| Latte Lath… 11:04 - Jan 29 with 10103 views | Kieran_Knows |
Gut feeling is that we’ll go back for him. His move to America still not gone through, and Atlanta looking at other players now as well.
Feels the ‘easiest’ deal for us to do at this stage.
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| Latte Lath… on 06:46 - Jan 30 with 2582 views | davblue |
| Latte Lath… on 14:39 - Jan 29 by itfc1108 |
You were quite scathing of my post about Carlton Morris, which is fair enough. But are you seriously saying you would rather muddle through with what we have than sign him. That's just crazy. |
If we don’t believe the player we are signing is going to be a long term addition to the squad then why waste that money? If Sam Szmodics can fill in then to me
That’s more sensible. |  | | |
| Latte Lath… on 07:42 - Jan 30 with 2422 views | ITFCBlues |
| Latte Lath… on 06:46 - Jan 30 by davblue |
If we don’t believe the player we are signing is going to be a long term addition to the squad then why waste that money? If Sam Szmodics can fill in then to me
That’s more sensible. |
Playing Szmodics in that role means completely adapting the way we'd play and we're just not capable of playing that way in this division. |  |
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| Latte Lath… on 07:51 - Jan 30 with 2389 views | Horsham |
| Latte Lath… on 06:46 - Jan 30 by davblue |
If we don’t believe the player we are signing is going to be a long term addition to the squad then why waste that money? If Sam Szmodics can fill in then to me
That’s more sensible. |
I think Szmodics used as a number 9 wouldn’t be the worst fudge in the world if we were capable of dominant possession stats and building attacks different ways consistently but unfortunately we are where we are and that’s not something we can do so the height, pace and power that Delap and Hirst offer are crucial. Of course the next problem is that neither of those two are capable of playing whole games at full tilt so you need both available at all times. Delap will get suspended for at least 2 more games this season, and isn’t immune from injury and gambling on Hirst to be fit doesn’t sound like an especially good bet.
I can imagine a scenario where we do get away without signing another #9 but honestly I think at this stage even a Carlton Morris would be better than nobody. I would imagine we’ve been aiming somewhat higher though. |  | | |
| Latte Lath… on 08:38 - Jan 30 with 2266 views | berkstractorboy |
| Latte Lath… on 14:06 - Jan 29 by Parky |
Just been told we won’t be getting one, unless something comes up last minute. Have been trying all window apparently, but nothing has been successful. |
I just wonder if we are waiting for 5pm Saturday now. Win and we may invest more like in a 3rd striker and/or elsewhere, not take 3 points and maybe we need to consolidate with what we have with more than one eye on the future. |  | | |
| Latte Lath… on 08:50 - Jan 30 with 2197 views | blueasfook |
| Latte Lath… on 16:03 - Jan 29 by PhilTWTD |
Kieran's comments at the presser on Thursday suggested that would be the case.
 McKenna: Third Number Nine the Ideal But There Are Very Few Out There 23rd Jan 2025 15:30Boss Kieran McKenna says the Blues will continue to look to add to their squad before the Monday 3rd February deadline having signed three players already but admits there are “very, very, very few” strikers available to come in as a third out-and-out number nine and Town may end up going into the second half of the season with only two.  24
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Fair enough, I'd rather we hold off than bring in some panic buy who is not a good fit for the team. Let's hope Hirst can remain fit for rest of the season. |  |
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| Latte Lath… on 08:54 - Jan 30 with 2164 views | tonybied |
| Latte Lath… on 08:38 - Jan 30 by berkstractorboy |
I just wonder if we are waiting for 5pm Saturday now. Win and we may invest more like in a 3rd striker and/or elsewhere, not take 3 points and maybe we need to consolidate with what we have with more than one eye on the future. |
I very much doubt we'd be so short-sighted to decide if we're spending millions on one player depending on the result of one league game! |  | | |
| Latte Lath… on 09:02 - Jan 30 with 2130 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Latte Lath… on 08:38 - Jan 30 by berkstractorboy |
I just wonder if we are waiting for 5pm Saturday now. Win and we may invest more like in a 3rd striker and/or elsewhere, not take 3 points and maybe we need to consolidate with what we have with more than one eye on the future. |
yeah I can absolutely see that happening |  |
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| Latte Lath… on 09:41 - Jan 30 with 2020 views | berkstractorboy |
| Latte Lath… on 08:54 - Jan 30 by tonybied |
I very much doubt we'd be so short-sighted to decide if we're spending millions on one player depending on the result of one league game! |
Not really short-sighted it's a very real sense of the predicament we are in.
