - Jan 24 by Chris_ITFC |
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How do they know he's a Town fan? He looks like he's sitting with a bunch of Norwich fans by the expressions on their faces.
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:15 - Jan 24 with 3377 views | blueasfook |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:08 - Jan 24 by gainsboroughblue |
I stayed overnight for that one so was able to have sneaky drinks in the morning without getting shunted on and off a train.
However, my hangover was not helped by the sight of so much sickly yellow and green in the Wetherspoons. |
Yeah horrible being one of the train crew. Unceremoniously shepherded off/on the train. I remember a rabid budgie gesturing at us (from behind the safety of mesh fence of course) on our journey back to the station. He was giving it large to a few hundred town fans until a couple of coppers got hold of him and dragged him off lol. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:31 - Jan 24 with 3269 views | witchdoctor |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 15:56 - Jan 24 by blueasfook |
That was the last derby we won at Carrot Rd I think :(
Was a good day out. I think i remember seeing you on the train up [Post edited 24 Jan 15:56]
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it was a good day out until plod made us give up our seats for some Nodgers who got on at Diss..wasn’t a happy bunny for sure…threatened to be nicked if I didn’t ..grrrrrr…result made up for it though……
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:44 - Jan 24 with 3188 views | witchdoctor |
had to chuckle a bit about this..I was situated next to the Forest fans …we’re the right side….and a copper said to me that if I repeated a comment I made I’d be arrested…I asked what for and he replied homophobia….what I’d actually said was….I think aimed at Wes who was attacking down the wing ….’go on boy’….which he construed my suffolk accent as being gay boy’..😅😅..luckily there were enough folk around who put him straight…. | | | |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:53 - Jan 24 with 3117 views | blueasfook |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:31 - Jan 24 by witchdoctor |
it was a good day out until plod made us give up our seats for some Nodgers who got on at Diss..wasn’t a happy bunny for sure…threatened to be nicked if I didn’t ..grrrrrr…result made up for it though……
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Oh yeah I remember those budgies getting on. They must have bricked it when they got on the train and saw it was completely full of town fans! They had police babysitting them all the way to Norwich. | |
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| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 16:56 - Jan 24 with 3076 views | Smoresy |
| Nottinghamshire police after a Town fan.. on 10:56 - Jan 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is dreadful scummish behaviour. the guy's friends should report him and then ostracise him. it's horrible.
but two points of pedantry concerning the report (seriously, don't read if you don't like pedantry).
first, "are treating it as a hate crime incident". i'm not sure what that means. if a crime has been committed - i guess harassment, or threatening behaviour, or a public order offence - then the fact that it was motivated by hostility to someone with a protected characteristic can be taken into account as an aggravating factor in sentencing. so first a crime has to be proven. banging on glass and mocking people isn't routinely prosecuted at football games (that's different to inciting hatred on the grounds of race religion or sexual orientation, which are offences on their own, or racist or indecent chanting at a football match which is also an offence all in itself). glass banging and mocking when a person has a protected characteristic doesn't make it a different crime, but i guess in practice the police then chose to adopt a lower threshold in deciding to prosecute. so the police spokesperson or the reporter seem to be confusing a crime aggravated by hostility to a disabled person with a non-crime hate incident, which is a different thing.
second, the police statement that "There is absolutely no place for hate in any of its forms in our communities" is a lovely moral, even quasi-religious statement, but has little to do with policing. we are all free to hate whatever and whoever we wish and there's nothing the police can do to stop us. what we can't do is incite hatred against specific groups or commit a crime because of our hate, and if we do commit a crime and it's motivated by hatred for a group with a protected characteristic then we can expect a harsher sentence as a result.
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Your first point of pedantry has confused me a bit. Initially I thought you were criticising the police and CPS for their term "hate crime", when this precise term doesn't appear in UK legislation to my knowledge (south of the border anyway). I believe these bodies have shared a settled, formal definition of "hate crime" for some time, which comprises several laws across a few Acts of Parliament.
Then you referenced the "inciting hatred" laws, which don't include disability, and that made me think you were putting forward your own, competing, narrower definition of the term, i.e. hate crimes are understood to mean the "inciting hatred" laws only.
But then you finished by acknowledging the strand of hate crime that relates to disability, or at least I think you did, so is it the "crime validity" itself? I wouldn't describe that as pedantry though, if your contention is that you don't believe a crime was actually committed, so my gut feeling is I still haven't understood. | | | |
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