| Kieran 23:35 - Feb 15 with 5475 views | Wicksy |
'A decision against a smaller team away from home'
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| Kieran on 23:40 - Feb 15 with 4512 views | SitfcB |
Definitely that.
Second yellow was weird as well, he took a while to get it out and looked as if the pressure from the Villa players paid off.
He played to the home crowd big time especially with the OTT reactions of making the subs leave the pitch. |  |
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| Kieran on 23:41 - Feb 15 with 4491 views | sjg |
Second yellow is definitely a yellow. First yellow is never a yellow in a million years |  | | |
| Kieran on 23:46 - Feb 15 with 4425 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Kieran on 23:41 - Feb 15 by sjg |
Second yellow is definitely a yellow. First yellow is never a yellow in a million years |
It really wasnt.
There was no actual impediment. Just a hand on the shoulder. No pull, grab, trip or push at all. The villa player dived. If that was a foul, then Delap should have had a pen when he got a shot off having been clipped just before. | | | |
| Kieran on 23:48 - Feb 15 with 4390 views | SitfcB |
| Kieran on 23:46 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
It really wasnt.
There was no actual impediment. Just a hand on the shoulder. No pull, grab, trip or push at all. The villa player dived. If that was a foul, then Delap should have had a pen when he got a shot off having been clipped just before. |
Seeing it back definitely feel it was harsh, a foul yes, these days unfortunately, a yellow? Not so sure… No need for the Villa player to go down though but that’s what most players are like now. | |
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| Kieran on 23:49 - Feb 15 with 4376 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Kieran on 23:48 - Feb 15 by SitfcB |
Seeing it back definitely feel it was harsh, a foul yes, these days unfortunately, a yellow? Not so sure… No need for the Villa player to go down though but that’s what most players are like now. |
It was simulation. A yellow card for each would not have been wrong. | | | |
| Kieran on 23:53 - Feb 15 with 4322 views | Ryorry |
So unlike him to say anything like that - you know it’s real when he does. |  |
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| Kieran on 23:57 - Feb 15 with 4271 views | Bluespeed225 |
MOTD slow mo' showing Axel getting the ball on the first yellow! | | | |
| Kieran on 23:58 - Feb 15 with 4251 views | Garv |
| Kieran on 23:48 - Feb 15 by SitfcB |
Seeing it back definitely feel it was harsh, a foul yes, these days unfortunately, a yellow? Not so sure… No need for the Villa player to go down though but that’s what most players are like now. |
To be fair he's more or less going through on goal, middle of the goal on the edge of the box. If it's a foul it's a nailed on yellow. |  |
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| Kieran on 23:59 - Feb 15 with 4233 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Kieran on 23:58 - Feb 15 by Garv |
To be fair he's more or less going through on goal, middle of the goal on the edge of the box. If it's a foul it's a nailed on yellow. |
What mad ethe player fall over? The contact, or the player's choice?
Its only a foul if he is impeded. | | | |
| Kieran on 00:34 - Feb 16 with 4048 views | Garv |
| Kieran on 23:59 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
What mad ethe player fall over? The contact, or the player's choice?
Its only a foul if he is impeded. |
Wouldn't necessarily argue that it's a foul, just that if you're giving a foul you're also definitely giving a yellow card for the circumstances of the foul.
It's a modern foul, they get given all the time now. Actually not even modern, that's been a foul for a long time. I think it's one where he is impeded, Axel has a hand on his shoulder and will be trying subtly to slow him down, but the player has to dive to show the referee he's being fouled. | |
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| Kieran on 01:33 - Feb 16 with 3929 views | BlueStreak |
| Kieran on 00:34 - Feb 16 by Garv |
Wouldn't necessarily argue that it's a foul, just that if you're giving a foul you're also definitely giving a yellow card for the circumstances of the foul.
