| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 09:30 - May 5 with 1293 views | Steve_M |
Ah, hadn’t realised there was one. I get to combine the TV view with watching them out of the window as they fly over central London. |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:30 - May 5 with 1145 views | Radlett_blue |
I love to see old aircraft fly, but I really wish we would stop banging on about World War I & WWII. However, I'm sure Reform UK voters will think otherwise.
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:51 - May 5 with 1083 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:30 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
I love to see old aircraft fly, but I really wish we would stop banging on about World War I & WWII. However, I'm sure Reform UK voters will think otherwise.
(Removes pin and escapes). |
Why do you wish not to remember the World Wars? |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:55 - May 5 with 1074 views | hoppy |
So, what time does that mean over Ipswich? The timings given seem very broad given the speed they’ll be flying at? |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:57 - May 5 with 1069 views | Guthrum |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 09:30 - May 5 by Steve_M |
Ah, hadn’t realised there was one. I get to combine the TV view with watching them out of the window as they fly over central London. |
Is this where you live?
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:01 - May 5 with 1048 views | Ftnfwest |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:30 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
I love to see old aircraft fly, but I really wish we would stop banging on about World War I & WWII. However, I'm sure Reform UK voters will think otherwise.
(Removes pin and escapes). |
We shouldn't mark the end of the war and peacetime? |  | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:11 - May 5 with 1037 views | bluelagos |
Wonder if the Red arrows have upped their game and can now do a Union flag rather just than a French flag?
Appreciate we were on the same side, but these things matter. |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:26 - May 5 with 960 views | Lord_Lucan |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:11 - May 5 by bluelagos |
Wonder if the Red arrows have upped their game and can now do a Union flag rather just than a French flag?
Appreciate we were on the same side, but these things matter. |
Point of order dear boy.
It’s a Netherlands flag. |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:26 - May 5 with 963 views | wischip |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:55 - May 5 by hoppy |
So, what time does that mean over Ipswich? The timings given seem very broad given the speed they’ll be flying at? |
I agree it is a bit vague.
Found on EADT that Red Arrows go over Woodbridge at 1:35pm
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/25137931.red-arrows-will-suffolk-today/
Perhaps the wide time frame is because the different types of aircraft are more spread out over Suffolk so they fly past in stages across an hour, before bunching up closer as they get nearer London. Anytime between 12:15 and 1:45 seems to be the estimate I keep finding. |  | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:29 - May 5 with 937 views | bluelagos |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:26 - May 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Point of order dear boy.
It’s a Netherlands flag. |
Glad to hear it :-) | |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:51 - May 5 with 880 views | hoppy |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:26 - May 5 by Lord_Lucan |
Point of order dear boy.
It’s a Netherlands flag. |
Good to honour Muhren and Thijssen in that way. | |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 12:24 - May 5 with 796 views | Churchman |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 10:30 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
I love to see old aircraft fly, but I really wish we would stop banging on about World War I & WWII. However, I'm sure Reform UK voters will think otherwise.
(Removes pin and escapes). |
Given the rise of the dictators and authoritarians, including the new threat posed by America and old threat by their friends Russia, there’s every reason to remember the lessons of two world wars that cost so many lives and this country so much to fight it.
Ignore the lessons of history or be ignorant of them as say Trump is and you will inevitably repeat the mistakes..
I’ve made my views on Reform known on this forum and in any case, I fail to see what they have to do with anything. |  | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 13:10 - May 5 with 666 views | The_Major |
Whether we like it or not, in possibly 50 years time, certainly by 2100, it will just be another page in history. Those who fought will have gone. Those who remember it as children will have gone. The children and probably the grandchildren of that generation will have gone. For those in the 22nd century, both wars will have as much relevance to them as the Napoleonic or Crimean wars have to us.
It is a depressing thought, so we need to commemorate and celebrate those who did experience it whilst we still can. |  | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 13:40 - May 5 with 599 views | hoppy |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 11:26 - May 5 by wischip |
I agree it is a bit vague.
