| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. 07:54 - Jun 18 with 2334 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/18/uk-home-office-brazilian-family-
A Brazilian mother and father have been left distraught after being told by the Home Office that their young children have no right to stay in the UK and should return to Brazil alone.
Guilherme Serrano, 11, and Luca Serrano, eight, have spent most of their lives living in the UK with their mother, Ana Luiza Cabral Gouveia, a senior NHS nurse, and father Dr Hugo Barbosa, a senior lecturer in computer science at the University of Exeter. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:07 - Jun 18 with 2206 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's clearly a mistake. "Although Guilherme is only 11, it warns him that staying in the UK illegally could lead to... his driving licence taken away from him."
"The Home Office has been approached for comment" - and once they do I expect (and hope) they'll apologise and overturn it. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:09 - Jun 18 with 2195 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s what people want. A lot of people really hate foreigners being here. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:12 - Jun 18 with 2191 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:07 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's clearly a mistake. "Although Guilherme is only 11, it warns him that staying in the UK illegally could lead to... his driving licence taken away from him."
"The Home Office has been approached for comment" - and once they do I expect (and hope) they'll apologise and overturn it. |
Edit - it helps when we both read the article lol.
“I am satisfied that you could return to Brazil and continue your education in Brazil where you would have the option to attend an English-speaking school.”
The HO know they’re dealing with children. It’s not a mistake by the looks of it. [Post edited 18 Jun 8:18]
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:24 - Jun 18 with 2097 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:07 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's clearly a mistake. "Although Guilherme is only 11, it warns him that staying in the UK illegally could lead to... his driving licence taken away from him."
"The Home Office has been approached for comment" - and once they do I expect (and hope) they'll apologise and overturn it. |
It isn’t a mistake it is a jobsworths following rigid inflexible rules. The world is full of them. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:31 - Jun 18 with 1880 views | bsw72 |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:24 - Jun 18 by Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t a mistake it is a jobsworths following rigid inflexible rules. The world is full of them. |
Sadly there are people in positions of relative authority who like to prove a point, and have a political stance which may influence their decisions..
All it takes is for one of these in an immigration officer role to have this case assigned, maybe a few weeks after their own little Jonny failed to get a place at the school they wanted (noting that the 11 year old landed a place in a Grammar school).
I would expect this to get reviewed and over-turned, but I don't consider this an example of a wider issue. |  | | |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:42 - Jun 18 with 1826 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:12 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Edit - it helps when we both read the article lol.
“I am satisfied that you could return to Brazil and continue your education in Brazil where you would have the option to attend an English-speaking school.”
The HO know they’re dealing with children. It’s not a mistake by the looks of it. [Post edited 18 Jun 8:18]
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I did read the article, thanks. And I read that bit - which again highlights why I think it's a mistake. The inconsistency suggests it's partly a standard response/has been rushed... by an overzealous jobsworth who hasn't thought it through.
I expect it to be overturned once the Home Office are made aware. | |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:43 - Jun 18 with 1819 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:24 - Jun 18 by Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t a mistake it is a jobsworths following rigid inflexible rules. The world is full of them. |
A jobsworth who has made a mistake! | |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:56 - Jun 18 with 1758 views | BiGDonnie |
Nice. Let's let terrorists and rapists in whilst sending Doctors children home. FFS |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:57 - Jun 18 with 1771 views | Bent_double |
It's clearly a daft decision, and hopefully one that will be overturned, but it does make you wonder why the couple didn't think it through properly when they decided to divorce.
Maybe they were given bad advice, or didn't fully understand the immigration process, but they clearly should have waited until the mother had indefinite leave to remain before starting their divorce.
Anyway, let's hope common sense prevails. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:57 - Jun 18 with 1768 views | J2BLUE |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 08:09 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s what people want. A lot of people really hate foreigners being here. |
The lack of empathy in the world is shocking.
( hope it's sorted quickly for them so they don't spend their summer holidays worrying. I think Dollers is likely correct and it's a mistake but either way it needs correcting quickly. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:58 - Jun 18 with 1761 views | baxterbasics |
This is the problem with our ridiculous, dysfunctional immigration system - goes after the wrong (easier!) targets, makes it more and more difficult for people here that actually want to work and contribute, whilst failing to deal with those who actually should be shown the door.
