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Alternatively come Saturday night, gap could be down to 6 pts, but I doubt it. I’m resigned to relegation but hopeful we can make a bit of a fist of it in the last quarter of the season.
I really want us to finish above Leicester and Southampton though.
Alternatively come Saturday night, gap could be down to 6 pts, but I doubt it. I’m resigned to relegation but hopeful we can make a bit of a fist of it in the last quarter of the season.
I really want us to finish above Leicester and Southampton though.
Could be down to 3 lol. Wolves lose to West Ham and us and we beat wolves and Bournemouth lol.
You keep fighting and never give up. Simple as that.
How am I feeling? Very disappointed in truth. Obviously it was always a tall order, but I hoped we’d settle and improve second half of the season, but sadly it’s the opposition sides that have done that.
On the upside, the players and staff have really tried. They’ve done their best. I can live with that. If you are not good enough, be better next time.
Mistakes? Plenty, through the top of the club to the team. You can learn from mistakes. You can’t learn if you don’t have heart and the right attitude and given we have that, we will do ok next year should the worst happen, as is likely.
Could be down to 3 lol. Wolves lose to West Ham and us and we beat wolves and Bournemouth lol.
Bit of a stretch but you never know
Actually will never happen
We were lifted out of the bottom 3 before the Brighton game, we had everything to play for and came out, certainly at half time, with absolutely nothing. We had Southampton at home, and walked onto the pitch looking beat. This is a mental issue as much as anything else. Ordinarily, I'd say a team in the bottom three could close the gap by winning two on the bounce; it is not impossible, but it will be for us. We just don't have the ability to turn games, and don't have the passion and fight to make up for the shortcomings in the playing ability. We have resigned ourselves to relegation, and that's why we won't manage 30 points this season.
We deserve to go down based on how we’ve done so far. The last 5 or 6 games has been a real disappointment at a time when we needed to match or do slightly better than a poor Wolves team. We’ll probably go down now and that’s fine. I don’t really care if we do. But I do care that we don’t go down with a whimper. I hope we can somehow find a couple of wins from somewhere soon to give us a reason to hope/believe until the end.
I think we're going down but also think it won't matter as long as we take the lessons and have a proper push next season. Had not expected a drop-off quite as severe as we've seen but there are a number of mitigating factors and I feel far from devastated.
You keep fighting and never give up. Simple as that.
How am I feeling? Very disappointed in truth. Obviously it was always a tall order, but I hoped we’d settle and improve second half of the season, but sadly it’s the opposition sides that have done that.
On the upside, the players and staff have really tried. They’ve done their best. I can live with that. If you are not good enough, be better next time.
Mistakes? Plenty, through the top of the club to the team. You can learn from mistakes. You can’t learn if you don’t have heart and the right attitude and given we have that, we will do ok next year should the worst happen, as is likely.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
I feel like we're gone, think Wolves get something tonight. Even a point would be the final nail. Biggest disappointment is we've not kept it alive until late April, especially with our final four games - which look *OK* on paper.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
Ah, Philogene's body language is suspect? Here we go again.
Why is the simplest explanation that we aren't quite good enough and players confidence is now fragile, not good enough? It has to be insinuations about them not caring or trying.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
If we lacked passion and fight in this league we'd be losing 6-0 every week. We just haven't been good enough. And do give the cod body language analysis a rest, it's not a good look at all and tends to say more about the poster than the players in question.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
The body language argument. A classic. Anyone see the Overlap interview with Axel recently where he said that players spend the entirety of PL games in heart rate zones 5 & 6? Which is basically anaerobic for 90 minutes, and a big change to just a few years ago.
We cannot conceive of how hard these boys are working at this level, in the most competitive PL ever. The fact we're missing a couple of % of quality doesn't necessitate this type of abuse.
Linking interview for anyone interested, from 35:50:
But back in the real world....yeah, we're done. The Southampton game did it for me, as I suspect it did for a lot of people. I'm disappointed but not downhearted - we gave it a go, we're just not good enough. No disgrace in that.
And the Championships far more fun anyway. Eight more games, on the TV at *least* 21 times (minimum of 20 league games plus at least one Carabao game), and we go back with a shed load of cash.
Mind you, if a miracle does happen and we stay up, we need a mega statue of McKenna standing astride the Orwell, facing towards Norwich, giving the finger.
I still think it's possible, the gap can close as quickly as it opened. Four games ago*, we were just two points (plus GD) from safety. There are nine matches left, including at home against the team we're attempting to chase.
Do I think it's likely? It's a big ask, given the lack of any points from the last four (three of whom were mid table, tho two in very good form and Spurs beginning to pick up), but not impossible. However, it is very dependent upon other teams' results - and us being able to win some matches ourselves.
* Seem longer than that because of FA Cup games and a vastly extended international break.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
I have seen them up close. Nobody is ‘going through the motions’.
Philogene has been here two months and because of a perverse hatred born of what his previous club got up to people were after him from minute one - same as Muric. I saw a player in a poor team trying. He wanted the ball last home game and wasn’t getting it half the time and was swamped when he did.
