| VAR errors according to the Premier League 09:31 - Feb 5 with 7095 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Data out today re VAR errors, according to the PL’s Key Match Incidents panel:
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/43320888/revealed-every-var-referee-e
Apparently we’ve not been subject to any clear VAR errors this season however a few incidents where it’s adjudged the referee decision was potentially incorrect, but VAR right not to intervene as not clear cut or outside of scope (2nd yellow cards):
1. Non-penalty award for the foul on Davis at Man City
2. Non-penalty award for the foul on Chaplin against Leicester (apparently the whole panel agreed VAR was right not to review, somehow)
3. Decision not to give Morsy a second yellow against Villa
4. Decision to give Phillips a second yellow against Leicester
Hmm…
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:08 - Feb 5 with 1446 views | PhilTWTD |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 12:08 - Feb 5 by hoppy |
Any mention of Christian Walton being clattered into, and no decision? |
That story is from before that. |  | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:10 - Feb 5 with 1442 views | Blueschev |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 12:54 - Feb 5 by Garv |
Definitely not the same, you're right. I was just pointing out one incident that we were supposedly hard done by (I've never been convinced - Chaplin was looking for it) and one we were lucky with. Delap made every effort to go down, yes there might have been an ounce of contact but it's a dive. |
Looking for it? He was about to shoot and was clattered! |  | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:32 - Feb 5 with 1409 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I hate the whole thing ... why do we not use the monitors to show the referee's.
They agreed by vote that the referee's decision was incorrect but choose not to give him a second look because it is not clear and obvious.
Surely this is where common sense comes into it? Ref can still stick with his decision and be accountable for that. |  | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:36 - Feb 5 with 1405 views | HighgateBlue |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 10:43 - Feb 5 by HighgateBlue |
You can have opinions on all of those incidents, and it's perfectly reasonable for those opinions to differ from the conclusions of this panel. I certainly disagree with some of them.
But I think we do always have to bear in mind that as partisan fans we do not view these incidents objectively. Every set of fans thinks its team has been hard done by. This is a panel who are not pro-Ipswich or anti-Ipswich, and this is their view. It shows that regardless of how one changes VAR (or even scraps it), we're not always going to get the individual decision we want.
If a ref makes a marginal call in our favour, and VAR refers it, there will always be some who say "surely that's referees call, VAR is only supposed to be there for the obvious ones".
If a ref makes a marginal call against us, and VAR doesn't refer it, there will always be some who say "what's the point in having VAR", and "VAR has made refs more careless because they think VAR will sort it, and then they don't".
I think having a panel like this is a good thing. It means that controversial decisions do not get swept under the carpet, but remain in the public domain for scrutiny.
There was never a golden age of all decisions being made correctly, and there never will be. That should be the foundation of any discussion on this issue. Of course that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to find the best system, and the best system probably involves lots of scrutiny and peer review. |
I would add that some might say "you can shove your scrutiny and peer review", because this is football after all, and it is a game of passion and excitement and emotion, and joy, and disappointment. And so those people may be in favour of no scrutiny, and just a ref making a decision on the spot, with no retrospective technological help, for good or for bad.
And I totally get that opinion. If you want to sacrifice an attempt at accuracy on the altar of fan experience, that is a totally respectable view. Waiting for VAR calls certainly sucks some of the joy out of it, and turns real life into more of a computer game.
So I do get it. And this might even be my view, I don't really know for sure - maybe I need to refer it to VAR. But then, is my error clear and obvious? :) |  | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:40 - Feb 5 with 1398 views | Garv |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:32 - Feb 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
I hate the whole thing ... why do we not use the monitors to show the referee's.
They agreed by vote that the referee's decision was incorrect but choose not to give him a second look because it is not clear and obvious.
Surely this is where common sense comes into it? Ref can still stick with his decision and be accountable for that. |
The monitor thing is a farce in my opinion, it's a circus and only undermines the referee. We know what happens when the referee goes to the screen, he overturns his decision. The closer that element of VAR gets to going in the bin, the better.
