| Southampton and Leicester 19:04 - Apr 8 with 9024 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Lots of talk this week about how bad these two teams are.
- Southampton being the earliest team to be relegated.
- Leicester having 8 home defeats without scoring a single goal.
Sobering to think that we haven't managed to beat either of these teams this season.
We really need to beat Leicester away to regain some pride. |  |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 14:53 - Apr 10 with 1693 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Southampton and Leicester on 14:33 - Apr 10 by darkhorse28 |
Hmm didn’t we (net) spend more than both of them combined the last two windows?
I get the ‘plucky’ narrative if we hadn’t, totally agree, but as a measure we actually did spend £125 million net, the second most in the league, and one of the bigger spends in the whole of Europe.., and yes that’s from a low base, but indexed to that, we’ve not really improved on the pitch either.., so we’ve definitely had a worse 12 months than either (off the pitch).
Both will be in a better position than us to spend, as a consequence, I’d think. We look in a poor position. In terms of governance.
We might need to do a Leicester and fudge accounting periods : )) |
We appear to be in a very strong position PSR-wise - headroom from the prior 3 year accounting periods, and signings with contracts mostly across 5 years, so limited liability for the 2025 accounts when they come out next April.
As for spending over the last 12 months, that is for a club that has been out of the premiership for 22 years, and 4 in league 1. Having been in league 1 the season before last. Our squad was way off the other EPL clubs when we were prompted - and even after recruitment, the value of the squad is way below any of the other clubs.
As for the other promoted clubs, Leicester are in a very poor PSR position, which has severely restricted their ability to recruit. They will likely have the book thrown at them by the EFL next season - who haven't been able to pursue them this season, having no jurisdiction whilst they are in the EPL. They will probably continue to have little scope for big signings, even if they can sell to help get back on track with PSR.
Southampton have been selling the big assets for the last few season just to tread water - they are likely to have to do the same this summer, unlike Town, which will further weaken them. |  | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 16:36 - Apr 10 with 1628 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Well we have 3 more points than Leicester after 31 games and we had not won in 2025 until this time last week. The eye test suggests we are best of the three relegated sides but we'd been on a pretty dire run ourselves which included a few heavy defeats.
Leicester are truly awful though whenever I have seen them under RVN.
I think the biggest annoyance is both of those sides sacked their manager and had issues, the feeling around the respective clubs and the fanbases was bad. KM stayed and we kept Delap fit all season but are only 1 win above Leicester. To be honest if they kept Cooper, I suspect they'd be above us. [Post edited 10 Apr 16:40]
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| Southampton and Leicester on 17:55 - Apr 10 with 1580 views | Blue_Heath |
| Southampton and Leicester on 16:36 - Apr 10 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Well we have 3 more points than Leicester after 31 games and we had not won in 2025 until this time last week. The eye test suggests we are best of the three relegated sides but we'd been on a pretty dire run ourselves which included a few heavy defeats.
Leicester are truly awful though whenever I have seen them under RVN.
I think the biggest annoyance is both of those sides sacked their manager and had issues, the feeling around the respective clubs and the fanbases was bad. KM stayed and we kept Delap fit all season but are only 1 win above Leicester. To be honest if they kept Cooper, I suspect they'd be above us. [Post edited 10 Apr 16:40]
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Sadly I have to agree.
3 points is hardly a metric of being so much better. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 18:04 - Apr 10 with 1572 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Southampton and Leicester on 17:55 - Apr 10 by Blue_Heath |
Sadly I have to agree.
3 points is hardly a metric of being so much better. |
Yeah, it's pretty constant noise around here but over 31 games? Also Cooper would have got them more points IMO. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 21:55 - Apr 14 with 1422 views | darkhorse28 |
| Southampton and Leicester on 14:36 - Apr 10 by positivity |
compare the spending over the last 10 windows, and see what ipswich're up against
interested to see your workings on "one of the bigger squads" in europe. it's 25, same as every prem club! |
One of the bigger spends. Second biggest in lthe prem (net) and more than any champions league side.
Suprised you think that’s controversial - it’s not my opinion, it’s just what we spent. I didn’t spend it. Don’t shoot the messenger.
We didn’t get good value, over soent, for lower quality than most teams.
Forest had a better spend over the last two seasons of about £65 million.., almost half what we spent.
No only can it be done, it can get you in the champions league.., and we paid our manager more than theirs too.., he’s paid more than Moyes, Emry, Irriola, Franks, Silva, Hurzeler, Howe.., these are elite, and even world class managers, they’ve won lots of European trophies, domestic trophies.., our manger is paid more than any of them.