It's a modern foul, they get given all the time now. Actually not even modern, that's been a foul for a long time. I think it's one where he is impeded, Axel has a hand on his shoulder and will be trying subtly to slow him down, but the player has to dive to show the referee he's being fouled. |
Couldn’t agree more. The second yellow is nailed on and can’t believe that is being disputed.
What annoys me more is that both of those bookings are totally avoidable if other players are more physically up to it defensively. Johnson for the first one was so weak and same with Omari with the second. Common trend developing here where our weak forward players cause issues for us. |  | | |
| Kieran on 07:09 - Feb 16 with 3607 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Kieran on 23:59 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
What mad ethe player fall over? The contact, or the player's choice?
Its only a foul if he is impeded. |
You mean like the Delap penalty v Chelsea. Players almost hope to feel contact, or even create the contact themselves ready to go down. Gamesmanship? Clever? Cheating? All teams do it.
First booking was obviously a shocking decision, you can't complain about the second, that's a yellow all day long. | | | |
| Kieran on 09:54 - Feb 16 with 3250 views | Simonds92 |
| Kieran on 23:48 - Feb 15 by SitfcB |
Seeing it back definitely feel it was harsh, a foul yes, these days unfortunately, a yellow? Not so sure… No need for the Villa player to go down though but that’s what most players are like now. |
At the point you agree it's a foul, it's a yellow card all day long due to the position Ramsey was in, drivingin to the box. Yes he threw himself to the floor and knew exactly what he was doing to get Axel sent off, but that's irrelevant.
First yellow, ridiculous decision. | | | |
| Kieran on 09:55 - Feb 16 with 3238 views | billlm |
| Kieran on 23:59 - Feb 15 by redrickstuhaart |
What mad ethe player fall over? The contact, or the player's choice?
Its only a foul if he is impeded. |
Hand on the shoulder isn't enough to hit the ground, it's a choice instead of playing the ball, modern day cheating |  | | |
| Kieran on 09:58 - Feb 16 with 3210 views | Herbivore |
Second one there's an argument the contact doesn't cause the player to go down, it's a hand placed on the shoulder, not a push or a pull back. That said, this day and age it's a yellow. The first is ridiculous, it's not even a foul let alone a yellow card. |  |
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| Kieran on 09:59 - Feb 16 with 3204 views | Simonds92 |
| Kieran on 07:09 - Feb 16 by Blue_In_Boston |
You mean like the Delap penalty v Chelsea. Players almost hope to feel contact, or even create the contact themselves ready to go down. Gamesmanship? Clever? Cheating? All teams do it.
First booking was obviously a shocking decision, you can't complain about the second, that's a yellow all day long. |
The Delap one was a penalty all day, the action of being full pelt trying to control the ball while sliding on one knee and then standing up, only to be clipped during this movement is enough for you to fall down. Don't buy in to the Chelsea fan girls online saying it was a dive. | | | |
| Kieran on 10:11 - Feb 16 with 3124 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Kieran on 09:55 - Feb 16 by billlm |
Hand on the shoulder isn't enough to hit the ground, it's a choice instead of playing the ball, modern day cheating |
Precisely the point. The hand did not impede him. He chose to fall over. | | | |
| Kieran on 10:23 - Feb 16 with 3018 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Kieran on 09:59 - Feb 16 by Simonds92 |
The Delap one was a penalty all day, the action of being full pelt trying to control the ball while sliding on one knee and then standing up, only to be clipped during this movement is enough for you to fall down. Don't buy in to the Chelsea fan girls online saying it was a dive. |
Striker gets there first, touches it away from goal. Never going to reach the ball.
Of course we all scream for the penalty, hand on heart if it's given against you you're fuming.
In the cold light of day I try to judge decisions on how you would feel if they were awarded against you. Clever play from Delap, was he forced down or did he want to, did he initiate the contact even?
We all moan at refs but for 90 minutes there are 22 players trying to fool him. | | | |
| Kieran on 10:28 - Feb 16 with 2994 views | Vaughan8 |
I haven't seen the first yellow, but you cant do the second one now. Have we not learnt this. These teams as so soft and fall over at any touch.