Referees making more decisions in real time and without the use of slow motion and still images is what is needed, they just need to apply more common sense to their decision making. Wising up to players cheating would be a good start. |  |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:52 - Feb 5 with 1369 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:36 - Feb 5 by HighgateBlue |
I would add that some might say "you can shove your scrutiny and peer review", because this is football after all, and it is a game of passion and excitement and emotion, and joy, and disappointment. And so those people may be in favour of no scrutiny, and just a ref making a decision on the spot, with no retrospective technological help, for good or for bad.
And I totally get that opinion. If you want to sacrifice an attempt at accuracy on the altar of fan experience, that is a totally respectable view. Waiting for VAR calls certainly sucks some of the joy out of it, and turns real life into more of a computer game.
So I do get it. And this might even be my view, I don't really know for sure - maybe I need to refer it to VAR. But then, is my error clear and obvious? :) |
But people also seem to forget the years before VAR, and the oft-repeated cry of ' the ref must be blind'.
VAR has been implemented badly, but other sports have proven it's worth (and can work). It just needs a complete overhaul, and transparency (let's hear the deliberations during a VAR review). | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:57 - Feb 5 with 1357 views | Jon_456 |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 12:55 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I'd quite like an explanation of how the penalty against Everton constituted a clear and obvious error that warranted VAR intervention but Lewis-Skelly getting sent off for a bog standard trip didn't. That's before getting into the Chaplin and Davis non-awards, when both were about as stonewall a penalty as you're likely to see. |
That’s a good point.
I don’t mind there being a high bar set for VAR and can kind of see what they’re trying to achieve, even in a situation where they think chaplins probably was a penalty but not enough for VAR to get involved. But if that is the case, then VAR was definitely wrong to get involved in the Clarke pen against Everton. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:09 - Feb 5 with 1338 views | Basuco |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 12:09 - Feb 5 by tonybied |
Thanks, so it's not independent then! Hmmm...surely a panel like this should be wholly independent? It's better than a panel made completely from PL/PGMOL bods, I guess, but still not independent. The PL/PGMOL panelists need only to persuade one other panelist to come around to their side of the argument! |
No, not at all. |  | | |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:31 - Feb 5 with 1308 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:40 - Feb 5 by Garv |
The monitor thing is a farce in my opinion, it's a circus and only undermines the referee. We know what happens when the referee goes to the screen, he overturns his decision. The closer that element of VAR gets to going in the bin, the better.
Referees making more decisions in real time and without the use of slow motion and still images is what is needed, they just need to apply more common sense to their decision making. Wising up to players cheating would be a good start. |
But they're making them in real time and the appointed review panel are assessing their decisions as wrong?
The problem is that we know what happens when they go to the screen. Why do we not give the referee the autonomy to stick with their decision or change their decision.
The whole clear and obvious error thing just creates more errors. VAR should be there for one thing, to show the referee the footage. Instead we have a whole team of people shouting over each other and make decision based on a whole load of nonsense clear and obvious language.
I agree on the players cheating. I think there should be retrospective action for holding your head/ face if there is no contact on the head/ face. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:52 - Feb 5 with 1276 views | Garv |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 13:10 - Feb 5 by Blueschev |
Looking for it? He was about to shoot and was clattered! |
He went down like a sack of spuds having shifted the ball to the side and realizing he wasn't going to get onto it again, he'd got nowhere near swinging his leg for a shot.
All I'm saying is there are hugely reasonable calls for it being a subjective decision (most decisions are). It's not the disgrace or conspiracy people seem to want to make it. | |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:54 - Feb 5 with 1267 views | Garv |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:31 - Feb 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
But they're making them in real time and the appointed review panel are assessing their decisions as wrong?
The problem is that we know what happens when they go to the screen. Why do we not give the referee the autonomy to stick with their decision or change their decision.
The whole clear and obvious error thing just creates more errors. VAR should be there for one thing, to show the referee the footage. Instead we have a whole team of people shouting over each other and make decision based on a whole load of nonsense clear and obvious language.