It’s not to suggest he’s not a talented coach and manager but do you think he’s better than any of those?? Because we needed to be elite, we had the resources to be elite, but not the outcomes.
If we keep making the same mistakes, nothing will change. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 22:52 - Apr 14 with 1349 views | positivity |
| Southampton and Leicester on 21:55 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
One of the bigger spends. Second biggest in lthe prem (net) and more than any champions league side.
Suprised you think that’s controversial - it’s not my opinion, it’s just what we spent. I didn’t spend it. Don’t shoot the messenger.
We didn’t get good value, over soent, for lower quality than most teams.
Forest had a better spend over the last two seasons of about £65 million.., almost half what we spent.
No only can it be done, it can get you in the champions league.., and we paid our manager more than theirs too.., he’s paid more than Moyes, Emry, Irriola, Franks, Silva, Hurzeler, Howe.., these are elite, and even world class managers, they’ve won lots of European trophies, domestic trophies.., our manger is paid more than any of them.
It’s not to suggest he’s not a talented coach and manager but do you think he’s better than any of those?? Because we needed to be elite, we had the resources to be elite, but not the outcomes.
If we keep making the same mistakes, nothing will change. |
look at our net spend over the last 10 windows, we had to spend vastly more than the other clubs to come close tp matching them, and we'll have to do it again to even compete. we've bought young with good resale value.
forest's 65m was spent on top of an illegally high 1st year spend, and vastly higher wage bills which is now affordable through 6 windows of prem money. we're fishing in a totally different pool.
you seem very naive as to the extent of the challenge facing teams who go up now, particularly those who haven't been blessed with recent prem/parachute money.
the hard reality is that we're in a mini league of 3, of these we were the underdogs financially, yet we're currently narrowly ahead of our rivals | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 with 1309 views | darkhorse28 |
| Southampton and Leicester on 22:52 - Apr 14 by positivity |
look at our net spend over the last 10 windows, we had to spend vastly more than the other clubs to come close tp matching them, and we'll have to do it again to even compete. we've bought young with good resale value.
forest's 65m was spent on top of an illegally high 1st year spend, and vastly higher wage bills which is now affordable through 6 windows of prem money. we're fishing in a totally different pool.
you seem very naive as to the extent of the challenge facing teams who go up now, particularly those who haven't been blessed with recent prem/parachute money.
the hard reality is that we're in a mini league of 3, of these we were the underdogs financially, yet we're currently narrowly ahead of our rivals |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 00:11 - Apr 15 with 1277 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Southampton and Leicester on 20:17 - Apr 8 by billlm |
We're no better |
That’s unfair. Every neutral and pundit says they’ve enjoyed Ipswich this season and we’ve been a fun addition to the league, we’ve just lacked the cutting edge at times and the finer margins have been against us. We’re going down and rightly so but not through any lack of effort and we’ve brought something to the league. That’s been the general consensus.
Whereas Southampton and Leicester have stunk the gaf out |  |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 08:38 - Apr 15 with 1143 views | NthQldITFC |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
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| 'Toxic positivity' on 08:41 - Apr 15 with 1136 views | Dyland |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
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| 'Toxic positivity' on 08:44 - Apr 15 with 1124 views | NthQldITFC |
| 'Toxic positivity' on 08:41 - Apr 15 by Dyland |
Jesus Christ... |
Such a big post eh? Elephantine in scale. | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 08:44 - Apr 15 with 1121 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
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| Doubt it's Nerdy on 08:50 - Apr 15 with 1095 views | Dyland |
| 'Toxic positivity' on 08:44 - Apr 15 by NthQldITFC |
Such a big post eh? Elephantine in scale. |
Nerdy is at least dryly amusing, imo.
This poster has some superficial facts and a bit of research behind the criticism, but their whole argument is flawed to begin with. | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 09:05 - Apr 15 with 1061 views | positivity |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
such a lot of words to say nothing new!
promoted teams (even more the case for teams which haven't had prem money for a decade or more) are fishing in a different pool, the sooner you take your head out of the sand and accept that, the better it will be for you | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 09:09 - Apr 15 with 1049 views | dirtyboy |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
Whilst a lot of what you've said is true factually...
Attracting players was not easy....we were unproven, have the worst facilities in the league, probably amongst the worst payers weekly too.
We had to spend to get players anywhere near the PL level and had to rush that through. You mention £150m, but when you compare the actual squad value....we were rock bottom even after spending that inordinate amount.
It was always a big ask.
Keeping McKenna on a big wage was a good thing, otherwise we wouldn't have attracted the players we did unless we got a marquee manager (Dyche? Moyes? who knows?)
