| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is 23:05 - Apr 9 with 9459 views | NeedhamChris |
Given his agent was such a tough negotiator, can't imagine he's left a prized managerial asset locked in too tightly. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:48 - Apr 12 with 1350 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, what you are saying, is that McKenna's agent has negotiated a £30M release clause on relegation in his contract. I wonder how many clubs will pay that for him.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't be at all surprised if McKenna's contract has some release clause already in it. I am fairly sure there was before when he turned down the previous offers. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:50 - Apr 12 with 1349 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:46 - Apr 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Certainly overcome that fear if that was the case! |
I think we now have a case of verbal diarrhoea - which also describes much of the opinion too. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 11:17 - Apr 12 with 1289 views | Tonytown |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:28 - Apr 11 by darkhorse28 |
£130 million net spend, club record home defeats, one home win all season, no signing good enough except the obvious, measurably worse the longer the season progresses.
One of them is conjecture.., the rest, just measures.
Doesn’t matter how you feel about them, they’re facts. No point crying over it, we need to improve in talent ID especially, otherwise what will change?
You going to cry and cry us into being elite again? |
What about O’Shea, Szmodics, Cajuste??
All have done very well.
We have no real European or Worldwide recruitment network as a result of years of under investment.
That’s not on McKenna or Ashton, but I’m sure it’s coming soon | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 21:52 - Apr 12 with 1172 views | NeedhamChris |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 11:17 - Apr 12 by Tonytown |
What about O’Shea, Szmodics, Cajuste??
All have done very well.
We have no real European or Worldwide recruitment network as a result of years of under investment.
That’s not on McKenna or Ashton, but I’m sure it’s coming soon |
Is Szmodics really annoying example of a signing that's done very well? That feels rather rose tinted to me. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 23:00 - Apr 12 with 1148 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 21:52 - Apr 12 by NeedhamChris |
Is Szmodics really annoying example of a signing that's done very well? That feels rather rose tinted to me. |
He certainly hasn't done badly. 4 goals in 13 starts and a big part of while we kept pace of staying up. He is one that we missed a lot while he was injured. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 09:44 - Apr 13 with 1053 views | Herbivore |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 21:52 - Apr 12 by NeedhamChris |
Is Szmodics really annoying example of a signing that's done very well? That feels rather rose tinted to me. |
4 goals in not many appearances for a signing that cost less than £10m is pretty good. We've missed him as an option since January for sure. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 09:53 - Apr 13 with 1042 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:42 - Apr 11 by Herbivore |
No, I'm going to laugh and laugh at you being a massive bell-piece instead I reckon. A minute ago it was £150m, your "facts" have already lost £20m in value. |
Why do you have to be so rude?
I think this poster makes valid points, in a clear way. He’s thoughtful and polite.
And what he gets in return is insults.
Disagree with him by all means. Share your views. Engage in debate. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:00 - Apr 13 with 1011 views | Herbivore |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 09:53 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
Why do you have to be so rude?
I think this poster makes valid points, in a clear way. He’s thoughtful and polite.
And what he gets in return is insults.
Disagree with him by all means. Share your views. Engage in debate. |
Appreciate the feedback. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:03 - Apr 13 with 995 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 09:53 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
Why do you have to be so rude?
I think this poster makes valid points, in a clear way. He’s thoughtful and polite.
And what he gets in return is insults.
Disagree with him by all means. Share your views. Engage in debate. |
People have tried to engage but he just steamrolls on with his ridiculously OTT pessimistic view and won't listen to anyone's more balanced takes. Look at his posting history - 100% OTT negative. He's either a budgie or another negative user with an alt login. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:04 - Apr 13 with 993 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:00 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
Appreciate the feedback. |
Appreciate it enough to down vote it I see…
I don’t get this place sometimes.
A poster says things people don’t agree with and gets bombed with ‘troll’ and rude replies by multiple posters.
