| Forest 1st goal 09:17 - Mar 19 with 2384 views | leftback |
Completely changed the game, obviously we need to defend the way they recycled the corner better but I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere about the calamitous way the initial corner was conceded in the first place , had Muric hesitated and blasted against his own defender for a corner he would have got absolute pelters |  | | |  |
| Forest 1st goal on 09:27 - Mar 19 with 2315 views | portmanking |
You make a good point.
As per my post in another thread, I'm not sure Palmer is the lightning rod that some make him out to be.
Has he actually been *that* much better than Muric bar the Villa game?
His save percentage as an Ipswich player has been woeful (54%-55%), compared with 74% for WBA. Even Muric's save percentage this season is 67%.
Muric's passing accuracy at short and long distances is also better. He has 39 high claims in the box compared with Palmer's five - and we wonder why we're looking vulnerable at set plays all of a sudden!
Looking at the data of each player, it's obviously those 5x errors leading to goals which blots Muric's copybook. | | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 09:36 - Mar 19 with 2273 views | BseaBlue |
| Forest 1st goal on 09:27 - Mar 19 by portmanking |
You make a good point.
As per my post in another thread, I'm not sure Palmer is the lightning rod that some make him out to be.
Has he actually been *that* much better than Muric bar the Villa game?
His save percentage as an Ipswich player has been woeful (54%-55%), compared with 74% for WBA. Even Muric's save percentage this season is 67%.
Muric's passing accuracy at short and long distances is also better. He has 39 high claims in the box compared with Palmer's five - and we wonder why we're looking vulnerable at set plays all of a sudden!
Looking at the data of each player, it's obviously those 5x errors leading to goals which blots Muric's copybook. |
Certainly some interesting figures there! The only thing I'd say is that Palmer has come in at a time where we look like we are at our lowest.
Had he have been here when we were looking more confident at the start of the season, I still think we could be 'X' amount of points better off without the errors leading to goals. |  | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:39 - Mar 19 with 2083 views | mistert |
| Forest 1st goal on 09:36 - Mar 19 by BseaBlue |
Certainly some interesting figures there! The only thing I'd say is that Palmer has come in at a time where we look like we are at our lowest.
Had he have been here when we were looking more confident at the start of the season, I still think we could be 'X' amount of points better off without the errors leading to goals. |
It's difficult to say though. Everyone (unsurprisingly) focuses on Muric's errors but what about his dominance in the air at set pieces and other attributes that possibly prevented more goals being conceded?
Perhaps Muric was part of the reason we came so much closer in some of those those early games. I'm not saying it was wrong to drop him and confidence was clearly shaken but It's a very exposed position. I still can't agree with people saying he's the worst signing in the clubs history and I hope he proves people wrong. |  | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:54 - Mar 19 with 1996 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Forest 1st goal on 09:36 - Mar 19 by BseaBlue |
Certainly some interesting figures there! The only thing I'd say is that Palmer has come in at a time where we look like we are at our lowest.
Had he have been here when we were looking more confident at the start of the season, I still think we could be 'X' amount of points better off without the errors leading to goals. |
I made the point a few months ago when people were slating both Muric and Walton, that the keeper was only part of the problem, the backline this season has been poor.
Davis, hasn't had the season we expected, neither O'Shea or Greaves were good enough defenders for the Premier League, and our best option at right back barely plays with Ben Johnson also mostly looking like a Championship player, and Godfrey allegedly already sent packing. Our recruitment at the back has been a key part of why we have been so poor there this season, and its not just on the keeper, but the defence and midfield as well. Phillips has only just got back to fitness and Morsy has slowed up as the season has gone on which has not helped our cause.
Poor old Palmer has conceded 15 goals in 7 games for Town. That's two a game basically, and we're never scoring more than 2 a game in this league. It's not entirely on him, he's done an okay job, but we desperately needed a right back in January and the best we could manage is Godfrey and that's why we are down, you can't get away with that type of barrel-scraped signing in this league. |  |
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| Forest 1st goal on 11:58 - Mar 19 with 1988 views | EdwardStone |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:39 - Mar 19 by mistert |
It's difficult to say though. Everyone (unsurprisingly) focuses on Muric's errors but what about his dominance in the air at set pieces and other attributes that possibly prevented more goals being conceded?