I agree on the players cheating. I think there should be retrospective action for holding your head/ face if there is no contact on the head/ face. |
To me your whole post tells me VAR shouldn't exist in the first place, which I'd agree with. | |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 16:05 - Feb 5 with 1210 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:52 - Feb 5 by Garv |
He went down like a sack of spuds having shifted the ball to the side and realizing he wasn't going to get onto it again, he'd got nowhere near swinging his leg for a shot.
All I'm saying is there are hugely reasonable calls for it being a subjective decision (most decisions are). It's not the disgrace or conspiracy people seem to want to make it. |
Hang on! Was Chappers not going to get onto it again because :-
a) whilst standing he didn't feel like it having purposely shifted the ball to the left to shoot;
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b) he was barged over by an out of control defender at pace who played zero of the ball and all of Chappers that knocked him off his feet thus rendering him unable to 'get onto it'. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 16:57 - Feb 5 with 1170 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 14:31 - Feb 5 by Bellevue_Blue |
But they're making them in real time and the appointed review panel are assessing their decisions as wrong?
The problem is that we know what happens when they go to the screen. Why do we not give the referee the autonomy to stick with their decision or change their decision.
The whole clear and obvious error thing just creates more errors. VAR should be there for one thing, to show the referee the footage. Instead we have a whole team of people shouting over each other and make decision based on a whole load of nonsense clear and obvious language.
I agree on the players cheating. I think there should be retrospective action for holding your head/ face if there is no contact on the head/ face. |
I agree with a lot of this. As you say, I am not sure that there has been a single case of a ref going to the screen and disagreeing with the VAR crowd.
But to take the cricket example, the teams themselves choose when to get video support for decisions (and ball tracking) and get a limited number of goes at the DRS - or at least a limited number of goes for them to be not upheld.
Applying that to football, if the ref didnt know whether the referral was coming from the VAR team or one of the teams involved playing their one VAR call per match, then the ref is more likely to give a balanced view based on what they have seen.
So in the Chaplin example, if the VAR doesnt refer it, KMK would, and the ref would go to the screen. if the ref changes his mind, we keep the review in hand for later, if not, thats it.
It means that unfortunately the ref will def get to go to the screen at least twice in any match, because everyone will use their review at some point, but might take some of the subconscious bias away when the ref is reviewing the footage (because the ref will not know if VAR team has referred him to the screen or one of the teams) | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 17:23 - Feb 5 with 1136 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 16:57 - Feb 5 by Exiled2Surrey |
I agree with a lot of this. As you say, I am not sure that there has been a single case of a ref going to the screen and disagreeing with the VAR crowd.
But to take the cricket example, the teams themselves choose when to get video support for decisions (and ball tracking) and get a limited number of goes at the DRS - or at least a limited number of goes for them to be not upheld.
Applying that to football, if the ref didnt know whether the referral was coming from the VAR team or one of the teams involved playing their one VAR call per match, then the ref is more likely to give a balanced view based on what they have seen.
So in the Chaplin example, if the VAR doesnt refer it, KMK would, and the ref would go to the screen. if the ref changes his mind, we keep the review in hand for later, if not, thats it.
It means that unfortunately the ref will def get to go to the screen at least twice in any match, because everyone will use their review at some point, but might take some of the subconscious bias away when the ref is reviewing the footage (because the ref will not know if VAR team has referred him to the screen or one of the teams) |
The idea of teams being able to challenge/review like in Cricket and NFL I think has some value. Not sure on your bias point as you suggest a manager only uses once the VAR officials decide not to recommend the Ref views the monitor. All the chatter about VAR will go on in the Refs ear so he will know its VAR officials as opposed to a Manager challenge that has sent them to review.
Did I mis-understand? I guess what you mean is once the Ref is told to view the monitor they shouldn't know if VAR or the Manager has asked them to look again. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 17:34 - Feb 5 with 1117 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 17:23 - Feb 5 by berkstractorboy |
The idea of teams being able to challenge/review like in Cricket and NFL I think has some value. Not sure on your bias point as you suggest a manager only uses once the VAR officials decide not to recommend the Ref views the monitor. All the chatter about VAR will go on in the Refs ear so he will know its VAR officials as opposed to a Manager challenge that has sent them to review.