It puts people off engaging, it certainly has me, a supporter for over 50 years. And I won’t be alone. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:06 - Apr 13 with 978 views | azuremerlangus |
I think he has fell short of the expectation considering his rapid rise and the transfer dealings since last summer. Whether it affects his stock with potential PL teams next season I’m not sure about that - but had we survived I would have thought he would have more offers to tempt him away. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:08 - Apr 13 with 975 views | Herbivore |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:04 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
Appreciate it enough to down vote it I see…
I don’t get this place sometimes.
A poster says things people don’t agree with and gets bombed with ‘troll’ and rude replies by multiple posters.
It puts people off engaging, it certainly has me, a supporter for over 50 years. And I won’t be alone. |
I see you haven't griped about the snarky comments made my the poster, your description of them as entirely reasonable is completely wide of the mark and the tone of my post was a reflection of the tone of their response to me. We're all adults here and if we act like divs we should all have enough about us to not get upset when people point out we're acting like divs. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:12 - Apr 13 with 962 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:03 - Apr 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
People have tried to engage but he just steamrolls on with his ridiculously OTT pessimistic view and won't listen to anyone's more balanced takes. Look at his posting history - 100% OTT negative. He's either a budgie or another negative user with an alt login. |
That doesn’t make sense. I thought he was a new poster yesterday?
If I was a new poster being called moronic and a bell-end might put me off !!
I don’t agree with a lot of what he said but that’s ok. It’s good to debate.
Other posters may irritate. They do me. Ignore them or don’t respond. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:21 - Apr 13 with 931 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:08 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
I see you haven't griped about the snarky comments made my the poster, your description of them as entirely reasonable is completely wide of the mark and the tone of my post was a reflection of the tone of their response to me. We're all adults here and if we act like divs we should all have enough about us to not get upset when people point out we're acting like divs. |
I’m sorry but your first comment to him was:
“This is a load of horse sh!t, fam”
I’m not surprised he eventually got fed up and emotional. There was a pile on.
Yep, we’re all adults. And I suspect my card will now “be marked” for having an opinion on this. But I think we - me, you, lots of us - could all be more polite. [Post edited 13 Apr 10:24]
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:24 - Apr 13 with 905 views | NthQldITFC |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:03 - Apr 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
People have tried to engage but he just steamrolls on with his ridiculously OTT pessimistic view and won't listen to anyone's more balanced takes. Look at his posting history - 100% OTT negative. He's either a budgie or another negative user with an alt login. |
It's certainly a litany of despair, whether real or faux, it's sad. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:30 - Apr 13 with 895 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:12 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
That doesn’t make sense. I thought he was a new poster yesterday?
If I was a new poster being called moronic and a bell-end might put me off !!
I don’t agree with a lot of what he said but that’s ok. It’s good to debate.
Other posters may irritate. They do me. Ignore them or don’t respond. |
He's been registered for more than a decade but has only recently started posting (from this login). Every single one negative. I'm not sure what doesn't make sense.
As I've said, he doesn't debate, he ploughs on and belittles anyone to the contrary. If you can't see it that's on you.
I'll respond to whoever I feel like, thanks. If you don't like it maybe take your own advice. I'm not fussed either way. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:41 - Apr 13 with 874 views | Herbivore |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:21 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
I’m sorry but your first comment to him was:
“This is a load of horse sh!t, fam”
I’m not surprised he eventually got fed up and emotional. There was a pile on.
Yep, we’re all adults. And I suspect my card will now “be marked” for having an opinion on this. But I think we - me, you, lots of us - could all be more polite. [Post edited 13 Apr 10:24]
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I mean, it was a load of horse sh!t though. It's okay to be honest. If someone thinks I'm talking horse sh!t, they can tell me too. Your card isn't marked at all, you've been nothing but polite and I take no issue with what you've posted even if I don't fully agree with you. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 11:12 - Apr 13 with 832 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 09:53 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
Why do you have to be so rude?
I think this poster makes valid points, in a clear way. He’s thoughtful and polite.
And what he gets in return is insults.
Disagree with him by all means. Share your views. Engage in debate. |
I respect your desire to defend the poster, but have you read everything they have posted? It adds context.
