| There are a few on here who could apply 17:07 - Jun 11 with 2346 views | Keno |
for this!!
Ipswich Town are looking for someone to join the First team scouting & recruitment team. The successful candidate will play a key role in the identifying, assessing & recommending potential signings to strengthen the #ITFC first team squad.
https://theaspa.org/jobs/f/recruitment-analyst |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:10 - Jun 11 with 2214 views | usm |
Christ Keno, why did you post that on here?
They'll be inundated, man. |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 with 2187 views | Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:16 - Jun 11 with 2150 views | Keno |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:10 - Jun 11 by usm |
Christ Keno, why did you post that on here?
They'll be inundated, man. |
Ive played Championship Manager so I think I am well qualified!! | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:21 - Jun 11 with 2104 views | Swansea_Blue |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |
Well they can hardly advertise it comes with a free ticket to Norwich away!  |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:28 - Jun 11 with 2048 views | Daninthecampo |
Not accepting CV's is that a normal thing now? Been self employed for over 20 years so no idea but seems strange | | | |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:32 - Jun 11 with 2022 views | DJR |
If you click on the online application button, it comes up with various roles.
Cleaner-Training Ground and Laundry Assistant seem right up my street. [Post edited 11 Jun 17:35]
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:33 - Jun 11 with 2010 views | Zx1988 |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:28 - Jun 11 by Daninthecampo |
Not accepting CV's is that a normal thing now? Been self employed for over 20 years so no idea but seems strange |
I think it's fairly normal these days - a lot of processes now use an online application.
It probably makes the initial digital sift easier to do, and eliminates the ability to game the system by doing things like hiding key words in white in a footer and suchlike. | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:40 - Jun 11 with 1953 views | MattinLondon |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |
What’s actually wrong with the pack? It tells you what they expect from a candidate- unless someone is a complete idiot then that person should expect to grow within that specialised field, gaining experience daily.
In terms of pay - I’m guessing that to a certain extent the successful candidate will expect to be paid the going rate which they will be fully aware of. |  | | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:58 - Jun 11 with 1867 views | textbackup |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |
They’ll be paying about £25k, hence why there’s no mention of that |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:04 - Jun 11 with 1837 views | Zx1988 |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:40 - Jun 11 by MattinLondon |
What’s actually wrong with the pack? It tells you what they expect from a candidate- unless someone is a complete idiot then that person should expect to grow within that specialised field, gaining experience daily.
In terms of pay - I’m guessing that to a certain extent the successful candidate will expect to be paid the going rate which they will be fully aware of. |
It's a two way street though. Even if it's being made abundantly clear what is expected of me, I would expect to get even a hint of what I can expect in return, before I potentially waste hours of my time filling in the application and going through the interview process, only to find out that they can't/won't beat or match my current T&Cs.
As Texters alludes to, the only reason a firm doesn't mention T&Cs in a job advert these days is either because they aren't actually that good, or want to get the post filled cheaply by hoping that the candidate will request a package far lower than the budget for the role. [Post edited 11 Jun 18:07]
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:08 - Jun 11 with 1804 views | textbackup |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:04 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
It's a two way street though. Even if it's being made abundantly clear what is expected of me, I would expect to get even a hint of what I can expect in return, before I potentially waste hours of my time filling in the application and going through the interview process, only to find out that they can't/won't beat or match my current T&Cs.
As Texters alludes to, the only reason a firm doesn't mention T&Cs in a job advert these days is either because they aren't actually that good, or want to get the post filled cheaply by hoping that the candidate will request a package far lower than the budget for the role. [Post edited 11 Jun 18:07]
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I’ve had a look of late at a number of roles, so many don’t mention the salary… fill in an application and they ask what you expect.
So do you
A) price yourself out of the role
B) under sell yourself to get an interview
C) put current wage
If your CV was top notch, with a proven record of finding top players, could you realistically go in saying you want £50/60/70k for that job? I’d guess you’d get laughed out of the room… but could potentially make a club £5/10/15m over a few years. | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:09 - Jun 11 with 1798 views | Churchman |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:16 - Jun 11 by Keno |
Ive played Championship Manager so I think I am well qualified!! |
Sorry mate. You are a bit too ‘Norwichy’. You wouldn’t even make it beyond application screening in my world. Trust me, it’s better this way.
Edit: only joking! [Post edited 11 Jun 18:10]
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:13 - Jun 11 with 1758 views | Zx1988 |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:08 - Jun 11 by textbackup |
I’ve had a look of late at a number of roles, so many don’t mention the salary… fill in an application and they ask what you expect.
So do you
A) price yourself out of the role
B) under sell yourself to get an interview
C) put current wage
If your CV was top notch, with a proven record of finding top players, could you realistically go in saying you want £50/60/70k for that job? I’d guess you’d get laughed out of the room… but could potentially make a club £5/10/15m over a few years. |
It's mad, isn't it?!
Almost limitless amounts of money available for players, but clubs will penny-pinch for support staff, even when the £10k-£20k p/a they're saving would only pay for an hour of a top player's time.
It's like I was saying in the discussion about Frank to Spurs, and the chance that they might baulk at his £10m release clause, whilst spunking £60m on dross like Ndombele. | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:36 - Jun 11 with 1654 views | MattinLondon |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:04 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
It's a two way street though. Even if it's being made abundantly clear what is expected of me, I would expect to get even a hint of what I can expect in return, before I potentially waste hours of my time filling in the application and going through the interview process, only to find out that they can't/won't beat or match my current T&Cs.
As Texters alludes to, the only reason a firm doesn't mention T&Cs in a job advert these days is either because they aren't actually that good, or want to get the post filled cheaply by hoping that the candidate will request a package far lower than the budget for the role. [Post edited 11 Jun 18:07]
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Texted has no idea how much the club will be paying.