Something I hate, and it seems very inconsistent too but it seems to be the way in general but even more so in this PL. | | | |
| Kieran on 10:34 - Feb 16 with 2953 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Kieran on 10:23 - Feb 16 by Blue_In_Boston |
Striker gets there first, touches it away from goal. Never going to reach the ball.
Of course we all scream for the penalty, hand on heart if it's given against you you're fuming.
In the cold light of day I try to judge decisions on how you would feel if they were awarded against you. Clever play from Delap, was he forced down or did he want to, did he initiate the contact even?
We all moan at refs but for 90 minutes there are 22 players trying to fool him. |
Nothing in the rules about reaching the ball. | | | |
| Kieran on 10:39 - Feb 16 with 2925 views | Steve_M |
| Kieran on 23:40 - Feb 15 by SitfcB |
Definitely that.
Second yellow was weird as well, he took a while to get it out and looked as if the pressure from the Villa players paid off.
He played to the home crowd big time especially with the OTT reactions of making the subs leave the pitch. |
The Omari one, he would have been off the pitch quicker had the ref not stopped him in the first place.
Thought the Greaves one was only because of the theatricals too.
Can’t believe anyone questioning Axel’s second though, guaranteed yellow as soon as the hand went out. He didn’t need to make that challenge either. |  |
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| Kieran on 12:05 - Feb 16 with 2781 views | VanSaParody |
Agree with KM, wish managers would be able to say this more & throw the spotlight back on the officials (incl VAR) who are still making significant errors
Axel's 1st "yellow" so obviously should NOT have been, as anyone like me who is blessed with at least partial sight, saw he got the ball 1st (even without the need for a slow-mo replay)
Even after Axel touches the ball & then tried to change direction to get after the ball he won, the Villa player, rather than doing the same, just allowed himself to collapse to the ground having felt the contact (AFTER Axel contacts the ball) & cons the ref into the free kick & yellow card
Axel's 2nd yellow is also wrong. Again, a professional athlete playing a CONTACT sport, who felt a hand on a shoulder that neither pulled or pushed him, didn't pull on his shirt, nor trip or otherwise impede him, decides to allow himself to collapse rather than being 'brave' & actually trying to have a shot & possibly even score a goal for his team - it's cowardice
Again, a Villa player cheating, conning the ref into awarding a free kick & (2nd) yellow, so a red card
Officials need to be better & this cheating needs to be highlighted & removed from the game & the only way to do that is to give them a straight red (which VAR can help the ref if the offending player HASN'T just allowed themselves to 'fall' in order to get a fellow professional booked/sent off)
I'm sick of 'little' Ipswich being on the wrong end of these decisions, so either that, or we MUST start cheating to get results [Post edited 16 Feb 12:13]
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| Kieran on 14:37 - Feb 16 with 2539 views | Wickets |
Big club bias is alive and kicking . Same at Anfield now . 2 Liverpool fouls to stop Wolves breaking both worse then Axel yesterday . Wolves complain and get a player and their manager booked . Liverpool 2 up . |  | | |
| Kieran on 14:40 - Feb 16 with 2511 views | iamatractorboy |
| Kieran on 14:37 - Feb 16 by Wickets |
Big club bias is alive and kicking . Same at Anfield now . 2 Liverpool fouls to stop Wolves breaking both worse then Axel yesterday . Wolves complain and get a player and their manager booked . Liverpool 2 up . |
Very lucky with the penalty too, looked like a push on the defender ("not enough" according to a completely unbiased Carragher on comms) prior to Diaz falling over after being brushed with a floppy hand (and yes it was very similar to Delap's vs Chelsea). | | | |
| Kieran on 17:09 - Feb 16 with 2229 views | OldFart71 |
I blame Mark Aston for not buying enough brown envelopes. | | | |
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