| Delap to Arsenal ? 20:57 - May 7 with 10467 views | Pippin1970 |
Approaching Ipswich representatives to sign, next to experienced striker. Not sure how true. [Post edited 7 May 21:19]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 with 1666 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:30 - May 7 by pointofblue |
Because this isn't eBay. It isn't an open auction. I'd love you to be right, but I think the case is we have to accept every offer of £30m, so why would any club pointlessly give money to us which could go to increase Delap's contract offer? |
Yeah, I get what you are saying - and everyone else for that matter.
Personally I just don't see why it still can't turn into a bidding war.
Chelsea and Arsenal both bid £30m and we have to accept - but what if Chelsea say. "Hang on a min, we'll raise you to £35m - and so on and on |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 with 1660 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:30 - May 7 by pointofblue |
Because this isn't eBay. It isn't an open auction. I'd love you to be right, but I think the case is we have to accept every offer of £30m, so why would any club pointlessly give money to us which could go to increase Delap's contract offer? |
Because the fixed price fee has been met.
Delap can then choose what club he feels suits more, or indeed offers the most appealing personal terms. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:35 - May 7 with 1629 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 by BLUEBEAT |
Because the fixed price fee has been met.
Delap can then choose what club he feels suits more, or indeed offers the most appealing personal terms. |
That's where it's going to count then isn't it, a massive signing on fee. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:36 - May 7 with 1624 views | berkstractorboy |
We are in season with games to go and not in a transfer window. His contract doesn't end at end June so how can clubs be talking to reps I thought that wasn't allowed on contracted players? It's not like any interest can turn his head as we are way past that but still a distraction for him thinking which club to be at and not on helping Town finish the season strongly.
He sounds very professional but still not a great look all this going on and teams trying to finish a season! | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:43 - May 7 with 1564 views | vapour_trail |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:36 - May 7 by berkstractorboy |
We are in season with games to go and not in a transfer window. His contract doesn't end at end June so how can clubs be talking to reps I thought that wasn't allowed on contracted players? It's not like any interest can turn his head as we are way past that but still a distraction for him thinking which club to be at and not on helping Town finish the season strongly.
He sounds very professional but still not a great look all this going on and teams trying to finish a season! |
LOL. It’s not 2005 mate.
That rule may still exist on some statute somewhere but really. I would hope we are talking to our targets for the second division campaign . |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:43 - May 7 with 1561 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Yeah, I get what you are saying - and everyone else for that matter.
Personally I just don't see why it still can't turn into a bidding war.
Chelsea and Arsenal both bid £30m and we have to accept - but what if Chelsea say. "Hang on a min, we'll raise you to £35m - and so on and on |
Because bidding over £30m has absolutely zero benefit!
If anything it means you've got less money to offer Delap contract-wise |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:49 - May 7 with 1529 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
FFS how many times are we going to have this debate 
It’s going to be a very long couple of months waiting for this to conclude … | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:51 - May 7 with 1515 views | berkstractorboy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:43 - May 7 by vapour_trail |
LOL. It’s not 2005 mate.
That rule may still exist on some statute somewhere but really. I would hope we are talking to our targets for the second division campaign . |
Nothing to do with what year it is, if the rules state no contact with players unless clubs give permission and maybe Town have. It could impact the integrity of the league if there were still things to play for if some players heads are turned causing them to not be 100% focussed and teams could be weaker giving the oppo a greater chance to win and pick up points.
I appreciate that's a stretch to claim integrity harmed given the EPL bias towards top 6, but I am not sure I have seen transfer business played out in public so much before the end of the season. Probably not taken much notice before as it's nothing to do with us. | | | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:51 - May 7 with 1514 views | Smoresy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:36 - May 7 by berkstractorboy |
We are in season with games to go and not in a transfer window. His contract doesn't end at end June so how can clubs be talking to reps I thought that wasn't allowed on contracted players? It's not like any interest can turn his head as we are way past that but still a distraction for him thinking which club to be at and not on helping Town finish the season strongly.