As I have read elsewhere on the forum, not winning Sat is not necessarily about the points missed, it is likely to really knock the confidence further of the players "if we can't beat Saints at home who can we beat". Equally an incoming player might look at a team not able to beat the bottom side cut adrift and think this is a team that are more likely than not to be relegated. | | | |
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| Latte Lath… on 11:15 - Jan 30 with 1852 views | tonybied |
| Latte Lath… on 09:41 - Jan 30 by berkstractorboy |
Not really short-sighted it's a very real sense of the predicament we are in.
As I have read elsewhere on the forum, not winning Sat is not necessarily about the points missed, it is likely to really knock the confidence further of the players "if we can't beat Saints at home who can we beat". Equally an incoming player might look at a team not able to beat the bottom side cut adrift and think this is a team that are more likely than not to be relegated. |
I think you're being a little over dramatic.
I think our management team will be looking at things in view of the long term, much as they have been since the Gamechanger takeover. Not making knee-jerk decisions based on one game that doesn't save/relegate us.
We don't seem to be targeting current Premier League players so I'm pretty sure most targets would love to showcase their talents in this league and we will most likely be substantially increasing their wages, so there's plenty of reasons why we'd still be able to convince players to sign. The only thing I can think of it could possibly effect is if any players we are trying to sign, our rivals are also trying to sign but there's not been many noises to show that's the case. We managed to convince Delap to sign for us over Southampton in the summer though , and despite us finishing above them last year, most would expect they would be beating us to signings considering the structure and recent Premier League historical pull they would've had over us at that point. [Post edited 30 Jan 11:22]
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| Latte Lath… on 13:29 - Jan 30 with 1661 views | berkstractorboy |
| Latte Lath… on 11:15 - Jan 30 by tonybied |
I think you're being a little over dramatic.
I think our management team will be looking at things in view of the long term, much as they have been since the Gamechanger takeover. Not making knee-jerk decisions based on one game that doesn't save/relegate us.
We don't seem to be targeting current Premier League players so I'm pretty sure most targets would love to showcase their talents in this league and we will most likely be substantially increasing their wages, so there's plenty of reasons why we'd still be able to convince players to sign. The only thing I can think of it could possibly effect is if any players we are trying to sign, our rivals are also trying to sign but there's not been many noises to show that's the case. We managed to convince Delap to sign for us over Southampton in the summer though , and despite us finishing above them last year, most would expect they would be beating us to signings considering the structure and recent Premier League historical pull they would've had over us at that point. [Post edited 30 Jan 11:22]
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And that's exactly my point that Gamechanger etc are looking at the long term view. We could very likely get relegated if we don't win Saturday so any major expense to gamble on survival may well be put off as too risky after the match Saturday. It's not over dramatic, it MUST be something being thought about and if the management team haven't recognised this I would be shocked.
Stop with the 1 game thing, we've played lots of games and struggled to get the points to survive. We now have what is arguably the easiest game of the season at home to a club well adrift. Not easy at all but you would still say the easiest. So whilst that result itself doesn't confirm relegation, it does put into doubt where the other points come from for survival and could well harm any potential recruitment in motion where player(s) are thinking about joining.
Comparing to the Summer is pointless, we had a season of hope ahead and I am sure KMc could sell the project. With 15 games left rather than 38 and sitting 2nd bottom is a harder sell. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 13:40 - Jan 30 with 1589 views | davblue |
| Latte Lath… on 07:51 - Jan 30 by Horsham |
I think Szmodics used as a number 9 wouldn’t be the worst fudge in the world if we were capable of dominant possession stats and building attacks different ways consistently but unfortunately we are where we are and that’s not something we can do so the height, pace and power that Delap and Hirst offer are crucial. Of course the next problem is that neither of those two are capable of playing whole games at full tilt so you need both available at all times. Delap will get suspended for at least 2 more games this season, and isn’t immune from injury and gambling on Hirst to be fit doesn’t sound like an especially good bet.
I can imagine a scenario where we do get away without signing another #9 but honestly I think at this stage even a Carlton Morris would be better than nobody. I would imagine we’ve been aiming somewhat higher though. |
i don't Morris isn't up to it and being lumbered with a guy who we probably don't want, shelling out money and probably a 3 year deal it doesn't make sense to me. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 13:44 - Jan 30 with 1558 views | davblue |
| Latte Lath… on 07:42 - Jan 30 by ITFCBlues |
Playing Szmodics in that role means completely adapting the way we'd play and we're just not capable of playing that way in this division. |
maybe not, but hopefully it wouldn't be long term.
