| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... 07:24 - Mar 10 with 5832 views | Pippin1970 |
With points gained between the three clubs this season. Well short of any other season. Premiership is bloody hard nowadays too. |  | | |  |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:44 - Mar 10 with 4049 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm sure it's factually correct if you remove context, but it's a bit unfair on us given we've come from League 1 and the other two have come from the Prem. We're punching above our weight, it's those two who are letting the side(s) down. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:46 - Mar 10 with 4028 views | Pique |
Such lazy clickbait nonsense from the BBC, but that's hardly a surprise.
It's nonsense because it takes no account of the standard of the Premier League today and the insane amounts of money that even small-scale outfits like Bournemouth and Brentford have accrued as a result. There's just no comparison to what's gone before.
Are we seriously saying that this season's Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton teams are worse than Swindon in 1993/94? Or Barnsley in 1997/98? Of course not, all three would thrash them without breaking a sweat. |  | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:48 - Mar 10 with 3990 views | bsw72 |
Apart from 2018-2019 points gained by promoted teams at this stage of the season has got progressively worse year over year for last 4 seasons. Surely that’s indicative of a more fundamental issue with the widening gap between the PL and the rest. |  | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:51 - Mar 10 with 3954 views | bsw72 |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:46 - Mar 10 by Pique |
Such lazy clickbait nonsense from the BBC, but that's hardly a surprise.
It's nonsense because it takes no account of the standard of the Premier League today and the insane amounts of money that even small-scale outfits like Bournemouth and Brentford have accrued as a result. There's just no comparison to what's gone before.
Are we seriously saying that this season's Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton teams are worse than Swindon in 1993/94? Or Barnsley in 1997/98? Of course not, all three would thrash them without breaking a sweat. |
That’s not what the article says, it makes a valid point about how difficult it is becoming for promoted sides in the PL. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:52 - Mar 10 with 3946 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:44 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm sure it's factually correct if you remove context, but it's a bit unfair on us given we've come from League 1 and the other two have come from the Prem. We're punching above our weight, it's those two who are letting the side(s) down. |
We all came from the championship
Downvoted for being factual, by the two people who bang on about dealing in facts. This place 😂 [Post edited 10 Mar 8:53]
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:55 - Mar 10 with 3914 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
As hard as it is to take, it’s statistically correct, none of the three bottom teams will manage 30pts this season with pretty bad goals against and when all is said and done I’m doubtful any of the three will be close to safety unfortunately. The bottom three last season did better than that but still dropped, even Luton were more competitive than Leicester, Southampton and Ipswich have been and they didn’t spend a fraction of the money, however that’s massively bit them in the backside this season.
Leicester lost the manager who got them promoted and sacked the manager who kept them competitive, Ipswich and Southampton stuck religiously to a style of football that wasn’t possible with the calibre of players they have in the squad, and all three recruited poorly and didn’t make any significant signings in January to give them a chance of becoming competitive in this league. There’s a lot of talk of fine margins but the reality is Leicester and Southampton have all had games where they could have won too and ended up losing, that’s the nature of being the poorer teams in the league, none of those three have squads anywhere near good enough for the Premier League, that upsets some to hear, but the results and tables don’t lie.
We just need to learn from this if we come back up, we can’t sign a bucket load of Championship players who are massively overpriced and try and play football that will win plaudits but not points, both Ipswich and Burnley are living proof that doesn’t work and to some extent Southampton made the same mistake in that regard. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:56 - Mar 10 with 3901 views | bsw72 |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:52 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
We all came from the championship
Downvoted for being factual, by the two people who bang on about dealing in facts. This place 😂 [Post edited 10 Mar 8:53]
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Not from a financial or infrastructure perspective which puts us at a significant disadvantage. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:02 - Mar 10 with 3853 views | Pique |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:51 - Mar 10 by bsw72 |
That’s not what the article says, it makes a valid point about how difficult it is becoming for promoted sides in the PL. |
Yes, but the title is 'Is this the worst bottom three in Premier League history?'.
Which is lazy clickbait nonsense, because the answer is obviously 'no'.
It's also fairly indicative of the BBC's attitude to us throughout this season, which has veered between indifference and sneering. | | | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:02 - Mar 10 with 3836 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:56 - Mar 10 by bsw72 |
Not from a financial or infrastructure perspective which puts us at a significant disadvantage. |
Whilst true, it’s also true we (the 3) are currently the worse points total.
It’s complete fact, so can’t really be argued against, can it? | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:16 - Mar 10 with 3708 views | SitfcB |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:02 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
Whilst true, it’s also true we (the 3) are currently the worse points total.