They started posting across multiple threads a few days ago, mostly negative and espousing rhetoric that was presented as fact, but in most cases was out-of-context, or plain wrong. When presented with facts to counter their rhetoric, they would just ignore what had been presented, and move onto the next piece of negative rhetoric.
You said " Engage in debate". Some of us have tried, only to have it ignored. One will eventually lose patience with such behaviour - I certainly have. Maybe it's old age, but I'm not going to entertain anyone who - as you suggest should happen - doesn't engage in further debate when facts are presented that oppose their conjecture. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 12:12 - Apr 13 with 760 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 11:12 - Apr 13 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I respect your desire to defend the poster, but have you read everything they have posted? It adds context.
They started posting across multiple threads a few days ago, mostly negative and espousing rhetoric that was presented as fact, but in most cases was out-of-context, or plain wrong. When presented with facts to counter their rhetoric, they would just ignore what had been presented, and move onto the next piece of negative rhetoric.
You said " Engage in debate". Some of us have tried, only to have it ignored. One will eventually lose patience with such behaviour - I certainly have. Maybe it's old age, but I'm not going to entertain anyone who - as you suggest should happen - doesn't engage in further debate when facts are presented that oppose their conjecture. |
Good post, no I don’t read it all, and I’m hoping I’m not defending the poster, only asking for politeness.
I do have significant concern that all may not be rosy financially at the end of this season, and that signings this year may not have the upside that’s been previously sold to us. I suspect several players have contracts with relegation ‘get out’ clauses or maximum sale prices (like Delap).
I don’t blame Ashton or McKenna for this as it’s the market we were in. But it might make things tough over the summer. I hope I’m wrong. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:16 - Apr 14 with 604 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 14:06 - Apr 10 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"he’s been so poor"
No he really hasn't. Absolutely moronic point of view. [Post edited 10 Apr 14:09]
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What’s moronic about thinking a club record for league defeats, one home league win all season, and one of the lowest points totals in the league history, is poor?
In the context of £150 million spent, doesn’t all the facts define poor?
I get the emotional investment in KM. last season was one hell of a journey, and he’s a game tee coach and manger, but this season, poor is exceptionally kind, I think even KM would accept that.
Not moronic is it. Calling someone you don’t know, a moron, that’s not big it clever is it, can’t you process more than one basic concept? That KM might be excellent in the EFL, but way short at this level. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:19 - Apr 14 with 599 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 16:12 - Apr 10 by Keno |
that is new for some of us |
Ten years (at least) building up to registering tbf. I don’t know if I’m the OG but I gave Sir Alf a ride on my penny farthing one day after training. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:27 - Apr 14 with 588 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:35 - Apr 11 by Horsham |
This is total horse sh it no pun intended.
‘The owner’ were owned by a pension fund and numerous others. Horse sh it.
‘The owner spent….’ Just for one of the rare times in the last 25 years, no the owners didn’t spend. The money came from the club’s premier league revenue.
I’m bored now but the rest is horse sh it too. |
The money came from the owners, the revenue isn’t paid in advance, and doesn’t cover our expenditure. And those pension funds have trustees and sryrict rules around the risk capital they’ll spend on us.
Even if that was unlimited, and it’s in the public domain, and a small % of risk capital allocated to us. What is it Gamechanger say - we can spend that risk capital on a football club, or if that doesn’t work, elsewhere.
Even in that context, their spend is subject to PSR.
Thinking we’ e spent within our revenue is maybe why you’re so relaxed.., let’s have this conversation when the accounts are published. None of it is a secret, or unknown, and in the context of the actual finances. We’ve missed a generational opportunity. That’s not my opinion, it’s what the finances say. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:33 - Apr 14 with 576 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 11:17 - Apr 12 by Tonytown |
What about O’Shea, Szmodics, Cajuste??
All have done very well.
We have no real European or Worldwide recruitment network as a result of years of under investment.