Perhaps Muric was part of the reason we came so much closer in some of those those early games. I'm not saying it was wrong to drop him and confidence was clearly shaken but It's a very exposed position. I still can't agree with people saying he's the worst signing in the clubs history and I hope he proves people wrong. |
I am a bit of a Muric fan.... very mobile for a fella of his considerable size and I always admired the way he snatched the ball out of the air.
Every goal that Palmer lets in, I ask myself....would Muric have saved that? Frequently the answer is a yes.
Sadly, I think playing against top tier strikers behind an inexperienced back line has destroyed his poise and confidence; I don't see a way back into our side here.
Regretably, it is probably for the best that he moves on... a shame because there is a really good keeper in their if he could be trained out of his momentary brain farts |  | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 12:37 - Mar 19 with 1823 views | bsw72 |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:58 - Mar 19 by EdwardStone |
I am a bit of a Muric fan.... very mobile for a fella of his considerable size and I always admired the way he snatched the ball out of the air.
Every goal that Palmer lets in, I ask myself....would Muric have saved that? Frequently the answer is a yes.
Sadly, I think playing against top tier strikers behind an inexperienced back line has destroyed his poise and confidence; I don't see a way back into our side here.
Regretably, it is probably for the best that he moves on... a shame because there is a really good keeper in their if he could be trained out of his momentary brain farts |
I’m pretty sure Walton will move on in the summer, I think he is behind the other 3 on ability. Muric was the scapegoat for an overall porous defence earlier in the season, then the fans got on his back. Slicker is the future hopefully so it leaves Palmer and Muric to scrap for top spot, although Muric’s wages may see him move on in the summer too. |  | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 16:52 - Mar 19 with 1660 views | badadski |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:39 - Mar 19 by mistert |
It's difficult to say though. Everyone (unsurprisingly) focuses on Muric's errors but what about his dominance in the air at set pieces and other attributes that possibly prevented more goals being conceded?
Perhaps Muric was part of the reason we came so much closer in some of those those early games. I'm not saying it was wrong to drop him and confidence was clearly shaken but It's a very exposed position. I still can't agree with people saying he's the worst signing in the clubs history and I hope he proves people wrong. |
We look far more exposed at corners without Muric as no corner ended up any where close to the first 10 yards from golaline with him in goal however i do fell regardless of stats that Palmer is a better looking goalie and has far better longer kicks and general awareness. Just feel more comfortable whoever not writing Muric off as think he will be very good in the Championship once the initial price tag pressure has wore off an hopefully he has got over his injury as he was barely kicking passed the half way line at times. | | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 20:15 - Mar 19 with 1518 views | skinnybob72 |
Thought this at the time, a Sunday morning pub team would be embarrassed to give away that corner.
However, rather than steady ourselves after that setback we did what I imagine Forest would have hoped for, eagerly pile forward in search of an equaliser only to get caught on the break.
For 34 minutes it was a nothing game with neither side doing much - and 8 minutes later we were 0-3 and it's game over. Man CIty game was very similar. | | | |
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| Forest 1st goal on 23:33 - Mar 19 with 1328 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:58 - Mar 19 by EdwardStone |
I am a bit of a Muric fan.... very mobile for a fella of his considerable size and I always admired the way he snatched the ball out of the air.
Every goal that Palmer lets in, I ask myself....would Muric have saved that? Frequently the answer is a yes.
Sadly, I think playing against top tier strikers behind an inexperienced back line has destroyed his poise and confidence; I don't see a way back into our side here.
Regretably, it is probably for the best that he moves on... a shame because there is a really good keeper in their if he could be trained out of his momentary brain farts |
I agree that muric has the raw materials to be an excellent keeper.
I also agree that his start at the club was difficult with an unsettled back four in front of him
My main worry is that he is a quiet keeper and I would imagine that having made a couple of mistakes, he would probably go into his shell
I sense is that what Palmer has brought is communication, which ought to have helped in the organisation at the back - I think was the case at first, but may have dissipated somewhat now
Not sure how you get Aro to be more commanding of his defenders - but that feels like the key to this | | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 00:08 - Mar 20 with 1283 views | stonojnr |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:54 - Mar 19 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
I made the point a few months ago when people were slating both Muric and Walton, that the keeper was only part of the problem, the backline this season has been poor.