Did I mis-understand? I guess what you mean is once the Ref is told to view the monitor they shouldn't know if VAR or the Manager has asked them to look again. |
That is what I mean - there should be an AI generated voice saying "go to the monitor" - or a buzz on the wrist like for the goal line tech. Once there I guess some sort of discussion would be allowed with the VAR team - I haven't thought that bit through...
The bias point I think is the only reason to do this - would love someone to chip in and tell me that a ref has ever gone to the monitor and not changed their mind - but I suspect those instances are super rare. If the ref doesnt think they are getting directed by the VAR team one way or the other, they are more likely to use the tech without bias | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 17:52 - Feb 5 with 1095 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 17:34 - Feb 5 by Exiled2Surrey |
That is what I mean - there should be an AI generated voice saying "go to the monitor" - or a buzz on the wrist like for the goal line tech. Once there I guess some sort of discussion would be allowed with the VAR team - I haven't thought that bit through...
The bias point I think is the only reason to do this - would love someone to chip in and tell me that a ref has ever gone to the monitor and not changed their mind - but I suspect those instances are super rare. If the ref doesnt think they are getting directed by the VAR team one way or the other, they are more likely to use the tech without bias |
There have been one or 2 instances where the ref has stuck with decision but they are super rare like you say. When the commentators mock the process for the ref going over, we know what happens next, you know something is wrong.
I honestly don't know how its changed so its an improvement as it's the human element in the process that makes the mistake the same way it was a human mistake with no VAR but that seems somehow more acceptable as the officials only seen once in real time.
They promised not to re-ref games this season with VAR, but where they shouldn't re-ref they get involved and cases where they should they ignore. It's just baffling. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 20:41 - Feb 5 with 1025 views | Garv |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 16:05 - Feb 5 by berkstractorboy |
Hang on! Was Chappers not going to get onto it again because :-
a) whilst standing he didn't feel like it having purposely shifted the ball to the left to shoot;
or
b) he was barged over by an out of control defender at pace who played zero of the ball and all of Chappers that knocked him off his feet thus rendering him unable to 'get onto it'. |
I obviously wouldn't go as far as saying he didn't feel like it, but he's very happy to go to ground.
It's interesting you say he was knocked off his feet. He actually has two feet off the ground at the point of any contact, so I don't think you can really describe it that way.
Your argument (and I appreciate I'm in a minority with my view) would hold up without any scrutiny if football didn't allow any physical contact. It's still, just about, a contact sport. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but i think there's an argument that Chaplin isn't strong enough. | |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 21:14 - Feb 5 with 980 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If VAR removed or even significantly reduced refereeing errors it would be serving the purpose it was designed for. Somehow, it appears not to be doing either of these things. The offside it upheld in the Villa vs Wolves match is ridiculous. If that is offside, every player on the pitch must be deemed to be interfering with play and so the subjectivity of "interfering with play" should be removed from the rules completely.
As it is, VAR is a random decision generator and simply slows down and delays the game and takes some of the excitement out of a goal, etc as you don't know if it will get ruled out. |  |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 21:45 - Feb 5 with 949 views | ibbleobble |
Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against by ibbleobble 27 Oct 2024 16:29KM said there’s no point reflecting on questionable decisions as they even out during the course of the season. Let’s keep this thread going and add to it as the season progresses to see where it nets out:
AGAINST:
1 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson awards a free-kick for a Davis foul on Savio. VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Haaland converts (VAR official: David Coote).
2 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson fails to award a penalty for a trip on Davis in the box (VAR official: David Coote).
3 - vs Everton: Michael Oliver awards a penalty for a trip on Clarke but VAR overrules it (VAR official: Graham Scott).