We know McKenna takes a hit on his monster pay packet on relegation and yet he still seems committed to seeing this project (and a project is not one season) overseeing the new training facilities for one.
Then...
IF.
We get promoted next year, you can bet your house that McKenna and the club will have learnt an inordinate amount from spending that year in the PL and will be able to prepare better for it.
The club had been abscent from that level and even the Championship for a long time.
I suspect we're also reviewing our recruitment, we were using Brighton's but are way behind on that now and it's not an overnight job.
Ultimately, I'm looking forward to a reset in the Championship, Saturday, Tuesday game, no VAR and looking forward to actually thinking we can win games again lol
Cheer up. |  | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 09:16 - Apr 15 with 1034 views | baxterbasics |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
You can't just select our transfer spend in a single season as an indicator of how well we should have done. Look at overall value of the squad. We were playing catch up with one arm behind our backs.
Chelsea have spent more than a billion on their squad. They could buy Ipswich 8 times over with that investment. |  |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 09:20 - Apr 15 with 1007 views | vapour_trail |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
There are some reasonable points in amongst all of this. But fewer words please.
Mitoma and Mbeuno seem to have risen another 20mil each over your posts on this thread. That really is exceptional work from Brighton and Brentford. |  |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 09:56 - Apr 15 with 931 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Southampton and Leicester on 09:20 - Apr 15 by vapour_trail |
There are some reasonable points in amongst all of this. But fewer words please.
Mitoma and Mbeuno seem to have risen another 20mil each over your posts on this thread. That really is exceptional work from Brighton and Brentford. |
Terrible examples too. Both bought multiple seasons ago, Mbeuno nearly 6 years ago.
And both are actually backing everyone else's points that you can't jump straight into the prem easily and run. Mbeuno had two seasons in the championship getting up to speed, and mitoma was sent out on loan to the Belgian league to get used to European football. Obviously we had neither the time or the spare money to do this, which would have been when we were in league one.
Also citing Forests one good season and financial prudence is beyond laughable, conveniently ignoring their season of large overspend and points deduction for doing so. Making out our spending was disastrous and there's a stroke of genius when they scraped survival with one of the lowest points totals ever.
Verbal diarrhea mainly with about as little substance. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:59]
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| Southampton and Leicester on 10:17 - Apr 15 with 897 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Southampton and Leicester on 23:23 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
Well that’s certainly a positive view. If you were the owner, you had a talented manager, you make him one of the highest paid managers in Europe on £5 million a year basic, and spent the most money any promoted side had ever spent, over £120 million net, more than Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, ., I won’t list them all, only Brighton spent more, and you spent more than the other promoted sides combined, would your mission to finish only above the promoted sides, one of which we finished ahead of last season.
At the point we get promoted, the amount we spent assembling the side outwith FFP/PSR isn’t relevant.
Keane spent £30 million in a season decades ago.., how did that work out? Lambert, Keane, Mick, Jewell, they also had spectacular success in the championship. One got Wigan and Bradford promoted! Another had multiple promotions, one took Sunderland from 3rd bottom to promoted in one season…, do you think any of them would have ever been worth a champions league contract?
Not knocking KM.., hugely hard working, ambitious, talented.., but he’s paid more than Emry, Howe, Frank, Silva, Itiola, Moyes etc .., these are elite managers, they’ve won about 5 European trophies and domestic trophies between them.
Are you honestly saying we paid our manager that much to finish above Leicester and Southampton.., and we didn’t sign £150 million worth of players with great sell on value.., we’ve won ONE home game all season.., which if Clarke, Greaves, Philogene, Sammie, Muric, do you think we could sell for a profit.
The two young, very talented, high ceiling players Delap and Hutch, with our PSR of which KM’s £5 million is part, they won’t be here, they can’t be.
So who are these young players we’re selling for profit, Leif we probably all thought, it he’s so far short defensively at this level, there’s no chance. Plus we don’t want to sell him.
So no. We haven’t bought well. Bournemouth have a 20 year old defender tonight, and he’s twice the player Jacob is.., and he cost about £3 million less.
We bought English, paid a premium, and didn’t get very good value for anyone except Liam.., and Hutch I can’t imagine we’d lose money on.
Mitoma. He was £3 million. He’s worth £90 million and Mbeuno he cost £7 million, he’s worth £80 million.., these clubs have scored and scores of better value players, sourced abroad mostly, costing less, with more quality.
Our players are good players, very good in the EFL, Clarke, Greaves, Hutch, all in the team of the season last season for the EFL.., not even close to this level though are they.