That’s not on McKenna or Ashton, but I’m sure it’s coming soon |
Agree. Obviously not all their fault.., but Ashton did also point this out, and then spent £150 million on players he iimolied he knew wouldn’t be good enough.
I really like O’Shea, but wouldn’t say he’s good enough, he has the potential,
Cajuste is a bloody Rolls Royce is the, technically good, gets up and down, good energy, positionally good.., and that covering tackle against Man Utd, loves to track back and get a tackle in too.
But he’s not our player. And because we’ve been poor, he’s not staying.
Sammie. Ok when fit, but although he’s a great finisher, his general image looks short for us and ROI.., he’s not good enough.
I think you’ve answered your own question. £150 million spent and you have 2 names that we own, and I think most fans would be 50/50 if either are good enough. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:40 - Apr 14 with 570 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:04 - Apr 13 by AVJones |
Appreciate it enough to down vote it I see…
I don’t get this place sometimes.
A poster says things people don’t agree with and gets bombed with ‘troll’ and rude replies by multiple posters.
It puts people off engaging, it certainly has me, a supporter for over 50 years. And I won’t be alone. |
100% I’ve been coming here a lot longer than my 10 year registration, maybe 20 years or whenever the site was launched.
It’s great for the news, and Phil is a complete legend for his dedication etc
I’ve been er posted because there now a small but vocal number just here to hate, be factional, to troll, and bully, and stop engagement.
They are fragile, low IQ, factional, and can’t tolerate or process anyone having a view that isn’t their own.
It’s important to remember they are few in number, but they are a cohort who act like a small tribe trying to destroy anything different.., I’m suprised it’s tolerated. But it seems to be how society is too.
A forum should be about encouraging different views, agreeing to disagree. Learning, listening, and maybe or maybe not changing views…, that’s how ideas grow, by listening to people who disagree, it’s how we get the right answers to problems.
There’s bit much of that here.., it’s in part a small echo chamber devoid of ideas and difference, and genuine debate and discourse.., two word abuse seems to have become normal.
And although I’ve never posted.., I’ve been coming here for 20 years or more.., I didn’t think it used to be this bad.., you’d stay for Warkystache takes, or Romford (bad) tips or to see a great social resource of people who all had one thing in common.
Those really were the days. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:54 - Apr 14 with 543 views | darkhorse28 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 23:49 - Apr 11 by SuffolkPunchFC |
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/
Unlike other, more established clubs, we’ve not had assets to sell. Years in L1, and passing through the Championship in a season has resulted in no time to develop a squad, or players that can be sold for a good return.
Wolves - over half a billion spent on players over that period, helped by having years to turn players for a good profit.
Forest - yes they managed a lot in one season, but only by ignoring PSR, and had that points deduction relegated them, they would probably be in serious financial difficulty now.
Your perspective is very selective, and twisted. |
That’s fair enough. But which of the £100 odd million investment do you think we can sell for a profit?
Those sides haven’t just invested, they’ve invested in foreign talent ID, and networks and relationships, in ways we haven’t, and that’s essential at this level, the published agents fees illustrate that.
We’re stuck in the EFL.
Mitoma - he cost £3 million, they turned down £70 million, Mbeuno cost £7 million, what’s he worth £60 Million plus? What did Wolves sell Neves to Saudi for? Thanks to their Jorge Mendes relationship.
Whatever our journey, we were a premier league club this year, with more resources spent than any club ever in our position. It was a generational opportunity.
We didn’t do a Forest, and I get your point that they over spent, but so have we, we aren’t working within PSR this season, we are way over our £39 million losses now, and need to sell.
We haven’t recruited well, we won’t be selling anyone for a profit except Liam, and no Saudi team will be buying any of our assets. We missed a generational opportunity. That naught bit make me or you feel good, it might not be a comfortable narrative, but it is true. There are literally scores of players across those clubs, all better value than what we bought. Many cost less. And are higher quality, that doesn’t come without long term consequences.., we can’t just shrug and move on, part of the process, that’s not how football finance works (now). | | | |
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