4 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards a free kick and yellow card for a foul outside of the box but VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Mbuemo converts (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
5 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards Clarke a second yellow for a foul on the edge of the box and sends him off (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
6 - vs Leicester: Fatawu bundles Chaplin over in the box in the 77th minute without making an attempt to win the ball but Tim Robinson and VAR fail to award a penalty (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
7 - vs Leicester: Phillips leaves a leg out as Pereira clears the ball and a second yellow is issued by Tim Robinson and Phillips is dismissed despite looking to pull out of the tackle seconds after the penalty failed to be awarded (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
8 - vs Nottingham Forest: Szmodics leaves a leg trailing in the box and despite minimal contact, Jota makes a meal of it, goes down and VAR doesn’t overrule Matt Harrington’s penalty decision (VAR official: Matt Donohue)
9 - vs Bournemouth: Burgess heads the ball into the net but Michael Salisbury blows for a foul, an infringement by Delap when there seemed little to anything in it. No VAR intervention. (VAR official: Paul Tierney).
10 - vs Newcastle: VAR intervene in an offside call after Isak scores and after a 3-minute delay overrule the lineswoman’s decision allowing Newcastle’s goal to stand despite the initial angle looking offside and the line call very marginal. A precedent was set earlier in the season with such close call in favour of an offside ruling. Referee was Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Craig Taylor)
11 - vs Brighton: Joao Pedro clatters in to Walton after he’s played the ball seemingly with no intention to avoid the clash, slow his momentum or pull out of the challenge requiring Walton to need treatment. A yellow card was brandished by Tony Harrington when many feel it should have been a red (VAR official: Michael Salisbury).
12 - vs Aston Villa: Referee Robert Jones issues Tuanzebe a yellow card for a foul on Rogers after clearly winning the ball. The yellow is later followed by a second yellow, reducing the side to ten-men.(VAR official: Michael Oliver)
FOR:
1 - vs Liverpool: Burns on a yellow deliberately handles the ball on the ground when contesting possession with Jota but Tim Robinson fails to see it to issue a second yellow.
2 - vs Villa: Morsy tackles Onana and goes over the ball and despite being on a yellow card, gets away without a second yellow from Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Darren England)
3 - vs Chelsea: John Brooks awards a penalty after Delap goes through on goal and despite a stumble and the ball running out of play, he’s caught by Jorgensen whilst getting back to his feet and goes over for a penalty upheld by VAR (VAR official: Michael Oliver)
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 22:04 - Feb 5 with 936 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 21:45 - Feb 5 by ibbleobble |
Questionable / Marginal Decision Count For and Against by ibbleobble 27 Oct 2024 16:29KM said there’s no point reflecting on questionable decisions as they even out during the course of the season. Let’s keep this thread going and add to it as the season progresses to see where it nets out:
AGAINST:
1 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson awards a free-kick for a Davis foul on Savio. VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Haaland converts (VAR official: David Coote).
2 - vs Man City: Sam Alisson fails to award a penalty for a trip on Davis in the box (VAR official: David Coote).
3 - vs Everton: Michael Oliver awards a penalty for a trip on Clarke but VAR overrules it (VAR official: Graham Scott).
4 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards a free kick and yellow card for a foul outside of the box but VAR overrules and awards a penalty, which Mbuemo converts (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
5 - vs Brentford: Lewis Smith awards Clarke a second yellow for a foul on the edge of the box and sends him off (VAR official: Peter Bankes).
6 - vs Leicester: Fatawu bundles Chaplin over in the box in the 77th minute without making an attempt to win the ball but Tim Robinson and VAR fail to award a penalty (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
7 - vs Leicester: Phillips leaves a leg out as Pereira clears the ball and a second yellow is issued by Tim Robinson and Phillips is dismissed despite looking to pull out of the tackle seconds after the penalty failed to be awarded (VAR official: Stuart Attwell).
8 - vs Nottingham Forest: Szmodics leaves a leg trailing in the box and despite minimal contact, Jota makes a meal of it, goes down and VAR doesn’t overrule Matt Harrington’s penalty decision (VAR official: Matt Donohue)
9 - vs Bournemouth: Burgess heads the ball into the net but Michael Salisbury blows for a foul, an infringement by Delap when there seemed little to anything in it. No VAR intervention. (VAR official: Paul Tierney).