Morris is too static and immobile for how we want to play. Isn't suited to playing up front by himself (Luton fans opinions). I would rather keep our powder dry and find solutions in house than buying him for what would be a reasonable fee plus a 3 year deal, that makes no sense long term carrying a player who ultimately does suit how we want to play. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 13:57 - Jan 30 with 1518 views | Horsham |
| Latte Lath… on 13:40 - Jan 30 by davblue |
i don't Morris isn't up to it and being lumbered with a guy who we probably don't want, shelling out money and probably a 3 year deal it doesn't make sense to me. |
I can buy into your logic for sure, in so much as I’m far from convinced Morris himself is the answer to any question. I think what we ideally need is someone at least in Hirst’s level. I wouldn’t say no to Ipswich throwback of a Whitton/Scowcroft/Walters versatile tall right winger/centre forward to cover two roles rather than recruit a player for each position either. I just feel the in-house options aren’t sufficiently good for our playing style…and if we don’t recruit it’s a racing certainty we’ll see have to find that out a very hard way. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:00 - Jan 30 with 1486 views | PhilTWTD |
| Latte Lath… on 08:50 - Jan 30 by blueasfook |
Fair enough, I'd rather we hold off than bring in some panic buy who is not a good fit for the team. Let's hope Hirst can remain fit for rest of the season. |
Indeed, the final day signings we've made in the past out of nowhere haven't really worked out, thinking back to Ahadme and Camara. |  | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:03 - Jan 30 with 1430 views | positivity |
| Latte Lath… on 14:00 - Jan 30 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, the final day signings we've made in the past out of nowhere haven't really worked out, thinking back to Ahadme and Camara. |
and broja would have been even worse... | |
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| Latte Lath… on 14:08 - Jan 30 with 1357 views | berkstractorboy |
| Latte Lath… on 14:03 - Jan 30 by positivity |
and broja would have been even worse... |
TBF Broja was a long running one and without the medical issues would have been done earlier. Not really surprises like Ahadme and Camara.
For sure we have avoided a big issue with Broja and still don't think Everton have managed to cancel that loan or get another Chelsea player as an alternative. Am sure that's one to watch before end Monday. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:09 - Jan 30 with 1351 views | Horsham |
| Latte Lath… on 14:00 - Jan 30 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, the final day signings we've made in the past out of nowhere haven't really worked out, thinking back to Ahadme and Camara. |
But were those deals really completely out of the blue? Sort of like Ashton’s oppo at Plymouth ringing up and saying ‘unexpectedly we’re willing to deal on Panutche but it’s sold as seen but trust me he’s a nice little runner’? | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:13 - Jan 30 with 1306 views | PhilTWTD |
| Latte Lath… on 14:09 - Jan 30 by Horsham |
But were those deals really completely out of the blue? Sort of like Ashton’s oppo at Plymouth ringing up and saying ‘unexpectedly we’re willing to deal on Panutche but it’s sold as seen but trust me he’s a nice little runner’? |
At best I think we were well down the list by that stage. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:39 - Jan 30 with 1199 views | Horsham |
| Latte Lath… on 14:13 - Jan 30 by PhilTWTD |
At best I think we were well down the list by that stage. |
Cheers! Although on the flip side Walton, Morsy and bloody hell i forget his name but scored that worldy chip top corner finish for us were deadline day deals and things tend get unstuck at the last minute sometimes with deals. Live in hope! | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 14:45 - Jan 30 with 1175 views | tonybied |
| Latte Lath… on 13:29 - Jan 30 by berkstractorboy |
And that's exactly my point that Gamechanger etc are looking at the long term view. We could very likely get relegated if we don't win Saturday so any major expense to gamble on survival may well be put off as too risky after the match Saturday. It's not over dramatic, it MUST be something being thought about and if the management team haven't recognised this I would be shocked.
Stop with the 1 game thing, we've played lots of games and struggled to get the points to survive. We now have what is arguably the easiest game of the season at home to a club well adrift. Not easy at all but you would still say the easiest. So whilst that result itself doesn't confirm relegation, it does put into doubt where the other points come from for survival and could well harm any potential recruitment in motion where player(s) are thinking about joining.
Comparing to the Summer is pointless, we had a season of hope ahead and I am sure KMc could sell the project. With 15 games left rather than 38 and sitting 2nd bottom is a harder sell. |
If we don't bring in any new bodies for the rest of the window it will be because the right players were not available at the right price not because we lost to Southampton.
You think the club with the tagline "Running towards adversity" is going to about-face and change our transfer policy or just pack in and give up with 2 days left of the window? Aston/McKenna will most certainly still do a deal if the right player becomes available regardless of this weekends result.
You took my last paragraph out of context, the main sentiment wasn't comparing our summer dealings. The premise was that were going for players that would be treating us as a progression in their career or a good bump in wages, that doesn't change if we lose on Saturday. The only reason I mentioned the summer was if we ended up battling a rival for a signature, we beat one of these rivals who was arguably in a stronger position than us then, so if we ended up vying with a rival again we know we're in the game. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 15:27 - Jan 30 with 1075 views | berkstractorboy |
| Latte Lath… on 14:45 - Jan 30 by tonybied |
If we don't bring in any new bodies for the rest of the window it will be because the right players were not available at the right price not because we lost to Southampton.
