| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... 08:23 - May 3 with 1173 views | bluelagos |
Who should we be thanking for their terminal demise?
Johnson? Truss? Sunak? Badenoch? Cameron? All of the above?
I'll go with Johnson. An opportunist that jumped on the Brexit bandwagon, then oversaw an economically damaging Brexit deal with the EU, failed to maximise the freedoms of life outside the EU, killed thousands with his dithering on lockdowns and lied to the nation about the parties going on at Downing St whilst the country was locked down.
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:25 - May 3 with 1152 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
They're doing just fine, did you miss the bit where they rebranded as Labour? [Post edited 3 May 8:42]
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:27 - May 3 with 1150 views | Churchman |
I’d say that shiny faced, clueless chancer Cameron. Everything he touched turned to dust. |  | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:30 - May 3 with 1130 views | chicoazul |
The trouble with dancing on the Tories’ grave is what comes after. |  |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:32 - May 3 with 1119 views | bluelagos |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:25 - May 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
They're doing just fine, did you miss the bit where they rebranded as Labour? [Post edited 3 May 8:42]
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Naughty Bankster.
Come on - the Tories are looking properly fooked. Farage proper trolling them yesterday and for now, what's in it for Reform to do a deal?
Tories are toxic and they lost 2 out of every 3 seats yesterday, their projected national vote was 15% ffs.
Losing votes to the Libs on the left and Reform on the right...am struggling to see them carrying on as/is to the election. New leader? Defections to reform? Deal with Farage's lot? | |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 09:07 - May 3 with 1021 views | Libero |
They were saying on The News Agents the other day that it could spell 'the end' of the Conservative party but more broadly, I fear it's the end of Labour too.
Their strategy since taking power has been weak and at points, a covert race to the bottom in a vain attempt to compete with the morally bankrupt- just because that's what's popular right now.
There is no real left wing resistance and after 14 years of neo-liberal ravaging, yesterday evidenced what a lot of us were already feeling, that we're inevitably sliding towards the same kind of quasi-fascism as the United States.
The overarching powers of misinformation, alternative facts and low levels of comprehension are just too strong and Labour's entire plan is to make the changes required so that ordinary working people can see and feel the difference to their lives - they've totally ignored the context of the landscape we're living in right now and the fact that even *if* they manage to do that, so many people are so deeply indoctrinated that they won't be turned by things simply getting better.
Politics as we knew it has been dying a slow death ever since 2016. It really sucks.
Millenials have lived through multiple financial crashes and 'once in a life time event's that have effected most of our trajectory into adulthood/at key milestones in our lives and now we're heading into our 40's looking at the likelihood that a party with fascist rhetoric, no functioning press office and not enough policies to even put together a manifesto are being actively voted in to power without a dot of real resistance.
Absolutely mental. [Post edited 3 May 9:13]
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| Beware of premature judgement on 10:30 - May 3 with 904 views | Guthrum |
As the LibDems (and Reform's own predecessor UKIP) can tell you. translating success in local or EU elections to Westminster is not a simple task. More people vote in General Elections, including the wider UK, not just some parts of England and they do so differently.
Reform taking over from the Conservatives is the narrative the former themselves are pushing, along with their friends in the media and gleeful old tribal enemies of the latter (Chico's comment particularly apt in this last context). The battered Tories are afraid to have a go back, through fear of offending the very people they hope to win back.
Also, this is a moment in time. The most pro-Brexit and anti-immigration element of the English electorate has become furious with the Conservative Party, for ditching their heroes (Johnson, Truss), engineering a technocratic coup (Sunak), watering down what they thought was going to be policy and, on top of it all, being careless enough to call and then lose a snap election to Evil Labour. This set of results is a manifestation of that rage.
But will that persist for four more years to swing Parliament in 2029? A lot can happen in that time, the world may look very different, economically as well as politically. Who knows what forces there may be causing those voters to coalesce in another direction than two days ago. Parties dependent upon one major personality are very vulnerable to that individual making missteps, bad revelations or simply health issues. |  |
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| Beware of premature judgement on 11:01 - May 3 with 842 views | BlueBadger |
| Beware of premature judgement on 10:30 - May 3 by Guthrum |
As the LibDems (and Reform's own predecessor UKIP) can tell you. translating success in local or EU elections to Westminster is not a simple task. More people vote in General Elections, including the wider UK, not just some parts of England and they do so differently.
Reform taking over from the Conservatives is the narrative the former themselves are pushing, along with their friends in the media and gleeful old tribal enemies of the latter (Chico's comment particularly apt in this last context). The battered Tories are afraid to have a go back, through fear of offending the very people they hope to win back.