Found on EADT that Red Arrows go over Woodbridge at 1:35pm
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/25137931.red-arrows-will-suffolk-today/
Perhaps the wide time frame is because the different types of aircraft are more spread out over Suffolk so they fly past in stages across an hour, before bunching up closer as they get nearer London. Anytime between 12:15 and 1:45 seems to be the estimate I keep finding. |
Not sure of the aircraft or flying order, but did just see 2 groups of 3 planes and then the red arrows go over as I was coming out of Aldi on Felixstowe Road. Not sure if any ahead of them, or after, or were the red arrows bringing up the rear? | |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 14:01 - May 5 with 523 views | Keno |
I think the British people are naive, these events are just the military practicing for the coup when they take over the country for the Royal Family to take power again
After all the Tories messed up, labour aren’t doing much better and it may be the only way to stop Farage |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 14:48 - May 5 with 417 views | The_Major |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 13:40 - May 5 by hoppy |
Not sure of the aircraft or flying order, but did just see 2 groups of 3 planes and then the red arrows go over as I was coming out of Aldi on Felixstowe Road. Not sure if any ahead of them, or after, or were the red arrows bringing up the rear? |
Was watching a TikTok live from some guy on the river shore at Freston, and they went right over him.
Had a look on Flight Tracker, and it looks like the rough flight path was Rendlesham-Waldringfield-Warren Heath-Ravenswood-Pipers Vale, so if you were in The Thrasher or coming out of Sainsbury's, you'd have a ringside seat.
Thing is, if you then extended that flight path, it was exactly on the same alignment as The Mall is, 70 odd miles away. Quite incredible. | | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 16:01 - May 5 with 344 views | Radlett_blue |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 12:24 - May 5 by Churchman |
Given the rise of the dictators and authoritarians, including the new threat posed by America and old threat by their friends Russia, there’s every reason to remember the lessons of two world wars that cost so many lives and this country so much to fight it.
Ignore the lessons of history or be ignorant of them as say Trump is and you will inevitably repeat the mistakes..
I’ve made my views on Reform known on this forum and in any case, I fail to see what they have to do with anything. |
I agree that WWII & the events leading up to it have huge relevance to the way European (& American) politics have drifted. We should be mindful of this. However, what we see at these anniversaries tends to be more the jingoistic flag waving, which I don't think is healthy & probably counter-productive nationalism.
We should definitely let WWI (or the Great War as it was briefly called) go as it was a near pointless conflict between 2 groups over imperial pretensions. | |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 16:53 - May 5 with 296 views | Churchman |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 16:01 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
I agree that WWII & the events leading up to it have huge relevance to the way European (& American) politics have drifted. We should be mindful of this. However, what we see at these anniversaries tends to be more the jingoistic flag waving, which I don't think is healthy & probably counter-productive nationalism.
We should definitely let WWI (or the Great War as it was briefly called) go as it was a near pointless conflict between 2 groups over imperial pretensions. |
I watched on tv the VE stuff today. It was anything but jingoistic flag waving in the way you describe it. It was very much a recognition of sacrifice just about everyone in this country and the people of the commonwealth made.
Were there flags, March past, Timothy Spall repeating Churchills words, interviews and a flypast? Yes. Was there pride in what was achieved and recognition of relief that it was at last over for an exhausted nation. Yes. Nothing wrong in that.
For jingoism, I think you need to see what authoritarian Trump is planning in America. Something akin to what dictators serve up and the very reason why the 20c wars to the present day are a lesson not to be ignored.
WW1 was not ‘a pointless conflict between two groups over imperial pretentious’.
It was a war that had to be fought due to the imperial and economic ambitions of one new nation (Germany) and its bonkers Kaiser and the desire of decaying Austria-Hungarian empire to preserve itself.
It was not a war Britain and France wanted but was forced into. It had to be fought. The pity of it was that the allies stopped at the very point where Germany was about to completely collapse militarily in addition to starvation at home.
Had they continued and completely destroyed Germany there and then, there would have been no myth about betrayal, undefeated armed forces and no Nazis to feed off that and start WW2. But given the appalling nature of WW1 and the devastating casualties, I can understand why it was stopped in Nov 18.