Do you honestly think Greaves and Clarke and Muric, and Sammie and countless others will ever be at this level. If so, based on what, some of them aren’t especially young, some of them have actually done worse as the seasons progressed.
My worry is we keep making the same mistakes. Only a hugely effective talent ID process abroad has any hope of us being an established EPL club again.
Ashton has been here twice now, and that we don’t have that in place, when he made the same mistakes at WBA is really pooor.., we got promoted quicker than expected, but even in the EFL we needed talent ID abroad.., we used to be good at this, we have a history of talented foreign talent, even in the championship, it’s not desirable, it’s essential if we want to progress.
And I’m sorry. But if 100% agree if we hadn’t spent so much, but to spend that, when the players to be elite at that cost, do exist, and win one home game, have one of the lowest points totals ever, and set a club record for home defeats, isn’t very good, isn’t plucky, and isn’t positive.
Toxic positivity, won’t help us move forwards. We need to stick together, but we do also need some reflection, and some honesty, with the emotion stripped out.
Let’s not pretend Muric, Clarke, Greaves, haven’t been really poor or that Phillips a massive waste of resource (he’s an established England player, and we haven’t got anywhere near his best.
Cajuste.., he’s been a sensation, what a great player, superb, great talent ID, but he’s not ours. Sadly. |
There are some fair points made, but there’s a serious lack of context in this take.
Yes, we’ve spent a lot for a newly promoted side. Yes, not every signing has hit the ground running. And yes, our home form has been disappointing. But the conversation really has to start with where we came from — not just where we are.
Three years ago, we were a mid-table League One side. We’ve just made back-to-back promotions into arguably the most competitive Premier League era ever. That sort of leap doesn’t happen without cracks showing somewhere. It’s not normal for a club to rise that fast, and trying to bridge the massive gap between League One football and Premier League standards in two seasons — within PSR constraints — is an enormous challenge.
The comments about McKenna’s wage also ignore the market reality. Other clubs were circling him. If we wanted to keep a young, upward-trending manager who had just delivered something extraordinary, we likely had to offer a contract that reflected his potential, not just his résumé. That’s the tax of being a newly promoted club trying to punch above its weight — we’re not just competing with other clubs financially, we’re doing so from a lower base of infrastructure and pull.
On recruitment — yes, it's fair to say we’ve paid a premium for domestic players, and that our international talent ID process needs to evolve if we want to become a sustainable top-flight side. That’s a lesson that’s still being learned, but it’s also a process that takes time to build. It’s not like we’ve had a full season at this level with a well-resourced scouting department focused abroad. Brighton didn’t become Brighton in a season.
As for the players — Greaves, Clarke, Hutchinson, Muric — some of them may or may not prove long-term top-flight material. But this is their first taste of the Premier League. Writing them off after a few tough months at the highest level feels premature.
This is not "toxic positivity" — it’s realism with patience. You can be disappointed and still keep perspective.
We didn’t come up with a Premier League-ready squad. We came up with a group that massively overperformed expectations, and now we’re trying to grow while playing against teams who’ve had 5+ years of Premier League money and scouting networks.
We absolutely need to reflect, evolve, and recruit better. But framing the entire season as a failure, or KM as being overpaid, misses the real picture: we’re still rebuilding the foundations of a sustainable top-flight club — and doing it faster than almost anyone expected. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 11:16 - Apr 15 with 825 views | positivity |
| Southampton and Leicester on 09:56 - Apr 15 by Axeldalai_lama |
Terrible examples too. Both bought multiple seasons ago, Mbeuno nearly 6 years ago.
And both are actually backing everyone else's points that you can't jump straight into the prem easily and run. Mbeuno had two seasons in the championship getting up to speed, and mitoma was sent out on loan to the Belgian league to get used to European football. Obviously we had neither the time or the spare money to do this, which would have been when we were in league one.
Also citing Forests one good season and financial prudence is beyond laughable, conveniently ignoring their season of large overspend and points deduction for doing so. Making out our spending was disastrous and there's a stroke of genius when they scraped survival with one of the lowest points totals ever.
Verbal diarrhea mainly with about as little substance. [Post edited 15 Apr 9:59]
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great post, but we're wasting our time with this troll. he'll just post a variation of blah-blah mitoma, blah-blah mbappe, blah-blah mbuemo every time he gets shot down! | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 11:25 - Apr 15 with 814 views | surreyblue |
| Southampton and Leicester on 21:43 - Apr 8 by BLUEBEAT |
17 out of 92
I’ll take it!