Delap? It’s hard to stay involved in the game when the other players are camped on the edge or inside their own penalty area and you are 40 yards away. Is he getting tired now? Of course. He’s a young player in a very demanding environment. I’m amazed he’s kept any fitness at all.
Phillips? I’m one of his biggest critics and think bringing him in has not benefitted us at all, but I don’t see him not trying. I see a player trying to be what he was and falling short. At that level it doesn’t take much to go from top international player to nowhere if you lose a bit fitness wise, touch, confidence. But I won’t criticise his effort.
Passion and fight? What exactly are you expecting to see? Ten men every game? The old Fashanu leg breaker or Vinny teeth removing elbow? The game isn’t like that. It’s fast, technical and if your touch is off or you make an error they’re all over you. Putting it simply, we are not good enough collectively or in many cases individually. You may see shame in that. I do not.
If you have ever played sport you will know that when it’s not going well your confidence will fall away. You will question everything you do. It’s how it is but that’s not the same as not trying, which is what you are accusing them of.
I did see lack of effort from Paul Jewell’s team at the end of his time and players more interested in the boozer than the ball. Saw it with McGiven’s team too. After the Wednesday hammering the supporters invaded the pitch to register their fury at it. I don’t blame them (we walked out for the first time ever). Carlton Palmer had walked through the whole team like Maradona and scored which our lot hardly bothering to look at him let alone try tackling him - and George Best he certainly wasn’t!
That was what lack of effort looked like and if I see that in the current team, I will be the first to call it out and want the manager out too. Lack of effort and giving in are two things I hate most.
Done their best? The legacy players from League One and the Champ maybe, but look at the body language of some of the players the past few games, especially Phillips, Philogene even Delap some of them seem to be just going through the motions. How many games have we had so far we look even worse in the second half with players either passing aimlessly to each other in their own half or running headless into cul de sacs?
Conceding and losing to a 10 man ManUre team who are the worst in decades and losing at home to possible the worst Prem club in history just shows how dismal the season is. I don’t mind losing, but at least show some passion and fight ffs!
I honestly don't see how anyone who's been watching the games recently can say players are just going through the motions.
Take Philogene - yes, you can maybe question some of his decision making, but not his effort imo. Look at how his tracking back / defensive game has developed since he first played. His patience when the ball isn't played out to him.
This continued vendetta against players that didn't come up with us from L1 & the Championship is no help to the team. Of course, reasonable criticism of individual players when they don't perform is ok, but these broad brush statements are just so off-piste.
In fact it risks being part of the reason the team struggles. Get behind the entire, team and what will be, will be.
Our nemesis is probably the three games with Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle. If you take those three out of the equation we then have six games and we need 10 points more than Wolves. As we can't or haven't been able to beat teams like Southampton I think it's pretty unlikely we will stay up. In many ways it's sad that players like Delap we will only have the pleasure of for one season and that's a season where we have struggled all over the pitch. Blue Monday seems to think Hutchinson and Davis could go as well. So a fair bit of rejigging given that Cajuste and Phillips will go. Taylor may be kept but hasn't been able to keep his place and both Morsy and Loungo won't be around for much longer.
I honestly don't see how anyone who's been watching the games recently can say players are just going through the motions.
Take Philogene - yes, you can maybe question some of his decision making, but not his effort imo. Look at how his tracking back / defensive game has developed since he first played. His patience when the ball isn't played out to him.
This continued vendetta against players that didn't come up with us from L1 & the Championship is no help to the team. Of course, reasonable criticism of individual players when they don't perform is ok, but these broad brush statements are just so off-piste.
In fact it risks being part of the reason the team struggles. Get behind the entire, team and what will be, will be.
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Jack Clarke another example. His tracking back and defensive effort is massively changed from the early games, now fully committed all the time.
Final 9 for us: AFCB = sad post cup exit - heart wont be in it Wolves = ex Cunha - be surprised if they end with 11 on the pitch Chelsea = we have proved that they are vulnerable - manager got a rep for tailing off in second half of seasons Arsenal = their focus will be on Champions League Newcastle = they have won their cup - still on the sauce Everton = on the beach Brentford = we were as good as them with 10 men, never mind 11 Leicester = rubbish West Ham = the beaches of on the beach teams
Not sure why anyone thinks we are relegated yet....
Final 9 for us: AFCB = sad post cup exit - heart wont be in it Wolves = ex Cunha - be surprised if they end with 11 on the pitch Chelsea = we have proved that they are vulnerable - manager got a rep for tailing off in second half of seasons Arsenal = their focus will be on Champions League Newcastle = they have won their cup - still on the sauce Everton = on the beach Brentford = we were as good as them with 10 men, never mind 11 Leicester = rubbish West Ham = the beaches of on the beach teams
Not sure why anyone thinks we are relegated yet....
I get what you are saying (bar Newcastle on the sauce in a months time).
However, Arsenal would beat us with half their team rested. We play them after the second leg vs Madrid so I'd say likely they'll be out by then. Also they don't play Palace the week after now so no need to rest players (unless that game gets brought forward to the midweek)
3 of those teams wolves have to play too (the last 3).
If somehow we can only be 6 points behind before the Wolves game then game on, though we are running out of games. We need to do something we haven't done most of the season......and win some games. Otherwise its pointless worrying about Wolves.
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