| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... 07:24 - Mar 10 with 5836 views | Pippin1970 |
With points gained between the three clubs this season. Well short of any other season. Premiership is bloody hard nowadays too. |  | | |  |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:10 - Mar 10 with 1012 views | Guthrum |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:00 - Mar 10 by blueasfook |
Well statistically it's true. We, along with Leicester and Saints are the worst performing three promoted clubs in premier league history. And to suggest the BBC have some kind of vendetta against us is just ridiculous. |
Part of the issue is that we've become so used to media and commentators lauding us for the achievement of a double promotion that it has been hard to revert to being the little fish in a division and stuggling ones at that. It feels like being ignored or derided. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:14 - Mar 10 with 998 views | Pinewoodblue |
Watched a cracking Championship game yesterday, something to look forward too, plenty of teams down there who will entertain us, should we be relegated.
Have a feeling that one of the teams promoted will also be in the mix, probably Birmingham . |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:31 - Mar 10 with 977 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:14 - Mar 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Watched a cracking Championship game yesterday, something to look forward too, plenty of teams down there who will entertain us, should we be relegated.
Have a feeling that one of the teams promoted will also be in the mix, probably Birmingham . |
The main thing I notice with championship games is the number of mistakes.
You don’t even have to be that good, just ready to capitalise on other teams mistakes and you’ll do ok. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:31 - Mar 10 with 972 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:02 - Mar 10 by blueasfook |
Have an uppie from me mate. The head in the sand deluded crowd dont like the cold hard facts. "Hey we were in league one once" seems to be the de facto get out clause for all our failings. |
It's not head in the sand or deluded to apply context and nuance to facts. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:40 - Mar 10 with 962 views | NeedhamChris |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:55 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Rather besides the point.
We were in League 1 for 4 seasons. The Negative Gang I'm sure delighted in telling us we were a League 1 team at the time, now the narrative's changed they want to rewrite history. Whilst we had a considerable budget in the final season, we did also sell a lot of players over those years and so the net spend wasn't actually outrageous. In fact I'm pretty sure Ashton said it was about level in terms of fees paid.
Either way we were a long way from the Prem both on and off the pitch.
Meanwhile Leicester and Southampton had been established Prem teams for several years. That's the bases all 3 were coming from. And that's the point. |
It's not besides the point, it's a response to a different point (although as always, welcome your contribution)
The post I replied to, claimed we did not have Championship finances and infrastructure. My response was directly in relation to that, and not the wider point. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:50 - Mar 10 with 914 views | waveneyblue |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:32 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Are you turning into a troll?
We both know you know what I mean, so why be silly? |
Turning into ? |  | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:53 - Mar 10 with 906 views | textbackup |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:50 - Mar 10 by waveneyblue |
Turning into ? |
The shadow has arrived.
Manage to get a Bournemouth ticket mate? Hope so | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:53 - Mar 10 with 906 views | Benters |
Well I predicted a17th place finish this season,there is still hope so fingers crossed… |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:56 - Mar 10 with 894 views | algy |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:55 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Rather besides the point.
We were in League 1 for 4 seasons. The Negative Gang I'm sure delighted in telling us we were a League 1 team at the time, now the narrative's changed they want to rewrite history. Whilst we had a considerable budget in the final season, we did also sell a lot of players over those years and so the net spend wasn't actually outrageous. In fact I'm pretty sure Ashton said it was about level in terms of fees paid.
Either way we were a long way from the Prem both on and off the pitch.
Meanwhile Leicester and Southampton had been established Prem teams for several years. That's the bases all 3 were coming from. And that's the point. |
First 2 league 1 seasons are irrelevant, our game literally changed when Evans sold us to the Americans and we became the best funded team in League One. Demolition man cleared out the remnants of the era of mediocrity and brought in many better players who benefited from Mck's coaching, several of them are still participating in our team. Has to be said that despite our financial advantage over every league one club we could only finish second to Plymouth and a couple of points clear of the basket case that was SheffWed. If we hadn't got relative loadsamoney McKenna wouldn't have come here. McK benefitted greatly from a financial advantage in L1, we suffer from a financial disadvantage in the Prem. That's football. [Post edited 10 Mar 9:57]
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| I was there when McKenna's ITFC won in the Premier League at Home. Fewest home wins and equal most home defeats in a season in ITFC history. |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:57 - Mar 10 with 884 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:45 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
It is what it is, I wouldn’t get to precious over it.