Davis, hasn't had the season we expected, neither O'Shea or Greaves were good enough defenders for the Premier League, and our best option at right back barely plays with Ben Johnson also mostly looking like a Championship player, and Godfrey allegedly already sent packing. Our recruitment at the back has been a key part of why we have been so poor there this season, and its not just on the keeper, but the defence and midfield as well. Phillips has only just got back to fitness and Morsy has slowed up as the season has gone on which has not helped our cause.
Poor old Palmer has conceded 15 goals in 7 games for Town. That's two a game basically, and we're never scoring more than 2 a game in this league. It's not entirely on him, he's done an okay job, but we desperately needed a right back in January and the best we could manage is Godfrey and that's why we are down, you can't get away with that type of barrel-scraped signing in this league. |
Said similar, the goalkeeper is 1 player on the pitch, we should expect the other 10 to be doing things to influence the game so the ball doesn't spend so long in the areas where the other team are likeliest to score that you have to rely on the GK to dig you out of the hole that you created by not focussing properly.
The point I think is more it highlights how unnecessary the criticism of Muric was,as Palmer is making mistakes that are leading to goals | | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 06:23 - Mar 20 with 1148 views | Benters |
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| Forest 1st goal on 06:44 - Mar 20 with 1119 views | NeedhamChris |
Personally think Palmer has been alright, but overrated as a result of people being keen to blame Muric.
He needed taking out, even if only to take him out of the firing line. However I'd be pretty happy with him as our Championship keeper next year with Palmer fighting for it too. | |
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| Forest 1st goal on 07:32 - Mar 20 with 1043 views | Churchman |
Forests goal was on its way regardless.
Our team was retreating to its own half, momentum dissolving. Even Delap was dropping back. We gave the ball away cheaply something like three times in the couple of minutes leading up to it. Phillips also spent about five minutes off the field putting a boot back on and any competitiveness we had on the game was gone. Once Forest got the bit between their teeth, usual story.
That’s the Premier League though. It’s plain harsh if you are not good enough individually and collectively. |  | | |
| Forest 1st goal on 10:36 - Mar 20 with 878 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Forest 1st goal on 11:58 - Mar 19 by EdwardStone |
I am a bit of a Muric fan.... very mobile for a fella of his considerable size and I always admired the way he snatched the ball out of the air.
Every goal that Palmer lets in, I ask myself....would Muric have saved that? Frequently the answer is a yes.
Sadly, I think playing against top tier strikers behind an inexperienced back line has destroyed his poise and confidence; I don't see a way back into our side here.
Regretably, it is probably for the best that he moves on... a shame because there is a really good keeper in their if he could be trained out of his momentary brain farts |
Always felt the same. I think people forget some the big saves he's made to then quickly criticise the mistakes.
There were big moments where he made saves which gave us a chance (even if the final result did see us lose out). Spurs away at the end 1v1 with Solanke, Brentford away at 3-2 the 1v1 with Wissa, then later on we get back in at 3-3, Brighton away.
But I agree on the best that he moves on part. I don't think the fans here will ever get behind him again and he's probably best of moving to Germany, France or Italy for top flight football there and out of the spotlight here in England. |  |
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| Forest 1st goal on 13:56 - Mar 20 with 736 views | Radlett_blue |
| Forest 1st goal on 07:32 - Mar 20 by Churchman |
Forests goal was on its way regardless.
Our team was retreating to its own half, momentum dissolving. Even Delap was dropping back. We gave the ball away cheaply something like three times in the couple of minutes leading up to it. Phillips also spent about five minutes off the field putting a boot back on and any competitiveness we had on the game was gone. Once Forest got the bit between their teeth, usual story.
That’s the Premier League though. It’s plain harsh if you are not good enough individually and collectively. |
Agreed, Forest were gaining control. Every team concedes soft goals, but our problem is that when we concede one, often in a game which has been fairly even up until then, we often then concede another fairly quickly & given that we find goals hard to come by at this level, the game is beyond us.
In eh Championship (& League 1) we were good enough to ride through the shock of going behind, but at Premier League level, we are not so I think we've long needed a plan "B" after we concede, consisting of battening down the hatches for 10 minutes or so, rather than immediately pushing forward, looking for a quick equaliser. |  |
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