He sounds very professional but still not a great look all this going on and teams trying to finish a season! |
Are clubs verifiably talking with him or is it the normal whispers in corridors? If they are, I'd guess it's because the release clause allows them to. Players soon to be out of contract are allowed to negotiate without the owner club's permission, as with Alexander-Arnold and Real Madrid. Real could announce him today if they wanted to. We can't stand in the way once someone provides £30m, so maybe it's the same situation - they aren't illegally tapping up because he's free to leave. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:53 - May 7 with 1477 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:51 - May 7 by Smoresy |
Are clubs verifiably talking with him or is it the normal whispers in corridors? If they are, I'd guess it's because the release clause allows them to. Players soon to be out of contract are allowed to negotiate without the owner club's permission, as with Alexander-Arnold and Real Madrid. Real could announce him today if they wanted to. We can't stand in the way once someone provides £30m, so maybe it's the same situation - they aren't illegally tapping up because he's free to leave. |
The TAA situation is a bit different as players in the last 6 months of their contract are allowed to talk to foreign clubs | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:54 - May 7 with 1468 views | berkstractorboy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:51 - May 7 by Smoresy |
Are clubs verifiably talking with him or is it the normal whispers in corridors? If they are, I'd guess it's because the release clause allows them to. Players soon to be out of contract are allowed to negotiate without the owner club's permission, as with Alexander-Arnold and Real Madrid. Real could announce him today if they wanted to. We can't stand in the way once someone provides £30m, so maybe it's the same situation - they aren't illegally tapping up because he's free to leave. |
He's not due to be out of contract, its reported he has a release clause on relegation. Maybe the fact relegation is confirmed allows those discussions to begin immediately or maybe Town have given permission. Just seems odd to me but I could be in a minority.
The BBC gossip thing says Arsenal spoke to reps of the player so hopefully Liam is fully focussed on training and 3 hat tricks to end the season. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:06 - May 7 with 1414 views | Suffolktractor |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 by BLUEBEAT |
Because the fixed price fee has been met.
Delap can then choose what club he feels suits more, or indeed offers the most appealing personal terms. |
My only query is what if Club 1 come along and offer £30 million and will pay ITFC in 24 months time, then Club 2 come along and offer £30 million and will pay tomorrow.
Do ITFC get any say about where he goes in that situation? | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:08 - May 7 with 1411 views | Smoresy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:54 - May 7 by berkstractorboy |
He's not due to be out of contract, its reported he has a release clause on relegation. Maybe the fact relegation is confirmed allows those discussions to begin immediately or maybe Town have given permission. Just seems odd to me but I could be in a minority.
The BBC gossip thing says Arsenal spoke to reps of the player so hopefully Liam is fully focussed on training and 3 hat tricks to end the season. |
I haven't followed the stories but would wager talks became formal after relegation as you say. We've provided permission for him to leave to anyone for £30m after all. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:10 - May 7 with 1392 views | Smoresy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:53 - May 7 by NedPlimpton |
The TAA situation is a bit different as players in the last 6 months of their contract are allowed to talk to foreign clubs |
Cheers I didn't realise players could only speak to foreign clubs in that scenario. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:20 - May 7 with 1348 views | vapour_trail |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:51 - May 7 by berkstractorboy |
Nothing to do with what year it is, if the rules state no contact with players unless clubs give permission and maybe Town have. It could impact the integrity of the league if there were still things to play for if some players heads are turned causing them to not be 100% focussed and teams could be weaker giving the oppo a greater chance to win and pick up points.
I appreciate that's a stretch to claim integrity harmed given the EPL bias towards top 6, but I am not sure I have seen transfer business played out in public so much before the end of the season. Probably not taken much notice before as it's nothing to do with us. |
20 years ago this mattered and was (loosely) monitored.
That really isn’t the case today. There are rules but everyone knows it’s like the Wild West. We should expect Delano’s people to be talking to everyone, as with anyone else considering a move this summer.
It’s irrelevant these days.
Transfer business is always played out in public. I’ve no doubt Liam will still do his best whilst he’s here. I’d put him in the bench anyway and build for next year with Hirst. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:42 - May 7 with 1293 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 23:20 - May 7 by vapour_trail |
20 years ago this mattered and was (loosely) monitored.
That really isn’t the case today. There are rules but everyone knows it’s like the Wild West. We should expect Delano’s people to be talking to everyone, as with anyone else considering a move this summer.
It’s irrelevant these days.
