| If someone knocked on your door 02:28 - May 17 with 4475 views | onceablue |
And proceeded to tell you that they have left their homeland and decided to try and have a better life elsewhere and had picked you to do the following and you had no choice
House them at your expense
Feed them at your expense
Provide Clothing at your expense
Provide other life essentials at your expense (too many to mention)
Allow them to bring their own cultures to your house which may be very different from your own
You have to do this indefinitely until they can support themselves which may take years what would you say?
If you said look mate I would love to try and help you but we just haven’t got the space or the money would you think it fair if that person then called you a racist fascist pig?
This is the issue Migration is causing round the World. It is not always anything to do with race or religion but more to do with the finances of it all and how we pay for
If the Government were honest and said look life is really unfair and we need to support the less fortunate in life to come and live in our country so we are going to put the basic rate of tax up by 2p for everyone would this be supported by the general public?
For those of you posters that would say yes I support this please donate a minimum of £400 a year to a charity of your choice to replicate in the meantime.
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| If someone knocked on your door on 20:10 - May 17 with 644 views | redrickstuhaart |
| If someone knocked on your door on 20:05 - May 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Is he wanging on about low pay again? The evidence shows that the median pay of immigrants is higher than UK nationals (which makes obvious sense if you actually think about it, as a lot come here on the high skilled visa into decent jobs such as doctors, engineers, management consultants, academics, etc. |
The issue is that care workers are not paid enough to live, so we import them, and then pay them benefits to top them up. Rather than insisting that companies pay a fair wage, which in turn would allow us to reduce company taxes... | | | |
| If someone knocked on your door on 20:54 - May 17 with 593 views | Kropotkin123 |
| If someone knocked on your door on 15:52 - May 17 by lowhouseblue |
i'm not cherry picking 2024. as you know i usually quote the four years from 2021 to 2024 when total net migration was some 3 million. the number of people coming to work on health and social care visas is shown at para 54 here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6821f334ced319d02c906103/restorin
2023 was the only year when it exceeds 100,000. 2022 it was about 80,000, and in 2021 it was the same as in 2024. so over those 4 years the number of people arriving to work on health and social care visas totalled some 300,000. but that isn't the net immigration of those workers - others will have completed their visas and left in the same period. so the contribution of that visa group to net immigration in the 4 year period is less than 10% of the total.
the numbers you are quoting includes a big rise in dependents - and again the numbers you quote don't allow for others leaving so they don't equate to net immigration (again the 3million figure).
we've done the student visa issue to death. all people who initially arrive on student visas are being counted here. but the rise in net immigration associated with this group is almost entirely explained by people staying on once they have ceased to be students. the net immigration is not primarily the result of more overseas students being in education here, it's lots of ex students getting graduate visas and staying here to do largely low skill work. the graduate visa is not a necessary consequence of overseas students - if it had never been invented the number of students would be the same but net immigration would have been much lower. but you know this. it's a distortion to pretend that the graduate visa is the same as people actually being in education here. |
Big assumption in here which is disproved by facts.
You say we have had 300,000 in the last for years, which is an insanely high number and definitely indicates a domestic failing.
"Others will have completed their visas and left in the same period" - Stats demonstrate they haven't left in any significant numbers.
Non-UK nationals as a percentage of the NHS:
2009: 11.9%
2016: 13%
2023: 20.4%
I'm sorry to labour the point and pick at it like this, but you highlighted it and continue to justify it. It is a fallacy to suggest the NHS isn't anything other than an exemplary example of net migration, and the underlying complexities - needs, weaknesses, issues to close the demand side, suppression of domestic wages in relation to housing, and so on. |  |
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| If someone knocked on your door on 21:08 - May 17 with 572 views | Blueschev |
I wouldn’t be very happy if you did it. |  | | |
| If someone knocked on your door on 21:18 - May 17 with 555 views | NewcyBlue |
Search and Rescue by NewcyBlue 30 Sep 2020 17:21At 1630GMT we received a call from a search and rescue aircraft, they had sighted small craft heading North towards the Canary Islands.
At the time I was 54m above sea level changing signal lights on the signal mast.
I was radioed and informed that I was needed on the bridge. The radars were started, which were turned off as I was up the signal mast.
After we were given the position of the boats we proceeded at full speed.
Approximately 36 minutes later we were in sight of two small boats. We called Las Palmas Marine Rescue Coordination Centre and informed them of what we had found. They told us that we should escort the boats North to the safety of a Spanish search and rescue vessel.