If everyone down there (at PR) is happy that we done the very best we could in the 2 transfer windows, plus getting KM signed up to a new deal, then I’ve no issues with the season. IMHO a few of the signings have been wrong, but as I’m not the manager it really doesn’t matter what I think, but it was apparent we needed power and pace in a couple of key areas, and we’ve not addressed that properly. |
I think we've tried to address it but so many signings just haven't worked how they hoped. Not sure if that's bad recruitment or luck, I guess probably a mix.
People like Johnson and Godfrey should've been dead certs as lots of PL experience, and been at the level for a while. Johnson first in the door but only now getting there, Godfrey nowhere to be seen(is he injured? Not even being mentioned). Spent lots of time chasing Broja(basically the only No 9 available) to not get him. I guess on the other side of the coin Delap has probably worked even better than expected.
Bring in Ogbene, and out for the season almost immediately. Enciso comes in, again, PL level but drops within two games. Hard to know if we'd have Philogene since the start of the season as planned, what he would be like but clearly still getting up to speed.
I think we've tried and got the best that was available to us. Maybe I'm being overly positive but that's how it feels. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:03 - Mar 10 with 872 views | pointofblue |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 08:22 - Mar 10 by Herbivore |
But without any context or nuance it's a bit of a pointless point to make. Why do the three current sides have the worst collective points total in history? Is it because we're three worse sides than any other bottom three in history or is it that the gap between the Championship and the Prem is getting bigger? Last season, the bottom three were chasing down a Forest side that finished with 32 points. Forest have done some more savvy business and are third this season. Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, and Palace have all strengthened, even Everton have. Wolves are our target and they're able to field three Brazil internationals and a smattering of Portuguese internationals. How are we meant to compete with that off the back of one transfer window having not been in the Prem for two decades? |
This. It's an abysmal article, factual but not investigative in the slightest so pointless. They had the chance to dive in-depth to the difference in spend of each of the teams over the past five, ten, fifteen, whatever years, or look into why the promoted three from last season and this have all sunk without trace. Why the gap is growing and what needs to be done to turn things around at League level, rather than just parroting things because the poor sod who was asked to write it probably had to edit the 5000th article on Tottenham's season as well. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:05 - Mar 10 with 866 views | Steve_M |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:46 - Mar 10 by Pique |
Such lazy clickbait nonsense from the BBC, but that's hardly a surprise.
It's nonsense because it takes no account of the standard of the Premier League today and the insane amounts of money that even small-scale outfits like Bournemouth and Brentford have accrued as a result. There's just no comparison to what's gone before.
Are we seriously saying that this season's Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton teams are worse than Swindon in 1993/94? Or Barnsley in 1997/98? Of course not, all three would thrash them without breaking a sweat. |
Or us in 94-95! I know that was a far worse team because I have managed to watch both. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:06 - Mar 10 with 861 views | monty_radio |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:00 - Mar 10 by blueasfook |
Well statistically it's true. We, along with Leicester and Saints are the worst performing three promoted clubs in premier league history. And to suggest the BBC have some kind of vendetta against us is just ridiculous. |
I think that it's important to keep in view that it's as a collective that they are the worst three clubs. It's that fact that draws attention to the increasing difficulty for promoted clubs.
As it stands now Derby County 2007-08: 11 points; Sunderland 2005-06: 15 points
Sheffield United 2023-24: 16 points and Huddersfield Town 2018-19: 16 points finished with less than Town currently have, and Villa accrued 17 in 2015-16. But they were all standouts in those seasons. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:14 - Mar 10 with 846 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
On top of the fact that we have spent 6 season in total in the Premier League, and only one of those was in any way notable. |  |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:20 - Mar 10 with 806 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
I’ve thought for some time that there could be a new rule implemented:
Any side that gets relegated with less than 25 points should be ineligible to gain promotion back to the Premier League the following season.
