| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football 11:30 - May 1 with 5921 views | Swansea_Blue |
Which I suppose is effectively a ban from all football for any that have gone through any form of conversion therapy. No mention of a position on trans men though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz01z4rdx4no
Hmm, Football or General? [Post edited 1 May 11:30]
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:36 - May 1 with 3089 views | Herbivore |
Presumably trans men will be allowed in the women's game? Not sure why they've not mentioned that. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:37 - May 1 with 3083 views | textbackup |
Common sense |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:39 - May 1 with 3072 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:36 - May 1 by Herbivore |
Presumably trans men will be allowed in the women's game? Not sure why they've not mentioned that. |
It’s not clear, although that BBC piece is changing by the minute so maybe they’ll clarify or add a link to the new rules at some point. I suppose I could google it, but I’m supposed to be clearing out the garage! | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:46 - May 1 with 3034 views | J2BLUE |
I would imagine most sporting bodies are relieved to be able to make a decision and point to the court ruling to justify it. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:01 - May 1 with 2945 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:46 - May 1 by J2BLUE |
I would imagine most sporting bodies are relieved to be able to make a decision and point to the court ruling to justify it. |
Yes, I suspect so. It’s certainly a toxic issue (unnecessarily so imo) that must have been causing some sporting bodies some real headaches. They dealt with it reasonably sensibly in elite swimming by introducing an open category where any physical advantage from going through puberty as a male couldn’t then be exploited by trans women competing in women’s events. That approach works in swimming though as you can have multiple categories competing in one race. That wouldn’t work for team sports. Athletics could have done that, but they seemed to tie themself up in knots a bit. This makes it a lot easier for them, but I’m not sure where it leaves trans women. | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:16 - May 1 with 2850 views | lowhouseblue |
what physical advantage would trans men have in the men's game? |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:20 - May 1 with 2835 views | itfcjoe |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:01 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, I suspect so. It’s certainly a toxic issue (unnecessarily so imo) that must have been causing some sporting bodies some real headaches. They dealt with it reasonably sensibly in elite swimming by introducing an open category where any physical advantage from going through puberty as a male couldn’t then be exploited by trans women competing in women’s events. That approach works in swimming though as you can have multiple categories competing in one race. That wouldn’t work for team sports. Athletics could have done that, but they seemed to tie themself up in knots a bit. This makes it a lot easier for them, but I’m not sure where it leaves trans women. |
I think in all sports the mens category is generally an open category, it is through junior sports but basically women can't compete after men have been through puberty in anything that is based on physicality |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:25 - May 1 with 2803 views | Basuco |
This is a very difficult one. But, is there any difference between a female taking testosterone as a performance enhancing drug, to a male that has developed as a man when his body naturally produced testosterone then after a number of years supressed testosterone and transition to female?
Effectively banning a trans female from competing in the sport they love and may be quite good at, is not great, but is there a fair way of a allowing it to happen? Maybe allowing them to compete if they transitioned to female before puberty?
I can not begin to imagine what it must be like to be trapped in a body you do not identify as, let alone have talent in a sport that you love but cannot now compete in. |  | | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:27 - May 1 with 2760 views | lowhouseblue |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:25 - May 1 by Basuco |
This is a very difficult one. But, is there any difference between a female taking testosterone as a performance enhancing drug, to a male that has developed as a man when his body naturally produced testosterone then after a number of years supressed testosterone and transition to female?
Effectively banning a trans female from competing in the sport they love and may be quite good at, is not great, but is there a fair way of a allowing it to happen? Maybe allowing them to compete if they transitioned to female before puberty?
I can not begin to imagine what it must be like to be trapped in a body you do not identify as, let alone have talent in a sport that you love but cannot now compete in. |
we're all 'trapped in' our bodies. it's pretty much how being alive works. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:35 - May 1 with 2709 views | Herbivore |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:27 - May 1 by lowhouseblue |
we're all 'trapped in' our bodies. it's pretty much how being alive works. |
You don't really understand or care about trans issues, we get it, but is there really a need to be such a bell about it? | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:38 - May 1 with 2680 views | Ryorry |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:25 - May 1 by Basuco |
This is a very difficult one. But, is there any difference between a female taking testosterone as a performance enhancing drug, to a male that has developed as a man when his body naturally produced testosterone then after a number of years supressed testosterone and transition to female?
Effectively banning a trans female from competing in the sport they love and may be quite good at, is not great, but is there a fair way of a allowing it to happen? Maybe allowing them to compete if they transitioned to female before puberty?