You think the club with the tagline "Running towards adversity" is going to about-face and change our transfer policy or just pack in and give up with 2 days left of the window? Aston/McKenna will most certainly still do a deal if the right player becomes available regardless of this weekends result.
You took my last paragraph out of context, the main sentiment wasn't comparing our summer dealings. The premise was that were going for players that would be treating us as a progression in their career or a good bump in wages, that doesn't change if we lose on Saturday. The only reason I mentioned the summer was if we ended up battling a rival for a signature, we beat one of these rivals who was arguably in a stronger position than us then, so if we ended up vying with a rival again we know we're in the game. |
We agree the club do a deal if the right player is available.
My point many posts back was that the conditions to determine the 'right' player may possibly change as a result of Sat. We might have someone lined up costing £15M right now, but if we pick up just a single point at best that might just get management thinking they don't want to take on the extra £15M burden if the worst happens. We are fighting for realistically 1 safe spot now with 2 or possibly 3 other clubs. Wolves look good going forward and doesn't look like Cunha will leave. If they can sort out the shambles in defence and they are buying defenders then that's a problem. We still aren't a significant attacking threat, time will tell if Jaden and Enciso fix that.
I am basing my opinion on the fact the club have spent a lot of money and increased the wage bill significantly and should we go down there would need to be player sales to balance the books and some will leave as they will have better opportunities than Ipswich can offer in the Championship. I don't know the numbers or indeed the risk appetite for gamechanger, they might be of the opinion if there's 1% chance there's a chance so lets risk it and assume we can sell keep ourselves within financial rules.
You don't see that Saturdays result will change management thinking, I was trying to offer an opinion it might be what the club are thinking. All opinions of course and neither of us are wrong. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 15:27 - Jan 30 with 1074 views | hype313 |
| Latte Lath… on 14:45 - Jan 30 by tonybied |
If we don't bring in any new bodies for the rest of the window it will be because the right players were not available at the right price not because we lost to Southampton.
You think the club with the tagline "Running towards adversity" is going to about-face and change our transfer policy or just pack in and give up with 2 days left of the window? Aston/McKenna will most certainly still do a deal if the right player becomes available regardless of this weekends result.
You took my last paragraph out of context, the main sentiment wasn't comparing our summer dealings. The premise was that were going for players that would be treating us as a progression in their career or a good bump in wages, that doesn't change if we lose on Saturday. The only reason I mentioned the summer was if we ended up battling a rival for a signature, we beat one of these rivals who was arguably in a stronger position than us then, so if we ended up vying with a rival again we know we're in the game. |
I think it's going to be one of those windows where everything explodes in the final few days, you get the impression clubs have been playing poker, and checking everyday until someone goes all in. |  |
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| Latte Lath… on 15:51 - Jan 30 with 976 views | tonybied |
| Latte Lath… on 15:27 - Jan 30 by berkstractorboy |
We agree the club do a deal if the right player is available.
My point many posts back was that the conditions to determine the 'right' player may possibly change as a result of Sat. We might have someone lined up costing £15M right now, but if we pick up just a single point at best that might just get management thinking they don't want to take on the extra £15M burden if the worst happens. We are fighting for realistically 1 safe spot now with 2 or possibly 3 other clubs. Wolves look good going forward and doesn't look like Cunha will leave. If they can sort out the shambles in defence and they are buying defenders then that's a problem. We still aren't a significant attacking threat, time will tell if Jaden and Enciso fix that.
I am basing my opinion on the fact the club have spent a lot of money and increased the wage bill significantly and should we go down there would need to be player sales to balance the books and some will leave as they will have better opportunities than Ipswich can offer in the Championship. I don't know the numbers or indeed the risk appetite for gamechanger, they might be of the opinion if there's 1% chance there's a chance so lets risk it and assume we can sell keep ourselves within financial rules.
You don't see that Saturdays result will change management thinking, I was trying to offer an opinion it might be what the club are thinking. All opinions of course and neither of us are wrong. |
No disagreement from me on your last sentence! Not saying you're wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying I can't see this result will change management's thinking. If they were going to play safe then we wouldn't have spent so much in the summer and would've played it safer, but we've spent big on players that have a good chance of at least holding their value rather than take the cash. I don't think that changes this window regardless. This management team has fought tooth and nail to give the team the best chance of survival, I don't think they will change that at all and start cutting spends, we're in January a couple of points from safety not 5-6 points from safety in march or in Southamptons position. | | | |
| Latte Lath… on 15:59 - Jan 30 with 917 views | Mullet |
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