Lessons again to be learned. | | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 17:04 - May 5 with 284 views | Radlett_blue |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 16:53 - May 5 by Churchman |
I watched on tv the VE stuff today. It was anything but jingoistic flag waving in the way you describe it. It was very much a recognition of sacrifice just about everyone in this country and the people of the commonwealth made.
Were there flags, March past, Timothy Spall repeating Churchills words, interviews and a flypast? Yes. Was there pride in what was achieved and recognition of relief that it was at last over for an exhausted nation. Yes. Nothing wrong in that.
For jingoism, I think you need to see what authoritarian Trump is planning in America. Something akin to what dictators serve up and the very reason why the 20c wars to the present day are a lesson not to be ignored.
WW1 was not ‘a pointless conflict between two groups over imperial pretentious’.
It was a war that had to be fought due to the imperial and economic ambitions of one new nation (Germany) and its bonkers Kaiser and the desire of decaying Austria-Hungarian empire to preserve itself.
It was not a war Britain and France wanted but was forced into. It had to be fought. The pity of it was that the allies stopped at the very point where Germany was about to completely collapse militarily in addition to starvation at home.
Had they continued and completely destroyed Germany there and then, there would have been no myth about betrayal, undefeated armed forces and no Nazis to feed off that and start WW2. But given the appalling nature of WW1 and the devastating casualties, I can understand why it was stopped in Nov 18.
Lessons again to be learned. |
Hmm...wasn't the rise of the Nazis in Germany partly down to the stringent terms imposed on Germany at the Treaty of Versailles? This set them up for economic ruin & encouraged the rise of fascism and communism.
Another part of WWI or WWII celebrations that I dislike is that it gives the hypocritical royals the opportunity to parade around in military uniform, despite most of them never having seen a day's active military service on their lives. | |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 17:47 - May 5 with 244 views | Churchman |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 17:04 - May 5 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm...wasn't the rise of the Nazis in Germany partly down to the stringent terms imposed on Germany at the Treaty of Versailles? This set them up for economic ruin & encouraged the rise of fascism and communism.
Another part of WWI or WWII celebrations that I dislike is that it gives the hypocritical royals the opportunity to parade around in military uniform, despite most of them never having seen a day's active military service on their lives. |
Well, the Versailles Treaty is Hitler’s argument oft repeated and taken up by the Appeasers whose dominant misplaced heads in the sand approach prevented the crushing of the Nazis before WW2. Hitler’s nonsense lives on in some books on the subject, but the reality is Germany having begun that catastrophic conflict got off lightly. The country could have been occupied, even dismembered to its pre 1871 states. It’s what I’d have done.
Had they continued and allies had the political will and energy in the shadow of carnage and the Depression to enforce the Versailles Treaty there would have been no WW2.
In many ways the Versailles Treaty wasn’t stringent enough. They were being crushed, mainly by the British Army Mr Trump not the Americans and by the Royal Navy that starved Germany of just about everything - and there was nothing the latter could do about it.
In fact, the commander of the German High Seas Fleet wanted to break out and challenge the RN. The men immediately mutinied. They weren’t up for suicide. The massive German navy had rotted in harbour for two years after Jutland and would have been totally destroyed, as it so nearly was in 1916.
As for uniforms, the Royals are technically commanders in chief of certain Regiments hence the uniforms. One or two have seen service of some sort, including Charles and William. If we had a Republic (see my other boring posts on that topic), you’d have other actual or nominal commanders sitting there, just as there were during Cromwell’s Protectorate.
I’m no defender of the Royals, but today was very much Remembrance and gratitude to all those that contributed to victory.
I detest Max Hastings and most of his books. Weird, bitter bloke. But though it’s hard going, his book Catastrophe on the causes and start of WW1 are well worth a read. | | | |
| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 17:50 - May 5 with 236 views | Benters |
They flew right over my friends garden in Dedham,I was stood on a chair in the north wing of my house looking out of my bedroom window,I could see them heading south into London. |  |
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| VE Day flypast today through Suffolk on 17:59 - May 5 with 222 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s a good job they didn’t have to do a retake, or it could have been a v2 blitz 🙈 |  |
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