If someone exceptionally good applies for the role then the club will have to match/better their salary.
Alternatively, if the club advertised that role with a high salary that might well put-off good candidates. | | | |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 20:13 - Jun 11 with 1415 views | textbackup |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:36 - Jun 11 by MattinLondon |
Texted has no idea how much the club will be paying.
If someone exceptionally good applies for the role then the club will have to match/better their salary.
Alternatively, if the club advertised that role with a high salary that might well put-off good candidates. |
I’m basing my guess on other professional roles the club have advertised in the last 2 years that have had a wage attached | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 21:42 - Jun 11 with 1222 views | jontysnut |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |
No requirement to have ready access to 'def info' |  | | |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 07:31 - Jun 12 with 893 views | BlueBadger |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:33 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
I think it's fairly normal these days - a lot of processes now use an online application.
It probably makes the initial digital sift easier to do, and eliminates the ability to game the system by doing things like hiding key words in white in a footer and suchlike. |
And also, a properly put together application form eliminates the need for a CV.
The forms on the NHS Jobs website are a genuine masterclass in how to put together an application form.
NHS HR departments, however.... |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 08:27 - Jun 12 with 786 views | BlueBadger |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:32 - Jun 11 by DJR |
If you click on the online application button, it comes up with various roles.
Cleaner-Training Ground and Laundry Assistant seem right up my street. [Post edited 11 Jun 17:35]
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To be fair, under Paul Cook, both those jobs would also be seen as coaching roles..... | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 08:39 - Jun 12 with 757 views | Zx1988 |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:36 - Jun 11 by MattinLondon |
Texted has no idea how much the club will be paying.
If someone exceptionally good applies for the role then the club will have to match/better their salary.
Alternatively, if the club advertised that role with a high salary that might well put-off good candidates. |
In which case I really hope that the club is headhunting alongside the job advert.
Whilst it might attract people who are unhappy in their current role, and are looking to move on, I can't see that advert doing much to encourage top candidates, who are very happy in their current role thank you very much, to expend time and effort in putting together an application. | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 09:48 - Jun 12 with 661 views | farkenhell |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 08:27 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
To be fair, under Paul Cook, both those jobs would also be seen as coaching roles..... |
But only if DJR happens to be a mate of his. | | | |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 09:52 - Jun 12 with 642 views | BiGDonnie |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:58 - Jun 11 by textbackup |
They’ll be paying about £25k, hence why there’s no mention of that |
Still a cushty little job even if it doesn't pay well. |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 09:57 - Jun 12 with 611 views | glasso |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 17:13 - Jun 11 by Zx1988 |
What an absolutely appalling candidate pack; all focus on what the candidate should bring to the role, and what is expected, and absolutely zero mention of what the candidate can expect in return.
If this was a role in my field, I wouldn't even be giving it a second look. Or is football that much up its own backside these days, that it doesn't even need to mention the pay/benefits in order to attract a stupidly large pool of applicants? |
So glad you said this, it's my pet hate. I reckon 90% of job adverts on LinkedIn these days are the same.
We want
We demand
We want
We demand
We need
We want
You'll get... (find out after your 7th interview) | | | |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 10:08 - Jun 12 with 583 views | artsbossbeard |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 18:08 - Jun 11 by textbackup |
I’ve had a look of late at a number of roles, so many don’t mention the salary… fill in an application and they ask what you expect.
So do you
A) price yourself out of the role
B) under sell yourself to get an interview
C) put current wage
If your CV was top notch, with a proven record of finding top players, could you realistically go in saying you want £50/60/70k for that job? I’d guess you’d get laughed out of the room… but could potentially make a club £5/10/15m over a few years. |
In my youth coaching days, I got the nod from someone high up at Suffolk FA to apply for a role at NCFC delivering some training sessions to schools/spreading the NCFC word/handing out freebies etc
Thought I'd take a look at the online application form for it, which was extensive before dismissing it completely when I scrolled down to the salary bit, which was minimum wage levels but sold as a "foot in the door"..
Thanks but no thanks. |  |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 10:13 - Jun 12 with 566 views | textbackup |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 10:08 - Jun 12 by artsbossbeard |
In my youth coaching days, I got the nod from someone high up at Suffolk FA to apply for a role at NCFC delivering some training sessions to schools/spreading the NCFC word/handing out freebies etc
Thought I'd take a look at the online application form for it, which was extensive before dismissing it completely when I scrolled down to the salary bit, which was minimum wage levels but sold as a "foot in the door"..
Thanks but no thanks. |
I think that’s the hope from some of these roles.
‘Well you’re at a Football club, so really just be grateful for that’
My wife sees a physio, and she was at Cambridge Utd for a while, said the only people football clubs care about are the players, the rest of the staff (whilst needed) are a bit in the way.
Also, seems a really unstable environment to me. You’re a season away from being mad redundant if the first team have been a car crash | |
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| There are a few on here who could apply on 12:25 - Jun 12 with 445 views | Zx1988 |
| There are a few on here who could apply on 09:57 - Jun 12 by glasso |
So glad you said this, it's my pet hate. I reckon 90% of job adverts on LinkedIn these days are the same.
We want
We demand
We want
We demand
We need
We want
You'll get... (find out after your 7th interview) |
I despise online recruiters, as it's always the same MO.
I work in a fairly high-demand sector (even in my mid-30s I'm well within the younger end of the profession) so get a fair few requests to talk on LinkedIn.
I had one a few months back where I asked for the salary, and the range turned out to be significantly less than my current package, so respectfully declined, telling them this.
Cue the recruiter coming back asking me for details on my current package, as the salary was 'negotiable depending on experience'.
Just give me an honest appraisal of the T&Cs up-front, rather than hoping you can get me on the cheap. B@stards. | |
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