| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? 18:44 - Mar 14 with 7641 views | Zx1988 |
First we had the collective crushing of grapes at the fact that Charles had celebrated Iftar with Muslims on Ash Wednesday, of all days:
https://thecatholicherald.com/why-does-king-charles-choose-to-highlight-ramadan-
And now it seems to be the go-to response to the usual racists commenting on Town's inclusive social media strategy:
Maybe they could give up being racist c0ckw0mbles for Lent? |  |
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| Yep, it could be argued that.... on 20:29 - Mar 14 with 1335 views | vapour_trail |
| Yep, it could be argued that.... on 19:30 - Mar 14 by Bloots |
....the OP is a racist calling out a racist.
I genuinely think that apart from "narrative" and "fallacy" then racist is the most common word used on this forum! |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 20:34 - Mar 14 with 1299 views | NeedhamChris |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 19:37 - Mar 14 by BlueBadger |
Can we all PLEASE consider the feelings of the angry white racists. The REAL victims of bigotry nowadays.
Poor sods can't even call for buildings to be burnt down with women and children inside them without being locked away these days.
PC gorn MAD. |
No-one is saying that, you're either being deliberately obtuse or are so blinded in your disdain that you're unable to think clearly.
It's really not that hard to condemn them for being angry white racist scumbags without engaging in racism yourself. | |
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| Oh, in that case you're excused.... on 20:38 - Mar 14 with 1275 views | NeedhamChris |
| Oh, in that case you're excused.... on 19:41 - Mar 14 by Zx1988 |
What is it, precisely, about this bunch of racist, immigrant hating, transphobic, Islamophobic knuckledraggers, that makes you so keen to jump to their defence? |
A set of values that doesn't change depending on who we're talking about?
You also need to research the definition of 'defence'. It's the racist approach you've taken that's been criticised, not that you're critical of those people. | |
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| Not defending anyone..... on 20:47 - Mar 14 with 1241 views | jontysnut |
| Not defending anyone..... on 20:03 - Mar 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats not how it works. In fact its the opposite of how it works. The whole issue of stereotyping is that you tar a racial group with a particular brush by connecting the criticism to their skin colour! |
Stereotyping isn't racism Is it? |  | | |
| Not defending anyone..... on 20:51 - Mar 14 with 1219 views | NeedhamChris |
| Not defending anyone..... on 20:47 - Mar 14 by jontysnut |
Stereotyping isn't racism Is it? |
Not sure where to start here... | |
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| Not defending anyone..... on 20:58 - Mar 14 with 1207 views | jontysnut |
| Not defending anyone..... on 20:51 - Mar 14 by NeedhamChris |
Not sure where to start here... |
So I'm a Yorkshireman. I'm stereotypically mean. That isn't defined by the colour of my skin. | | | |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:17 - Mar 14 with 1182 views | PhilTWTD |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 18:53 - Mar 14 by Bloots |
....the term "gammon" was racist? |
Really not. Whole thread is ridiculous. |  | | |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:26 - Mar 14 with 1161 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 18:47 - Mar 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Absolutely no one celebrates or wishes people a happy lent. So they are being nobs. Lent is a pointless opportunity for very modest self denial, as a precursor to the spring equinox celebration. Very few people I have ever met take it remotely seriously. |
You probably haven’t met many ‘real’ Christians. As opposed to the people who tick the Christian box on the census, but haven’t been near a church since they were 8 for their school nativity play.
Most religious people I know take it seriously. My missus always does it. She tried to get me to give up beer, but I patiently reminded her that I’m about as religious as a duck. |  |
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| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:33 - Mar 14 with 1132 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:26 - Mar 14 by Swansea_Blue |
You probably haven’t met many ‘real’ Christians. As opposed to the people who tick the Christian box on the census, but haven’t been near a church since they were 8 for their school nativity play.
Most religious people I know take it seriously. My missus always does it. She tried to get me to give up beer, but I patiently reminded her that I’m about as religious as a duck. |
Oh I have. I grew up with them. Still wasnt a thing.
Its absurd. Clearly. | | | |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:37 - Mar 14 with 1117 views | NeedhamChris |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:33 - Mar 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Oh I have. I grew up with them. Still wasnt a thing.
Its absurd. Clearly. |
This thread is full of hypocritical positions.
Anti-racists using a racist (according to many) term
And now people who expect tolerance demonstrating intolerance.
I'm not religious, but the idea you can claim to understand the thoughts of all religious people re: Lent is a little bit ridiculous. | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:46 - Mar 14 with 1082 views | NeedhamChris |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:17 - Mar 14 by PhilTWTD |
Really not. Whole thread is ridiculous. |
As per Wikipedia...
Gammon is a pejorative term popularised in British political culture since the 2010s. The term refers to the colour of a white person's flushed face, which purportedly resembles the type of pork of the same name.
Whether you agree with that or not, it's not the most ridiculous position to have is it? Unless the colour of a white persons face has nothing to do with race. [Post edited 14 Mar 21:47]
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:58 - Mar 14 with 1050 views | PhilTWTD |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:46 - Mar 14 by NeedhamChris |
As per Wikipedia...