Also, this is a moment in time. The most pro-Brexit and anti-immigration element of the English electorate has become furious with the Conservative Party, for ditching their heroes (Johnson, Truss), engineering a technocratic coup (Sunak), watering down what they thought was going to be policy and, on top of it all, being careless enough to call and then lose a snap election to Evil Labour. This set of results is a manifestation of that rage.
But will that persist for four more years to swing Parliament in 2029? A lot can happen in that time, the world may look very different, economically as well as politically. Who knows what forces there may be causing those voters to coalesce in another direction than two days ago. Parties dependent upon one major personality are very vulnerable to that individual making missteps, bad revelations or simply health issues. |
Worth taking a look at Canada here - a couple of months ago, the openly Trump enthusing conservative candidate was looking a shoo-in. Then *gestures around* all this happened and their voted dropped off considerably.
Farage's grovelling and licking up to Cheeto Mussolini may well prove his undoing this time round, too. Particularly as by the time the next GE rolls round here, we'll have had four yearss(possibly even more) to see what damage Trumpery can do and it may very well be that even the dimmest and most bigoted Reformist will view Trumpery as being on a par with standing in support of Jimmy Saville. [Post edited 3 May 11:10]
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 11:09 - May 3 with 824 views | JackNorthStand |
The Johnson leadership turned into a farce. After declaring victory with a landslide, his leadership then turned into a circus. |  | | |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 11:25 - May 3 with 794 views | BlueBadger |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 11:09 - May 3 by JackNorthStand |
The Johnson leadership turned into a farce. After declaring victory with a landslide, his leadership then turned into a circus. |
To be fair, it was like that before the GE too - what with the unlawful attempts to bypass parliament, open revolt from the Euroloons AND Europositives and losing his majority. It's a shame we had such a directionless opposition under an incompetent supply geography teacher on the opposite bench. | |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 11:30 - May 3 with 796 views | Trequartista |
The answer is Cameron by making the Conservative party a Blair tribute act and abandoning conservatism. |  |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 12:06 - May 3 with 737 views | BlueBadger |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 11:30 - May 3 by Trequartista |
The answer is Cameron by making the Conservative party a Blair tribute act and abandoning conservatism. |
Frimmers-level take. Incredible. | |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 12:12 - May 3 with 735 views | RadioOrwell |
Truss should take a bow for being the pure essence of self destructive financial suicide.
It should finally put an end to the nonsense that the Tories are fiscally sensible. |  | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 12:35 - May 3 with 692 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 12:12 - May 3 by RadioOrwell |
Truss should take a bow for being the pure essence of self destructive financial suicide.
It should finally put an end to the nonsense that the Tories are fiscally sensible. |
It's absolutely incredible that she doesn't even get mentioned until this far into the discussion.
It's also incredible that Theresa May inherited a solid Parliamentary majority, started the time-limited Exit process before she had her team assembled (let alone desired outcomes agreed in all major policy areas, and a strategy for how to get there worked out) and, critically, before she had to, and alienated a substantial portion of the MPs in her party.
And yet doesn't even figure in the conversation for the "Top Three worst Prime Ministers of the past 10 years"! | | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 13:07 - May 3 with 661 views | BlueBadger |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 12:35 - May 3 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's absolutely incredible that she doesn't even get mentioned until this far into the discussion.
It's also incredible that Theresa May inherited a solid Parliamentary majority, started the time-limited Exit process before she had her team assembled (let alone desired outcomes agreed in all major policy areas, and a strategy for how to get there worked out) and, critically, before she had to, and alienated a substantial portion of the MPs in her party.
And yet doesn't even figure in the conversation for the "Top Three worst Prime Ministers of the past 10 years"! |
In football terms, if she were a Town manager, she'd be Paul Jewell. Cameron is Keane(set the tine for all follow), Hurst is Truss(short lived, destructive) and Johnson is Lambert(a lazy and obviously incompetent fraud who stayed far longer than he deserved to because he was good at pressers/on the telly). [Post edited 3 May 19:01]
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 15:20 - May 3 with 552 views | Oldsmoker |
Earth to planet Lagos - can you hear me.
Tories 121 MPs
Reform 6
Tories 4824 councilors
Reform 799
With those figures they're really stuffed aren't they? |  |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 15:29 - May 3 with 531 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I really don't think they are finished but they are in a mess and stuck between Reform and Labour with little ground to gain. Perhaps they will join with Reform or perhaps Labour will shift away from the right of centre ground. Aside from those, they are rather stuck. Perhaps campaigning to rejoin the EU could gain them some traction but will that attract more to them?
In terms of blame, Cameron started it with the mess of putting the EU membership to a popular vote and not campaigning clearly and effectively enough to win it. It would have needed preparation and informing the eletorate of the benefits ahead of calling it but the party had spent so long demonising it instead it had simply ploughed the ground for UKIP, Brexit, Reform, etc.