Transfer business is always played out in public. I’ve no doubt Liam will still do his best whilst he’s here. I’d put him in the bench anyway and build for next year with Hirst. |
Your last point I get, but it isn't guaranteed Hirst will be here next year either, Phil has reported Leeds and Burnley are looking at him. Pick the best available XI till the end of the season especially, against West Ham as a few of my pals support them and they can get a bit chirpy. Plus I think I've bagged a ticket for it. |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 04:27 - May 8 with 1162 views | Benters |
Delap will go to West Ham. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:27 - May 8 with 1104 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:49 - May 7 by SuffolkPunchFC |
FFS how many times are we going to have this debate
It’s going to be a very long couple of months waiting for this to conclude … |
I disagree...I think it’ll be great fun to watch this conclude. Doesn’t affect us as we know he isn’t staying and we know how much money we’ll have to work with. I know that he may not have chosen to come to us if we’d set a higher release clause, but still can’t help feeling it was poor foresight (and wonderful hindsight) to only make it £30m. |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:32 - May 8 with 1095 views | Battersea_Blue |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:33 - May 7 by GavTWTD |
Its a Buy It Now for the 30m set price. He just gets the best personal terms or the club he fancies the most to better his career. |
The club has not stated exactly what this "release" clause is and they haven't stated it's £30m.
As a businessman, I wouldn't sign an unproven player at this level for £20m (or whatever it was that we paid City) and include a clause that the maximum we could get is £30m. I might sign a clause that said if someone bids £30m it triggers a potential sale at that figure, but then it opens up the possibility of increased offers from elsewhere and obviously the player's potential acceptance of any acceptable deal to the club.
I would seriously question our CEO's business acumen if the contract states that the maximum we can get for him is £30m. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:36 - May 8 with 1071 views | BlueOura |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 04:27 - May 8 by Benters |
Delap will go to West Ham. |
Not if he has any sense he wont, they are crap, and if Leeds / Burnley get their act together in the summer in terms of recruitment I could see West Ham going down next year. |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 with 1067 views | PioneerBlue |
The fact he’s not been a starter since we were technically relegated might be the give away here in terms of when the talks could really start. Either he goes or he stays, they are the options. I don’t really care which club it is if he leaves as long as it’s done early as possible. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 with 1063 views | SheffordBlue |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:32 - May 8 by Battersea_Blue |
The club has not stated exactly what this "release" clause is and they haven't stated it's £30m.
As a businessman, I wouldn't sign an unproven player at this level for £20m (or whatever it was that we paid City) and include a clause that the maximum we could get is £30m. I might sign a clause that said if someone bids £30m it triggers a potential sale at that figure, but then it opens up the possibility of increased offers from elsewhere and obviously the player's potential acceptance of any acceptable deal to the club.
I would seriously question our CEO's business acumen if the contract states that the maximum we can get for him is £30m. |
I think that in many of our transfer dealings last summer we probably weren't in the strongest position to dictate terms. If Delap's representatives were looking out for his interests they may have insisted on a relatively low release clause with the view that we were likely to be relegated.
At the time we signed him it looked like Ioannidis has turned us down and other targets like Broja weren't looking like they'd happen quickly. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:48 - May 8 with 1040 views | Len_Brennan |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:32 - May 8 by Battersea_Blue |
The club has not stated exactly what this "release" clause is and they haven't stated it's £30m.
As a businessman, I wouldn't sign an unproven player at this level for £20m (or whatever it was that we paid City) and include a clause that the maximum we could get is £30m. I might sign a clause that said if someone bids £30m it triggers a potential sale at that figure, but then it opens up the possibility of increased offers from elsewhere and obviously the player's potential acceptance of any acceptable deal to the club.
I would seriously question our CEO's business acumen if the contract states that the maximum we can get for him is £30m. |
In which case he would have signed for Southampton, and we would have really struggled to have a proper centre forward available when kicking off the season. Ioannidis turned down a number of offers, so we may have been forced into agreeing a deal for Broja, despite the injury concerns. Perhaps we would have gone for Latte Lathe earlier, or paid a ridiculous fee for Eddie Nketiah.
We'll get £30m for him, so around £10m profit as presumably most of the add on will have been met. As Man City have a 20% sell on, which normally works on the profit amount, which leaves us with £8m clear profit.
Of course had we managed to stay up, which was very much in the thoughts of the manager & the board, none of this conversation would be relevant, as the club only agreed to the release clause in the event of us being relegated. [Post edited 8 May 6:53]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:20 - May 8 with 943 views | Benters |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:36 - May 8 by BlueOura |
Not if he has any sense he wont, they are crap, and if Leeds / Burnley get their act together in the summer in terms of recruitment I could see West Ham going down next year. |
I hope he doesn’t go to West Ham I have heard through my HP sauce Cresswell will be part of the deal. [Post edited 8 May 7:27]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:24 - May 8 with 912 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:20 - May 8 by Benters |
I hope he doesn’t go to West Ham I have heard through my HP sauce Cresswell will be part of the deal. [Post edited 8 May 7:27]
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35 year old Cresswell, who will be out of contract in June. Seems unlikely. |  |
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