10 - vs Newcastle: VAR intervene in an offside call after Isak scores and after a 3-minute delay overrule the lineswoman’s decision allowing Newcastle’s goal to stand despite the initial angle looking offside and the line call very marginal. A precedent was set earlier in the season with such close call in favour of an offside ruling. Referee was Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Craig Taylor)
11 - vs Brighton: Joao Pedro clatters in to Walton after he’s played the ball seemingly with no intention to avoid the clash, slow his momentum or pull out of the challenge requiring Walton to need treatment. A yellow card was brandished by Tony Harrington when many feel it should have been a red (VAR official: Michael Salisbury).
12 - vs Aston Villa: Referee Robert Jones issues Tuanzebe a yellow card for a foul on Rogers after clearly winning the ball. The yellow is later followed by a second yellow, reducing the side to ten-men.(VAR official: Michael Oliver)
FOR:
1 - vs Liverpool: Burns on a yellow deliberately handles the ball on the ground when contesting possession with Jota but Tim Robinson fails to see it to issue a second yellow.
2 - vs Villa: Morsy tackles Onana and goes over the ball and despite being on a yellow card, gets away without a second yellow from Stuart Atwell (VAR official: Darren England)
3 - vs Chelsea: John Brooks awards a penalty after Delap goes through on goal and despite a stumble and the ball running out of play, he’s caught by Jorgensen whilst getting back to his feet and goes over for a penalty upheld by VAR (VAR official: Michael Oliver)
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Don't agree with the Felix CHE goal being on the FOR list. EVERY goal is checked for being onside so there does not need to be a flag from the linesman or the ref giving it. It's the right decision under the current rules this isn't contentious. | | | |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 22:56 - Feb 5 with 898 views | radiogaga |
David Coote was on this panel, I presume? [Post edited 5 Feb 22:57]
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 08:10 - Feb 6 with 742 views | Herbivore |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 20:41 - Feb 5 by Garv |
I obviously wouldn't go as far as saying he didn't feel like it, but he's very happy to go to ground.
It's interesting you say he was knocked off his feet. He actually has two feet off the ground at the point of any contact, so I don't think you can really describe it that way.
Your argument (and I appreciate I'm in a minority with my view) would hold up without any scrutiny if football didn't allow any physical contact. It's still, just about, a contact sport. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but i think there's an argument that Chaplin isn't strong enough. |
Chaplin isn't strong enough? FFS, they're hardly shoulder to shoulder and he throws himself over. He's squared up having shifted the ball and the guy comes steaming into him at full tilt. His feet are off the ground for the same reason that stuntmen's feet are off the ground as they are getting hit by a car in films. You're more likely to get injured if your feet are planted when you take an impact like that, particularly if your body weight isn't braced against it, which his wasn't. |  |
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 10:08 - Feb 6 with 694 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 08:10 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
Chaplin isn't strong enough? FFS, they're hardly shoulder to shoulder and he throws himself over. He's squared up having shifted the ball and the guy comes steaming into him at full tilt. His feet are off the ground for the same reason that stuntmen's feet are off the ground as they are getting hit by a car in films. You're more likely to get injured if your feet are planted when you take an impact like that, particularly if your body weight isn't braced against it, which his wasn't. |
Answers it perfectly. I accept football is a contact sport, albeit less than previous years, but I think the contact on Chaplin was more than what can be described as fair.
I appreciate we won't agree (Garv), but if the PGMOL don't think they got that one wrong then I think we can see why there is little respect for VAR and officiating in this country. [Post edited 6 Feb 10:17]
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| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 10:23 - Feb 6 with 676 views | ibbleobble |
| VAR errors according to the Premier League on 22:04 - Feb 5 by berkstractorboy |
Don't agree with the Felix CHE goal being on the FOR list. EVERY goal is checked for being onside so there does not need to be a flag from the linesman or the ref giving it. It's the right decision under the current rules this isn't contentious. |
Fair point. | | | |
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