I can not begin to imagine what it must be like to be trapped in a body you do not identify as, let alone have talent in a sport that you love but cannot now compete in. |
“ taking testosterone as a performance enhancing drug”
Isn’t that illegal? |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:50 - May 1 with 2627 views | Basuco |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:38 - May 1 by Ryorry |
“ taking testosterone as a performance enhancing drug”
Isn’t that illegal? |
Yes, my point is a trans female would gain a physical advantage by training and developing as a biological male, just supressing it on transition would not take away the benefit of the years with it naturally in their body. I am just trying to find a logical reason for the FA decision which is to make fair competition for all athletes, which is not easy. | | | |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:53 - May 1 with 2602 views | Bluecoin |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:36 - May 1 by Herbivore |
Presumably trans men will be allowed in the women's game? Not sure why they've not mentioned that. |
Trans men are biological women, so of course they will? |  | | |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:02 - May 1 with 2521 views | BseaBlue |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 11:36 - May 1 by Herbivore |
Presumably trans men will be allowed in the women's game? Not sure why they've not mentioned that. |
Do 'Trans' football teams/leagues exist? Excuse my ignorance but would that be an alternative way forward to promote further inclusivity in football? I may be contradicting myself here though if the individuals feel as though the main point is that they are being robbed of the opportunity to represent themselves at fooball, within their chosen gender group.
Whether there would be enough demand or the players would feel comfortable could be an issue. |  | | |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:03 - May 1 with 2518 views | BlueBadger |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:27 - May 1 by lowhouseblue |
we're all 'trapped in' our bodies. it's pretty much how being alive works. |
Alright JK, calm down. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:07 - May 1 with 2470 views | Swailsey |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:16 - May 1 by lowhouseblue |
what physical advantage would trans men have in the men's game? |
Pretty poor this. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:11 - May 1 with 2419 views | J2BLUE |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:07 - May 1 by Swailsey |
Pretty poor this. |
Why is that an unfair point? | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:23 - May 1 with 2274 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:02 - May 1 by BseaBlue |
Do 'Trans' football teams/leagues exist? Excuse my ignorance but would that be an alternative way forward to promote further inclusivity in football? I may be contradicting myself here though if the individuals feel as though the main point is that they are being robbed of the opportunity to represent themselves at fooball, within their chosen gender group.
Whether there would be enough demand or the players would feel comfortable could be an issue. |
I doubt it given only 28 transgender women are currently registered / playing football at any adult level in England. |  | | |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:24 - May 1 with 2249 views | itfcjoe |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:02 - May 1 by BseaBlue |
Do 'Trans' football teams/leagues exist? Excuse my ignorance but would that be an alternative way forward to promote further inclusivity in football? I may be contradicting myself here though if the individuals feel as though the main point is that they are being robbed of the opportunity to represent themselves at fooball, within their chosen gender group.
Whether there would be enough demand or the players would feel comfortable could be an issue. |
I think they said on SSN only about 30 transwomen in the women's game so doubt there is enough to do so | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:25 - May 1 with 2238 views | blueasfook |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:23 - May 1 by _clive_baker_ |
I doubt it given only 28 transgender women are currently registered / playing football at any adult level in England. |
that's enough for 2 teams. They can have a little league where they play each other 20 times a season. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:27 - May 1 with 2198 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:25 - May 1 by blueasfook |
that's enough for 2 teams. They can have a little league where they play each other 20 times a season. |
Works for the SPL I guess | | | |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:37 - May 1 with 2111 views | Herbivore |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:27 - May 1 by _clive_baker_ |
Works for the SPL I guess |
Zing! | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:45 - May 1 with 2066 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 12:20 - May 1 by itfcjoe |
I think in all sports the mens category is generally an open category, it is through junior sports but basically women can't compete after men have been through puberty in anything that is based on physicality |
Thanks Joe, I’ve not got experience of lots of ground roots level sports, so that’s good to hear there are often opportunities.
It’s sounding like far from putting a line under this debate, the recent ruling could have kicked off years of various legal challenges. So this issue won’t be going away any time soon. The FA seems to be reacting fairly quickly, so it’ll be interesting to see where this all goes in future. | |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:47 - May 1 with 2051 views | giant_stow |
I guess teams with trans players can always decide to kiss the fa off and switch to friendlies. |  |
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| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 14:02 - May 1 with 1959 views | itfcjoe |
| The FA have banned trans women from women’s football on 13:45 - May 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Thanks Joe, I’ve not got experience of lots of ground roots level sports, so that’s good to hear there are often opportunities.
It’s sounding like far from putting a line under this debate, the recent ruling could have kicked off years of various legal challenges. So this issue won’t be going away any time soon. The FA seems to be reacting fairly quickly, so it’ll be interesting to see where this all goes in future. |
It's only something that could have been solved politically, rather than through the courts - I think it has freed up a lot of authorities to do what they and the vast majority of the population wanted to do without fear of legal challenges and the like which is generally a good thing but will obviously be issues along the way | |
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