We were told that if necessary we may be required to rescue the persons on the boats.
As medical Officer I had preparations to make.
- The hospital was prepared
- First aid bag and oxygen was prepared
- Covid precautions for my crew was prepared
- A camera and notepad and pen was prepared.
I’m also in charge of life saving appliances such as life rafts and boats. I then proceeded to prepare
- The rescue boat, including inflatable life jackets for the rescue boat crew
- lifebuoys were stood by
- transponders for search and rescue that show up on the radar.
- Portable VHF radio for the rescue boat crew
- Additional lines that may be needed for towing the craft
After preparing this, I took two of my crew to lock the accommodation down, followed by all other accessible spaces on board.
The place was that we would keep the migrants in one place, we have to ensure the safety of the crew as well as the migrants. We also have to ensure the security of the vessel.
After doing a couple of meal reliefs to ensure other officers had some dinner, I went for some rest. There was nothing more that I could do.
We got the migrant boats to safety, in all there were four boats.
It’s always a joy to refer to this when posts like the OP crop up. |  |
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| If someone knocked on your door on 21:46 - May 17 with 506 views | syntaxerror |
Posts like this disappoint me so much as a human being.
Why have we allowed immigration to be demonised so much. The again, why did we allow Europe to be so demonised. Why do we allow woke to be used as a term of disgust.
Why in 2025 is racism, homophobia, sexism, any form of intolerance being given platforms to spread their hate.
We are failing as human beings.
To answer the OP:
Do you like food? Go for a curry or Chinese or pizza occasionally? Or those strawberries, picked for you by someone? Immigrants say hello.
Do you like music? Maybe a bit of ska, reggae, dance music, Northern Soul? Immigrants invited us to dance with them.
I am sure you see the Battle of Britain as one of the defining parts of the ‘Great British Spirit’ Did you know that those same Poles who ‘took your jobs’ last decade had the best squadron during the battle that epitomised British spirit?
Do you use the NHS? Your Philippine or Nigerian born nurse might hear your views, but will still do their best to make you better.
How about football? Not sure you like that, as I have never seen you post about football. But let’s just pick one. Our captain fantastic.
Samy Sayed Mekkay Saied Morsy was born on 10 September 1991 in Wolverhampton. His father, Mekawy, came from Egypt and met his mother, Karen.
Oh look, an immigrant brought Sam Morsy into the world.
Do you like the fact that you live in one of the richest countries in the world? Your colonial servants who gave you that wealth can’t protest as they are long dead, having spent their lives enriching yours.
It’s like that Monty Python skit. ‘What did the Roman’s do for us’
I do not know you OP. I do not call you a rascist or a fascist. I grew up in apartheid South Africa. (Born in UK, so you can’t write me off as a bloody immigrant), so I know very well what an intolerance is.
But I will say, if I ever have the misfortune to meet you and shake your hand, I will feel unclean. [Post edited 17 May 21:48]
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| If someone knocked on your door on 07:16 - May 18 with 328 views | DJR |
| If someone knocked on your door on 09:09 - May 17 by DJR |
As an immigrant, I think this from John Crace is a pretty powerful riposte.
Monday
On a day like this, I think back to my heart attack last year. The doctors, nurses and hospital porters who treated me in St George’s. My 24 hours in A&E, wired up to various monitors, while staff tried to find me a bed. The two days on an overflow ward. The surgeon and his cardio team who had finished their list early and were well within their rights to knock off for the day or take it easy for the rest of their shift, but instead chose to treat me several days sooner than expected. Just because they could. To make a stranger’s life immeasurably better. To save my life. The hospital may have been stretched to breaking point but its staff could not have done more for me. Staff that had come to work in the UK from dozens of countries.
On a day like this, I also think of the staff at the care home where my mother spent the last seven years of her life before she died in March this year. The men and women who did their best to ease the confusion her Alzheimer’s caused her, who bathed her and helped her go to the toilet. Almost a second family to her. They, too, had come to this country from all over the world to do the job that few others wanted to do. So to have spent part of the morning listening to Keir Starmer denigrate the role that immigrants have played in this country was a depressing experience. It was his language, more than the measures in the white paper, that stuck in the throat. The echoes of Enoch Powell’s “strangers in their own country” in his “island of strangers”. We are told that the similarities were accidental. In which case, the communications team at No 10 is tone deaf. [Post edited 17 May 9:10]
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Michael Rosen, who nearly died of cancer, has written this poem.