The only marker I want us to pass this season is getting over 22 points; the amount the Budgies were relegated on. |
I'd like to see us get to 27 points and beat Luton's total from last season.
Seeing Jack Clarke and Woolfy score in the Prem as well would be good. We currently have 14 different goalscorers (one behind the most, although there are a few clubs at 15 different goalscorers) and one of the silver linings to this season is that many of our players have had their moment in the spotlight.
Beating WHam in the final game of the season would be great for confidence going into next season. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 11:34 - Apr 15 with 797 views | positivity |
| Southampton and Leicester on 11:25 - Apr 15 by surreyblue |
I'd like to see us get to 27 points and beat Luton's total from last season.
Seeing Jack Clarke and Woolfy score in the Prem as well would be good. We currently have 14 different goalscorers (one behind the most, although there are a few clubs at 15 different goalscorers) and one of the silver linings to this season is that many of our players have had their moment in the spotlight.
Beating WHam in the final game of the season would be great for confidence going into next season. |
there's still things to aim at, first and most relevant for the future is to finish above soton and then leicester, this will give a boost for next year (and a significant financial bonus).
we've already passed norwich's worst total, and their most recent one will look after itself if we manage to finish above leicester, so not really bothered about that
other than that, for me it's pre-season now and all about performances and building relationships on the pitch for next year | |
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| Southampton and Leicester on 12:00 - Apr 15 with 780 views | glasso |
A much less pessimistic way of looking at it, is that we've maintained our position above Southampton and overtaken Leicester, who - let's be honest - were far better than us last season.
Both teams have also had much more recent Prem seasons and should be better equipped than us to deal with a year in the top league. | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 12:11 - Apr 15 with 759 views | farkenhell |
| Southampton and Leicester on 10:17 - Apr 15 by only_one_sir_bobby |
There are some fair points made, but there’s a serious lack of context in this take.
Yes, we’ve spent a lot for a newly promoted side. Yes, not every signing has hit the ground running. And yes, our home form has been disappointing. But the conversation really has to start with where we came from — not just where we are.
Three years ago, we were a mid-table League One side. We’ve just made back-to-back promotions into arguably the most competitive Premier League era ever. That sort of leap doesn’t happen without cracks showing somewhere. It’s not normal for a club to rise that fast, and trying to bridge the massive gap between League One football and Premier League standards in two seasons — within PSR constraints — is an enormous challenge.
The comments about McKenna’s wage also ignore the market reality. Other clubs were circling him. If we wanted to keep a young, upward-trending manager who had just delivered something extraordinary, we likely had to offer a contract that reflected his potential, not just his résumé. That’s the tax of being a newly promoted club trying to punch above its weight — we’re not just competing with other clubs financially, we’re doing so from a lower base of infrastructure and pull.
On recruitment — yes, it's fair to say we’ve paid a premium for domestic players, and that our international talent ID process needs to evolve if we want to become a sustainable top-flight side. That’s a lesson that’s still being learned, but it’s also a process that takes time to build. It’s not like we’ve had a full season at this level with a well-resourced scouting department focused abroad. Brighton didn’t become Brighton in a season.
As for the players — Greaves, Clarke, Hutchinson, Muric — some of them may or may not prove long-term top-flight material. But this is their first taste of the Premier League. Writing them off after a few tough months at the highest level feels premature.
This is not "toxic positivity" — it’s realism with patience. You can be disappointed and still keep perspective.
We didn’t come up with a Premier League-ready squad. We came up with a group that massively overperformed expectations, and now we’re trying to grow while playing against teams who’ve had 5+ years of Premier League money and scouting networks.
We absolutely need to reflect, evolve, and recruit better. But framing the entire season as a failure, or KM as being overpaid, misses the real picture: we’re still rebuilding the foundations of a sustainable top-flight club — and doing it faster than almost anyone expected. |
That's an excellent reply and saved me the trouble (although expressed far more succinctly than I would have). | | | |
| Southampton and Leicester on 15:04 - Apr 15 with 623 views | textbackup |
| Southampton and Leicester on 00:11 - Apr 15 by The_Romford_Blue |
That’s unfair. Every neutral and pundit says they’ve enjoyed Ipswich this season and we’ve been a fun addition to the league, we’ve just lacked the cutting edge at times and the finer margins have been against us. We’re going down and rightly so but not through any lack of effort and we’ve brought something to the league. That’s been the general consensus.
Whereas Southampton and Leicester have stunk the gaf out |
Whilst I agree, stunk the place out and there is what, 2/3 points between us and Leicester? Those that only look at the table will only see that important factor |  |
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