It’s complete fact, so can’t really be argued against, can it? |
If anything we should, and we’re probably expected to be, in Southampton’s position if not worse.
We were out of the Premier League for 22 years compared to Southampton and Leicester being quite established for many years without even stating the obvious. They were better perpetrated for the league in all ways, stadium, training ground, players where as we have basically started from the very beginning.
If we go down then we’ll be in the best ever position we’ve been in for the Championship and a lot more prepared for when we next have a try in the PL. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:22 - Mar 10 with 3653 views | Herbivore |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:02 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
Whilst true, it’s also true we (the 3) are currently the worse points total.
It’s complete fact, so can’t really be argued against, can it? |
But without any context or nuance it's a bit of a pointless point to make. Why do the three current sides have the worst collective points total in history? Is it because we're three worse sides than any other bottom three in history or is it that the gap between the Championship and the Prem is getting bigger? Last season, the bottom three were chasing down a Forest side that finished with 32 points. Forest have done some more savvy business and are third this season. Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, and Palace have all strengthened, even Everton have. Wolves are our target and they're able to field three Brazil internationals and a smattering of Portuguese internationals. How are we meant to compete with that off the back of one transfer window having not been in the Prem for two decades? |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:25 - Mar 10 with 3615 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:16 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
If anything we should, and we’re probably expected to be, in Southampton’s position if not worse.
We were out of the Premier League for 22 years compared to Southampton and Leicester being quite established for many years without even stating the obvious. They were better perpetrated for the league in all ways, stadium, training ground, players where as we have basically started from the very beginning.
If we go down then we’ll be in the best ever position we’ve been in for the Championship and a lot more prepared for when we next have a try in the PL. |
Yeah I’m surprised we have as many points as we have to be honest, because if the first half of the season was as bad as the second half we would be bottom by some way. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:27 - Mar 10 with 3584 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:16 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
If anything we should, and we’re probably expected to be, in Southampton’s position if not worse.
We were out of the Premier League for 22 years compared to Southampton and Leicester being quite established for many years without even stating the obvious. They were better perpetrated for the league in all ways, stadium, training ground, players where as we have basically started from the very beginning.
If we go down then we’ll be in the best ever position we’ve been in for the Championship and a lot more prepared for when we next have a try in the PL. |
Next season will be interesting in the PL. I can’t see anybody other than the 3 promoted sides going down - and that’s likely to be Burnley, Sheff Utd and Leeds - first two relegated last season and then Leeds who came down a couple of years ago. All quite stable and capable of having a shot but I just can’t see anybody else screwing up so badly to be in the bottom 3. Palace, Brentford if both lose their managers maybe but they’ll know the pressure and spend.
Factually correct probably but it’s clearly nonsense to compare the past to the current with the gap increasing to what it is today. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:28 - Mar 10 with 3575 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
We're currently on course to finish on 23 points, which would have us bottom in most seasons. No shame in us going down but had hoped for a little better than that. Context is important though, if anyone should be taking flak it's Leicester and Southampton.
The more important question is, will anyone be able to break the cycle next season? | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:30 - Mar 10 with 3550 views | NeedhamChris |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:56 - Mar 10 by bsw72 |
Not from a financial or infrastructure perspective which puts us at a significant disadvantage. |
We were not operating a standard League One budget in League One. Also, Evans ran the club down from where it was - but our infrastructure was not (and never has been) below Championship level. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:30 - Mar 10 with 3548 views | Pinewoodblue |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:22 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
But without any context or nuance it's a bit of a pointless point to make. Why do the three current sides have the worst collective points total in history? Is it because we're three worse sides than any other bottom three in history or is it that the gap between the Championship and the Prem is getting bigger? Last season, the bottom three were chasing down a Forest side that finished with 32 points. Forest have done some more savvy business and are third this season. Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, and Palace have all strengthened, even Everton have. Wolves are our target and they're able to field three Brazil internationals and a smattering of Portuguese internationals. How are we meant to compete with that off the back of one transfer window having not been in the Prem for two decades? |
There is a good case to be made for clubs that have not recently been in the top flight to be given additional cash,from the Premier league pot, to make them more competitive. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:32 - Mar 10 with 3477 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:52 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
We all came from the championship
Downvoted for being factual, by the two people who bang on about dealing in facts. This place 😂 [Post edited 10 Mar 8:53]
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Are you turning into a troll?
We both know you know what I mean, so why be silly? | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:40 - Mar 10 with 3365 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:16 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
If anything we should, and we’re probably expected to be, in Southampton’s position if not worse.
