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And proceeded to tell you that they have left their homeland and decided to try and have a better life elsewhere and had picked you to do the following and you had no choice
House them at your expense Feed them at your expense Provide Clothing at your expense Provide other life essentials at your expense (too many to mention) Allow them to bring their own cultures to your house which may be very different from your own
You have to do this indefinitely until they can support themselves which may take years what would you say?
If you said look mate I would love to try and help you but we just haven’t got the space or the money would you think it fair if that person then called you a racist fascist pig?
This is the issue Migration is causing round the World. It is not always anything to do with race or religion but more to do with the finances of it all and how we pay for
If the Government were honest and said look life is really unfair and we need to support the less fortunate in life to come and live in our country so we are going to put the basic rate of tax up by 2p for everyone would this be supported by the general public?
For those of you posters that would say yes I support this please donate a minimum of £400 a year to a charity of your choice to replicate in the meantime.
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If someone knocked on your door on 03:51 - May 17 with 2272 views
That isn’t true, and it’s not the core issue with migration. If it were, governments would have stopped migration by now - it would be in their interest and relatively easy to do through caps.
The real problem is that migration acts as a plaster over deeper, systemic issues. As I’ve said before, it’s fundamentally about supply and demand. Take healthcare as an example: there’s a strong demand for healthcare workers, yet the UK fails to train or retain enough domestic staff. Why? Because the hours are long, the conditions are tough, and the pay is relatively poor. As a result, many who could do the job either never enter the profession or leave to pursue something else.
Without immigration, the only solution would be to improve pay, conditions, education, and training in order to attract and retain domestic workers.
But we’re not willing to make those investments - largely because doing so would require higher taxes on the wealthy and redistributing wealth from the top 1%. Instead, we turn to immigration to bring in foreign workers who are willing to accept these conditions. This, in turn, keeps wages low and reduces opportunities for good domestic careers - not just in healthcare, but across many sectors.
In some cases, like seasonal fruit picking, such an approach might be intentional and manageable. But at the current scale and across so many industries, it’s unsustainable. Artificially suppressed wages, without correction via domestic supply and demand, lead to broader social and economic problems - such as people being unable to afford homes, start families, or build stable futures.
Aside from this, integrating so many cultures into the UK, at such a rate, is basically impossible and leads to social strife, as you are adequately demonstrating through your emotional, incorrect, but still insightful post.
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Nice strawman, but it’s not true. Migration to the UK has on average been a net financial (and most would also say cultural) benefit to the UK, so your analogy is simply wrong.
Why do you hate foreigners so much that your sole mission in life seems to be to try and undermine immigration? Have you suffered a traumatic experience at the hands of a migrant? There are probably better ways to deal with that than channelling your hatred like this.
You forgot the bit about how much money you'll take from them in taxes once they start to support themselves.
Also how they'll possibly take care of you in your later years when no one else will, or do maintenance jobs around your house because there's a skills shortage.
You also forgot to mention that your house is bloomin' massive, has an aging population and due to the rest of the people in your house having less children,, also runs very real risk of population decline
But other than that your analogy is water tight
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If someone knocked on your door on 07:36 - May 17 with 1946 views
Your premise is all wrong. You don't even mention any of the benefits they bring - such as working the crappy jobs we don't want to do.
And nobody has called anyone a racist fascist pig for not taking migrants into their own home and paying for all their food, clothes and life essentials. So many straw men you must've used an entire field.
Did you copy and paste that from someone else in your bubble? I hope so. If you made it up yourself, seek help. Be careful if you seek help in the NHS though, some of them are foreigners.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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If someone knocked on your door on 07:43 - May 17 with 1913 views
Your premise is all wrong. You don't even mention any of the benefits they bring - such as working the crappy jobs we don't want to do.
And nobody has called anyone a racist fascist pig for not taking migrants into their own home and paying for all their food, clothes and life essentials. So many straw men you must've used an entire field.
Did you copy and paste that from someone else in your bubble? I hope so. If you made it up yourself, seek help. Be careful if you seek help in the NHS though, some of them are foreigners.
I’m trying not be draw conclusions from the assumption that a 2% tax rise = £400 but maybe my maths is wrong.
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If someone knocked on your door on 07:49 - May 17 with 1856 views
Look, it’s fine for you to have whatever views you want privately. You’re allowed to be incredibly right wing and not give £400 a year to charity if you don’t want to. But don’t try to dress it up as logical common sense that everyone relates to.
We have plenty of homegrown workshy in the UK whom the taxpayer houses, clothes in sports direct's finest, pays for their baccy and affords them holidays in Benidorm.
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Why would anyone have to donate £400 to charity if you’re claiming this is already happening and we’re already paying for it?