My basis was to stop the likes of Naarwich, Burnley, West Brom, Sheff Utd yo yoing up and down and offering almost nothing when in the Prem, but I think there’s a strong possibility none of the bottom three get close to that points tally. |  | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:21 - Mar 10 with 795 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:40 - Mar 10 by NeedhamChris |
It's not besides the point, it's a response to a different point (although as always, welcome your contribution)
The post I replied to, claimed we did not have Championship finances and infrastructure. My response was directly in relation to that, and not the wider point. |
No, the post your replied to was "Not from a financial or infrastructure perspective which puts us at a significant disadvantage" ...and that was in response to "We all came from the championship."
So the poster was saying we were at a significant disadvantage compared to Leicester and Southampton, the wider point. They didn't claim we did not have Championship finances and infrastructure. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:28 - Mar 10 with 777 views | waveneyblue |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:53 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
The shadow has arrived.
Manage to get a Bournemouth ticket mate? Hope so |
Haha. No, I can't even get to home games as I haven't got a season ticket and never come out of the ballot or get lucky in the queue.
But thanks for asking | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:31 - Mar 10 with 769 views | waveneyblue |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:21 - Mar 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, the post your replied to was "Not from a financial or infrastructure perspective which puts us at a significant disadvantage" ...and that was in response to "We all came from the championship."
So the poster was saying we were at a significant disadvantage compared to Leicester and Southampton, the wider point. They didn't claim we did not have Championship finances and infrastructure. |
I honestly don't know why you bother arguing with this one. It's a waste of time mate.
Negative, negative, snide, snide and repeat.
As I've said many times it's as if you ordered a Frimmers (the previous version) tribute act from Wish. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:33 - Mar 10 with 765 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:56 - Mar 10 by algy |
First 2 league 1 seasons are irrelevant, our game literally changed when Evans sold us to the Americans and we became the best funded team in League One. Demolition man cleared out the remnants of the era of mediocrity and brought in many better players who benefited from Mck's coaching, several of them are still participating in our team. Has to be said that despite our financial advantage over every league one club we could only finish second to Plymouth and a couple of points clear of the basket case that was SheffWed. If we hadn't got relative loadsamoney McKenna wouldn't have come here. McK benefitted greatly from a financial advantage in L1, we suffer from a financial disadvantage in the Prem. That's football. [Post edited 10 Mar 9:57]
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You can't pretend we weren't in League 1 for 4 seasons just because it now suits your negative narrative.
But regardless, you've completely ignored my main point and the context - "Whilst we had a considerable budget in the final season, we did also sell a lot of players so the net spend wasn't actually outrageous. In fact I'm pretty sure Ashton said it was about level."
Your line, "If we hadn't got relative loadsamoney McKenna wouldn't have come here" is total guesswork and not based on any evidence.
Regardless of all the above, the fact is we had back-to-back promotions from League 1. We were in League 1 for 4 seasons so you can twist it any which way you want: we were a League 1 team. The three previous managers couldn't get us up... and the majority of our spend under McKenna came from selling their players. So the idea McKenna bought his way out of League 1 is a false narrative. | |
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| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:39 - Mar 10 with 749 views | bsw72 |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 09:02 - Mar 10 by blueasfook |
Have an uppie from me mate. The head in the sand deluded crowd dont like the cold hard facts. "Hey we were in league one once" seems to be the de facto get out clause for all our failings. |
Most of us accept the facts, but facts need context to be meaningful, else the story can be misleading.
Without context, a fact can be interpreted in many ways, and here’s where bias starts to play a role.
The fact the BBC present with the headline is that we are among the worst 3 teams in PL history based on just points after ~30 games, but the context of how we got to where we are is a significant part of the story . . . |  | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:42 - Mar 10 with 739 views | bsw72 |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:06 - Mar 10 by monty_radio |
I think that it's important to keep in view that it's as a collective that they are the worst three clubs. It's that fact that draws attention to the increasing difficulty for promoted clubs.