My island of strangers
I lay in bed
hardly able to breathe
but there were people to sedate me,
pump air into me
calm me down when I thrashed around
hold my hand and reassure me
play me songs my family sent in
turn me over to help my lungs
shave me, wash me, feed me
check my medication
perform the tracheostomy
people on this “island of strangers”
from China, Jamaica, Brazil, Ireland
India, USA, Nigeria and Greece.
I sat on the edge of my bed
and four people came with
a frame and supported me
or took me to a gym
where they taught me how
to walk between parallel bars
or kick a balloon
sat me in a wheelchair
taught me how to use the exercise bike
how to walk with a stick
how to walk without a stick
people on this “island of strangers”
from China, Jamaica, Brazil, Ireland
India, USA, Nigeria and Greece.
If ever you’re in need as I was
may you have an island of strangers
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| If someone knocked on your door on 08:34 - May 18 with 263 views | Crawfordsboot |
This is a truly appalling and depressing post but thankfully there have been many informed and thoughtful responses.
There is no need to add to the detailed arguments but I think one serious issue has been missed.
Creatures such as Farage play on people’s basic fears. Four years ago i returned to the UK after spending twenty years or so in Europe and India. I returned to live in a community just north of the potteries. I have made many new friends. They are generally intelligent and generous people and yet frequently in their throwaway comments over a beer they display casual racism.
To understand this we have to understand that in just one generation many such communities have experienced an unprecedented rate of change in their lives and expectations. Where in the past children followed parents into industries and jobs that certainty in life has gone. People no longer have that security for themselves, their children or their communities. They feel vulnerable.
Such change is scary and people like Farage play on people’s fears and offer up targets to blame. Add in to the mix deprived areas that are neglected and left to rot whilst society looks to reality tv for glamour and glitz and naturally you will have resentment. This can be turned on immigrants who of course stand out as newcomers bringing the change that people are scared of.
As demonstrated by most of the posts here there are many people who are not xenophobic but we would do well to understand the root cause of much racist reaction in society. |  | | |
| If someone knocked on your door on 08:41 - May 18 with 244 views | Mullet |
| If someone knocked on your door on 08:34 - May 18 by Crawfordsboot |
This is a truly appalling and depressing post but thankfully there have been many informed and thoughtful responses.
There is no need to add to the detailed arguments but I think one serious issue has been missed.
Creatures such as Farage play on people’s basic fears. Four years ago i returned to the UK after spending twenty years or so in Europe and India. I returned to live in a community just north of the potteries. I have made many new friends. They are generally intelligent and generous people and yet frequently in their throwaway comments over a beer they display casual racism.
To understand this we have to understand that in just one generation many such communities have experienced an unprecedented rate of change in their lives and expectations. Where in the past children followed parents into industries and jobs that certainty in life has gone. People no longer have that security for themselves, their children or their communities. They feel vulnerable.
Such change is scary and people like Farage play on people’s fears and offer up targets to blame. Add in to the mix deprived areas that are neglected and left to rot whilst society looks to reality tv for glamour and glitz and naturally you will have resentment. This can be turned on immigrants who of course stand out as newcomers bringing the change that people are scared of.
As demonstrated by most of the posts here there are many people who are not xenophobic but we would do well to understand the root cause of much racist reaction in society. |
We also have a massively class-based society. Reform hinges on white, baby boomer, provate school blokes pretending to be one of us. There is this weird dissonance that they understand us, whilst hoarding money and avoiding tax in any way possible.
The fact that people don't care about this, or even see it is really telling. The media are also complicit either because they are mates with them, or hate those in power. How often does a party with 5 MPs get so much air time?
The rate of change you talk about is really interesting. Labour tried in 1997 to get more of us working class kids into uni for the first time, to invest in a lot of social structures. Not everyone benefited or took part in it. Likewise their MPs have seemingly become more middle class in airs and graces.
Starmer being villified for being a successful public servant and Farage praised for being part of the elite is absolutely baffling, but plays into the sort of things you're talking about I think. |  |
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| If someone knocked on your door on 10:55 - May 18 with 163 views | FoghornGleghorn |
Do some research into what any of this costs you, and stop blindly trusting and parroting what your newspapers are telling you.
For your own sake, I hope you never get to see first-hand just how little Farage or whatever similar characters you might idolise actually give a toss about you. | | | |
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