Gammon is a pejorative term popularised in British political culture since the 2010s. The term refers to the colour of a white person's flushed face, which purportedly resembles the type of pork of the same name.
Whether you agree with that or not, it's not the most ridiculous position to have is it? Unless the colour of a white persons face has nothing to do with race. [Post edited 14 Mar 21:47]
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It's not a term which relates to race but to faces turned red with indignant anger. | | | |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:59 - Mar 14 with 1039 views | Mullet |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 18:53 - Mar 14 by Bloots |
....the term "gammon" was racist? |
Always thought it was more classist to be honest. |  |
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| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 22:08 - Mar 14 with 989 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is Lent the new Gammon cause celebre? on 21:33 - Mar 14 by redrickstuhaart |
Oh I have. I grew up with them. Still wasnt a thing.
Its absurd. Clearly. |
Maybe it’s a Welsh thing then, as they go nuts for it in the chapels around here. Fk knows, none of it makes any sense to me  | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:08 - Mar 14 with 985 views | vapour_trail |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:58 - Mar 14 by PhilTWTD |
It's not a term which relates to race but to faces turned red with indignant anger. |
I’m going to disagree with you here, Phil.
I believe your interpretation was how the term was initially deployed, but the racists (can you check boots is ok with that word being used) have since reclaimed it as a culture war defence tactic.
So I agree with warriors like needham, best leave it alone. | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:10 - Mar 14 with 972 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:58 - Mar 14 by PhilTWTD |
It's not a term which relates to race but to faces turned red with indignant anger. |
It’s a bit harsh on pigs though. Maybe it’s speciesist. | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:14 - Mar 14 with 944 views | NeedhamChris |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 21:58 - Mar 14 by PhilTWTD |
It's not a term which relates to race but to faces turned red with indignant anger. |
Specifically white faces turned red with indignant anger?
Clearly a matter of opinion though. It has changed a bit from the early uses (James o brien used it a lot) - which I think is what you're mostly referring to. [Post edited 14 Mar 22:15]
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:14 - Mar 14 with 935 views | PhilTWTD |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:08 - Mar 14 by vapour_trail |
I’m going to disagree with you here, Phil.
I believe your interpretation was how the term was initially deployed, but the racists (can you check boots is ok with that word being used) have since reclaimed it as a culture war defence tactic.
So I agree with warriors like needham, best leave it alone. |
I don't see that that changes its meaning. | | | |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:17 - Mar 14 with 921 views | PhilTWTD |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:14 - Mar 14 by NeedhamChris |
Specifically white faces turned red with indignant anger?
Clearly a matter of opinion though. It has changed a bit from the early uses (James o brien used it a lot) - which I think is what you're mostly referring to. [Post edited 14 Mar 22:15]
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I don't think it is, to be honest. It's not a term of prejudice against a race, it's a term for people who hold particular views and express them in a specific manner. | | | |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:20 - Mar 14 with 900 views | vapour_trail |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:14 - Mar 14 by PhilTWTD |
I don't see that that changes its meaning. |
Language evolves.
Your interpretation is as valid as mine of course.
Either way, it’s giving the %^*+= on this thread a drum to bang. | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:21 - Mar 14 with 887 views | Mullet |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:10 - Mar 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a bit harsh on pigs though. Maybe it’s speciesist. |
Gammon is salty and often quite thick. I’m not helping am I? | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:24 - Mar 14 with 851 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:21 - Mar 14 by Mullet |
Gammon is salty and often quite thick. I’m not helping am I? |
Not really!  | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:26 - Mar 14 with 847 views | NeedhamChris |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:20 - Mar 14 by vapour_trail |
Language evolves.
Your interpretation is as valid as mine of course.
Either way, it’s giving the %^*+= on this thread a drum to bang. |
To be clear - I agree with you. It's complex, language evolves and means different things to different people. I personally don't find it offensive to me (I don't think I'm the target audience), however as we're not short of other applicable insults to that group, seems unnecessary to risk one that is so closely linked to colour.
I just thought the description of the thread as ridiculous based on one viewpoint was a bit harsh. [Post edited 14 Mar 22:27]
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:30 - Mar 14 with 816 views | vapour_trail |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:26 - Mar 14 by NeedhamChris |
To be clear - I agree with you. It's complex, language evolves and means different things to different people. I personally don't find it offensive to me (I don't think I'm the target audience), however as we're not short of other applicable insults to that group, seems unnecessary to risk one that is so closely linked to colour.
I just thought the description of the thread as ridiculous based on one viewpoint was a bit harsh. [Post edited 14 Mar 22:27]
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To be clear, I don’t agree with you.
I think you’re a negative presence here. | |
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| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:35 - Mar 14 with 783 views | NeedhamChris |
| I thought it was agreed that.... on 22:30 - Mar 14 by vapour_trail |
To be clear, I don’t agree with you.
I think you’re a negative presence here. |
What do you disagree with?
Another one to add to the list of friendly, tolerant lefties who play people rather than posts. | |
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