We were out of the Premier League for 22 years compared to Southampton and Leicester being quite established for many years without even stating the obvious. They were better perpetrated for the league in all ways, stadium, training ground, players where as we have basically started from the very beginning.
If we go down then we’ll be in the best ever position we’ve been in for the Championship and a lot more prepared for when we next have a try in the PL. |
Quite. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:45 - Mar 10 with 3329 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:22 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
But without any context or nuance it's a bit of a pointless point to make. Why do the three current sides have the worst collective points total in history? Is it because we're three worse sides than any other bottom three in history or is it that the gap between the Championship and the Prem is getting bigger? Last season, the bottom three were chasing down a Forest side that finished with 32 points. Forest have done some more savvy business and are third this season. Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, and Palace have all strengthened, even Everton have. Wolves are our target and they're able to field three Brazil internationals and a smattering of Portuguese internationals. How are we meant to compete with that off the back of one transfer window having not been in the Prem for two decades? |
It is what it is, I wouldn’t get to precious over it.
If everyone down there (at PR) is happy that we done the very best we could in the 2 transfer windows, plus getting KM signed up to a new deal, then I’ve no issues with the season. IMHO a few of the signings have been wrong, but as I’m not the manager it really doesn’t matter what I think, but it was apparent we needed power and pace in a couple of key areas, and we’ve not addressed that properly. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:48 - Mar 10 with 3309 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:45 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
It is what it is, I wouldn’t get to precious over it.
If everyone down there (at PR) is happy that we done the very best we could in the 2 transfer windows, plus getting KM signed up to a new deal, then I’ve no issues with the season. IMHO a few of the signings have been wrong, but as I’m not the manager it really doesn’t matter what I think, but it was apparent we needed power and pace in a couple of key areas, and we’ve not addressed that properly. |
For someone who just said they have "no issues with the season" you do seem to have quite a lot of issues with the season. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:55 - Mar 10 with 3235 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:30 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
We were not operating a standard League One budget in League One. Also, Evans ran the club down from where it was - but our infrastructure was not (and never has been) below Championship level. |
Rather besides the point.
We were in League 1 for 4 seasons. The Negative Gang I'm sure delighted in telling us we were a League 1 team at the time, now the narrative's changed they want to rewrite history. Whilst we had a considerable budget in the final season, we did also sell a lot of players over those years and so the net spend wasn't actually outrageous. In fact I'm pretty sure Ashton said it was about level in terms of fees paid.
Either way we were a long way from the Prem both on and off the pitch.
Meanwhile Leicester and Southampton had been established Prem teams for several years. That's the bases all 3 were coming from. And that's the point. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:55 - Mar 10 with 3228 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:48 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
For someone who just said they have "no issues with the season" you do seem to have quite a lot of issues with the season. |
I’ve mentioned the recruitment, that’s my only issue. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:00 - Mar 10 with 3147 views | blueasfook |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:02 - Mar 10 by Pique |
Yes, but the title is 'Is this the worst bottom three in Premier League history?'.
Which is lazy clickbait nonsense, because the answer is obviously 'no'.
It's also fairly indicative of the BBC's attitude to us throughout this season, which has veered between indifference and sneering. |
Well statistically it's true. We, along with Leicester and Saints are the worst performing three promoted clubs in premier league history. And to suggest the BBC have some kind of vendetta against us is just ridiculous. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:02 - Mar 10 with 3127 views | blueasfook |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:52 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
We all came from the championship
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Have an uppie from me mate. The head in the sand deluded crowd dont like the cold hard facts. "Hey we were in league one once" seems to be the de facto get out clause for all our failings. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:04 - Mar 10 with 3094 views | Pique |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:22 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
But without any context or nuance it's a bit of a pointless point to make. Why do the three current sides have the worst collective points total in history? Is it because we're three worse sides than any other bottom three in history or is it that the gap between the Championship and the Prem is getting bigger? Last season, the bottom three were chasing down a Forest side that finished with 32 points. Forest have done some more savvy business and are third this season. Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, and Palace have all strengthened, even Everton have. Wolves are our target and they're able to field three Brazil internationals and a smattering of Portuguese internationals. How are we meant to compete with that off the back of one transfer window having not been in the Prem for two decades? |
Quite right, and you make an important point about the strength of Wolves' squad, which is light years ahead of ours (and again, that's no-one's fault, it's the situation we're in).
I had debates with a couple of people on here earlier in the season about Gary O'Neill - I always felt he was a terrible hack manager and I prayed he stayed in post for as long as possible, but others felt he'd been let down because Wolves had 'sold all their best players'. Nope, turned out he was just bobbins. | | | |
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