May could have saved it but her MPs were so divided they couldn't unite behind a soft Brexit.
Johnson and then Truss were disasters for it and pushed them further into the depths. However, the key player has been Farage coupled with Starmer snatching the more moderate ground. I am sure they will be back. I suspect they will move further right and join with Farage to do so.
I don't think there was much Sunak or Badenoch could do. |  |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 15:45 - May 3 with 510 views | MattinLondon |
In my opinion, the main person responsible for the Tories demise is Theresa May. At the time she could well have set a moderate tone regarding Brexit but instead banged on-and-on about a ‘red, white and blue’ Brexit. What the f**k was that?
She thrusts the party further to the right, spawning pondlife to crawl into view. As a Jome Secretary she was an awful and allowed the climate towards asylum seekers (and towards non-white British people) to turn more distinctly suspicious.
A truly dreadful person who escapes a lot of blame - but that’s ok because she queued to bow her head to Liz.
But the Tories aren’t finished. Despite being responsible for the whole scale destruction of the UK they still have 121 seats. Which is quite astonishing really.
As things stand, if the Tories become more moderate, embrace the single market, I think they could well win the next election. If they continue to go full-reform with toddlers in charge, they’ll continue to slide. |  | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 15:47 - May 3 with 506 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 15:45 - May 3 by MattinLondon |
In my opinion, the main person responsible for the Tories demise is Theresa May. At the time she could well have set a moderate tone regarding Brexit but instead banged on-and-on about a ‘red, white and blue’ Brexit. What the f**k was that?
She thrusts the party further to the right, spawning pondlife to crawl into view. As a Jome Secretary she was an awful and allowed the climate towards asylum seekers (and towards non-white British people) to turn more distinctly suspicious.
A truly dreadful person who escapes a lot of blame - but that’s ok because she queued to bow her head to Liz.
But the Tories aren’t finished. Despite being responsible for the whole scale destruction of the UK they still have 121 seats. Which is quite astonishing really.
As things stand, if the Tories become more moderate, embrace the single market, I think they could well win the next election. If they continue to go full-reform with toddlers in charge, they’ll continue to slide. |
I think the rhetoric was meaningless. As far as I recall, she tried to go with a more moderate deal but her party wouldn't let her. | |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 18:02 - May 3 with 469 views | peterleeblue |
The largely incompetent rest that followed is well documented. However it all can be traced back prior to 2010 when Cameron was given the leadership.
The in Tory infighting by the likes of the smug Francois, Ress Mogg, Duncan Smith that basically forced Cameron to put the Brexit referendum in place as his quid pro quo for the leadership backing. |  | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 20:35 - May 3 with 375 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 08:32 - May 3 by bluelagos |
Naughty Bankster.
Come on - the Tories are looking properly fooked. Farage proper trolling them yesterday and for now, what's in it for Reform to do a deal?
Tories are toxic and they lost 2 out of every 3 seats yesterday, their projected national vote was 15% ffs.
Losing votes to the Libs on the left and Reform on the right...am struggling to see them carrying on as/is to the election. New leader? Defections to reform? Deal with Farage's lot? |
A lot of their donors have gone over to Reform too. It’s not looking great for the party and I imagine a few more defections to Reform before the next GE. Rather than Farage ending up going to be Tory leader it’s possibly more likely they’ll be subsumed within Reform and eventually replaced.
Where the Tories go next, god knows. They have to get rid of Badenoch though. Thick as mince, hopeless and nasty with it. I doubt they can move on until she’s gone. They have the same problem as Labour. If they try to continue to put Reform Reform, they’ll just carry on declining.
Although for Reform, Farage is a big uncertainty for them. His salesman routine is an asset for them now, but without him they were hopeless. Lose Farage for whatever region and they’ll probably disappear. |  |
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| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 21:53 - May 3 with 309 views | BlueForYou |
Reform could easily self implode yet! They don’t have that many leading lights at present & Nigel has fallen out with two of them already. Remains to be seen how he will handle things when he gains more MP’s. If the Conservatives find a better leader they could still re-emerge. |  | | |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 22:38 - May 3 with 249 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So now the Tories are seemingly finished... on 21:53 - May 3 by BlueForYou |
Reform could easily self implode yet! They don’t have that many leading lights at present & Nigel has fallen out with two of them already. Remains to be seen how he will handle things when he gains more MP’s. If the Conservatives find a better leader they could still re-emerge. |
Who is the better leader for the Tories? Rumour is that it will be Farage. Their voting system for a new leader seems to restrict them to the worst possible results. | |
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