As it stands now Derby County 2007-08: 11 points; Sunderland 2005-06: 15 points
Sheffield United 2023-24: 16 points and Huddersfield Town 2018-19: 16 points finished with less than Town currently have, and Villa accrued 17 in 2015-16. But they were all standouts in those seasons. |
So there are 4 clubs listed below currently on worse points totals for a full season than we and Leicester have now . . . kind of puts a big hole in the BBC headline  | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:53 - Mar 10 with 700 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:42 - Mar 10 by bsw72 |
So there are 4 clubs listed below currently on worse points totals for a full season than we and Leicester have now . . . kind of puts a big hole in the BBC headline |
Although ambiguously worded, the BBC headline is intended to say that the 'collective' bottom three clubs, combining their points tally, is on course to be the worse ever.
This is factually correct, and does highlight the increasingly growing gulf between Championship and Premier league. It's uncomfortable reading, but not specifically aimed at us as an individual club. As others have pointed out, in our case in particular, it does lack context - but ultimately the message is an important one. Each season, the collective performance of the 3 promoted clubs is in decline - no longer is it the case that maybe one struggles badly, but 1 or 2 have a fighting chance. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:55 - Mar 10 with 697 views | PassionNotAnger |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 10:42 - Mar 10 by bsw72 |
So there are 4 clubs listed below currently on worse points totals for a full season than we and Leicester have now . . . kind of puts a big hole in the BBC headline |
Before trying to look clever perhaps you should actually at least look at the article headline
It doesn't say they ARE the three worst clubs but asks IF - (perhaps this changed from when the OP made there post) but it's just a question (albeit very much click-bait article)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjevk7pjg53o
I get some are pretty sensitive about things (including whether Mr Lineker or colleagues gives a patronising mention or not) but I do bet a fair chunk of contributors on this thread haven't even actually read the article. It's not even that controversial or antagonist either really | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 11:09 - Mar 10 with 653 views | OldFart71 |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 07:55 - Mar 10 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
As hard as it is to take, it’s statistically correct, none of the three bottom teams will manage 30pts this season with pretty bad goals against and when all is said and done I’m doubtful any of the three will be close to safety unfortunately. The bottom three last season did better than that but still dropped, even Luton were more competitive than Leicester, Southampton and Ipswich have been and they didn’t spend a fraction of the money, however that’s massively bit them in the backside this season.
Leicester lost the manager who got them promoted and sacked the manager who kept them competitive, Ipswich and Southampton stuck religiously to a style of football that wasn’t possible with the calibre of players they have in the squad, and all three recruited poorly and didn’t make any significant signings in January to give them a chance of becoming competitive in this league. There’s a lot of talk of fine margins but the reality is Leicester and Southampton have all had games where they could have won too and ended up losing, that’s the nature of being the poorer teams in the league, none of those three have squads anywhere near good enough for the Premier League, that upsets some to hear, but the results and tables don’t lie.
We just need to learn from this if we come back up, we can’t sign a bucket load of Championship players who are massively overpriced and try and play football that will win plaudits but not points, both Ipswich and Burnley are living proof that doesn’t work and to some extent Southampton made the same mistake in that regard. |
When we gained promotion to the Premier League some dozen players were required due mainly to loan players going back to their clubs, players retiring or simply not good enough even for the Championship. Most of the players purchased or loaned I didn't see a huge backlash against, if fact a majority of the comments were positive. It's only now that we are staring relegation in the face that the detractors are coming out of the woodwork stating that our procuring of players wasn't good. Our spend according to what has been said was in the region of £130 million. No small sum, but in reality a tiny amount when you consider Kalvin Phillips cost Man City £42 million and Grealish cost them £100 million and he hasn't exactly ripped up the league. In order to get players require we would have had to spend two or three times the £130 million we spent which would of course them put us in jeopardy of breaking fair play rules. As for our spending in January I believe in was done to protect the clubs future. Had we have been safe or on the cusp of safeness then the spend would have been greater. | | | |
| BBC saying the worse three clubs in Premiership history.... on 12:11 - Mar 10 with 568 views | VanDusen |
As someone who watched us (and Leicester) in 1994/5 there is no way these are the worst three teams in Premier League history... | | | |
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