This post is straight out of the reform playbook. Someone who believes their problems in life are caused by immigrants rather than the millionaires who do everything they can to protect their wealth.
I can’t believe people are still falling for it. I get there’s an educational gap there but how can people not see they’re worse off after Brexit? Immigration (which they hate) has gone up substantially since Brexit, and now they’re allowing the lying scumbag who made millions from Brexit convince them that he’s still the answer, and immigrants are still the problem
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If someone knocked on your door on 08:50 - May 17 with 1599 views
If someone knocked on your door on 08:14 - May 17 by wrightsrightglove
Why would anyone have to donate £400 to charity if you’re claiming this is already happening and we’re already paying for it?
This post is straight out of the reform playbook. Someone who believes their problems in life are caused by immigrants rather than the millionaires who do everything they can to protect their wealth.
I can’t believe people are still falling for it. I get there’s an educational gap there but how can people not see they’re worse off after Brexit? Immigration (which they hate) has gone up substantially since Brexit, and now they’re allowing the lying scumbag who made millions from Brexit convince them that he’s still the answer, and immigrants are still the problem
A "lying scumbag" who rarely turns up to perform his duties as an MP and it was the same when he was a MEP.
Hard to know if he would do any work at all if he did manage to become PM.
SB
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If someone knocked on your door on 08:55 - May 17 with 1576 views
As an immigrant, I think this from John Crace is a pretty powerful riposte.
Monday On a day like this, I think back to my heart attack last year. The doctors, nurses and hospital porters who treated me in St George’s. My 24 hours in A&E, wired up to various monitors, while staff tried to find me a bed. The two days on an overflow ward. The surgeon and his cardio team who had finished their list early and were well within their rights to knock off for the day or take it easy for the rest of their shift, but instead chose to treat me several days sooner than expected. Just because they could. To make a stranger’s life immeasurably better. To save my life. The hospital may have been stretched to breaking point but its staff could not have done more for me. Staff that had come to work in the UK from dozens of countries.
On a day like this, I also think of the staff at the care home where my mother spent the last seven years of her life before she died in March this year. The men and women who did their best to ease the confusion her Alzheimer’s caused her, who bathed her and helped her go to the toilet. Almost a second family to her. They, too, had come to this country from all over the world to do the job that few others wanted to do. So to have spent part of the morning listening to Keir Starmer denigrate the role that immigrants have played in this country was a depressing experience. It was his language, more than the measures in the white paper, that stuck in the throat. The echoes of Enoch Powell’s “strangers in their own country” in his “island of strangers”. We are told that the similarities were accidental. In which case, the communications team at No 10 is tone deaf.
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If someone knocked on your door on 09:12 - May 17 with 1469 views
Like many I have come across dozens if not 100s of migrants in my life. Am yet to have one knock on my door and ask for anything tbh.
And as you suggest I do regularly support charities like this one, that helps all sorts of people including refugees.
If one other person links through and donates then cheers for your post highlighting the need to help people, especially given the level of hostility from people like you.
If someone knocked on your door on 09:12 - May 17 by bluelagos
Like many I have come across dozens if not 100s of migrants in my life. Am yet to have one knock on my door and ask for anything tbh.
And as you suggest I do regularly support charities like this one, that helps all sorts of people including refugees.
If one other person links through and donates then cheers for your post highlighting the need to help people, especially given the level of hostility from people like you.
The householder replies that they are too busy watching something on Netflix and need all their money for that subscription, plus their oveeseas holiday. To a nice place, not some war- or climate-torn place wrecked by the policies of the householder's country and their allies.
And yes, I do give that kind of money to various causes each year.
If someone knocked on your door on 08:14 - May 17 by wrightsrightglove
Why would anyone have to donate £400 to charity if you’re claiming this is already happening and we’re already paying for it?
This post is straight out of the reform playbook. Someone who believes their problems in life are caused by immigrants rather than the millionaires who do everything they can to protect their wealth.
I can’t believe people are still falling for it. I get there’s an educational gap there but how can people not see they’re worse off after Brexit? Immigration (which they hate) has gone up substantially since Brexit, and now they’re allowing the lying scumbag who made millions from Brexit convince them that he’s still the answer, and immigrants are still the problem
The biggest priority for this country is to improve the education system.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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If someone knocked on your door on 09:21 - May 17 with 1361 views
As an aside - why does private eye still use such small type print ffs. Especially as it's readership is more elderly - you'd think they would produce a magazine that is readable.
If you take overseas students as an example they have to pay for a visa, pay a health surcharge, pay higher tuition fees and are not entitled to student loans.
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If someone knocked on your door on 09:29 - May 17 with 1257 views
I have to pay for the royals to get far more than that, as well as for the elderly, disabled, orphaned etc who rely in part or totally on the state support. Why not just leave them all to their own devices and hope they die or go away?
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