A case close to home as an example - my dad has no mobility and needs 24/7 live in carers. He has the means to pay for this service (unlike many). Finally found ones that worked for him via an agency, all from various African countries. Then one of his carers gets a letter advising the agency no longer had a licence to use immigrant workers and they would need to leave. Thankfully whatever bureaucratic process that was needed got sorted out. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:23 - Jun 18 with 1601 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:42 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I did read the article, thanks. And I read that bit - which again highlights why I think it's a mistake. The inconsistency suggests it's partly a standard response/has been rushed... by an overzealous jobsworth who hasn't thought it through.
I expect it to be overturned once the Home Office are made aware. |
That wasn’t a dig, I thought that point about them referring to him attending school in Brazil makes it clear that it’s not a mistake. The parents seemingly don’t meet the strict criteria that allows them to be jointly responsible for the kids in this country.
It’s nuts and this isn’t the only case by far. Before I left work, we lost colleagues very similar to this chap here because of our draconian immigration policies. We live in a hostile environment every bit as bad as when Theresa May was in the Home Office.
For their sakes though I hope you are right and the decision will be overturned. | |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:45 - Jun 18 with 1533 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:23 - Jun 18 by Swansea_Blue |
That wasn’t a dig, I thought that point about them referring to him attending school in Brazil makes it clear that it’s not a mistake. The parents seemingly don’t meet the strict criteria that allows them to be jointly responsible for the kids in this country.
It’s nuts and this isn’t the only case by far. Before I left work, we lost colleagues very similar to this chap here because of our draconian immigration policies. We live in a hostile environment every bit as bad as when Theresa May was in the Home Office.
For their sakes though I hope you are right and the decision will be overturned. |
And I thought the bit saying an 11 year old might lose his driving licence shows it is a mistake.
The school bit shows that bit was deliberate... but I think when you look at the letter/case overall it reads like a combination of overzealousness, laziness/rushed/lack of logic and mistakes.
The Guardian haven't even waited for a response from the Home Office, such was their eagerness for a juicy story. I imagine once they're aware the bureauocrat dealing with the case will get a bowlocking, the Home Office will issue an apology/call it a mistake, and it'll be overturned.
Yes it is awful and hopefully it'll get overturned quickly. [Post edited 18 Jun 10:47]
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:58 - Jun 18 with 1476 views | Benters |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:56 - Jun 18 by BiGDonnie |
Nice. Let's let terrorists and rapists in whilst sending Doctors children home. FFS |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 11:52 - Jun 18 with 1331 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Last summer, after 4 years of being unable to recruit from within the UK, I recruited a scientist from South Africa to a postion as deputy head of Nuclear Medicine at a UK hospital. He's a wondeful chap, everyone loves him to bits. He has a wife and 2 kids whom he is hoping to bring over this year to join him. It isn't easy, in fact it was really difficult to get him in to the UK, and get accommodation and visa sorted, and it will be even more difficult to get his family over. But we need these professionals as there just aren't suitably qualified applicants from within the UK.
There's a whole bunch of things that have been neglected for decades that led to this situation. I feel bad that we have taken a good scientist away from his home country where he will be badly missed. But the UK has not invested in making science careers attractive, and it seems our own children have shied away from STEM subjects in favour of soft easy subjetcs. Until there is more promotion of and support for science in general, the UK will be dependent on bringing in skilled overseas workers. Maybe we should be providing bursaries to UK students studying STEM. [Post edited 18 Jun 11:55]
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 13:29 - Jun 18 with 1121 views | MattinLondon |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 11:52 - Jun 18 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Last summer, after 4 years of being unable to recruit from within the UK, I recruited a scientist from South Africa to a postion as deputy head of Nuclear Medicine at a UK hospital. He's a wondeful chap, everyone loves him to bits. He has a wife and 2 kids whom he is hoping to bring over this year to join him. It isn't easy, in fact it was really difficult to get him in to the UK, and get accommodation and visa sorted, and it will be even more difficult to get his family over. But we need these professionals as there just aren't suitably qualified applicants from within the UK.
There's a whole bunch of things that have been neglected for decades that led to this situation. I feel bad that we have taken a good scientist away from his home country where he will be badly missed. But the UK has not invested in making science careers attractive, and it seems our own children have shied away from STEM subjects in favour of soft easy subjetcs. Until there is more promotion of and support for science in general, the UK will be dependent on bringing in skilled overseas workers. Maybe we should be providing bursaries to UK students studying STEM. [Post edited 18 Jun 11:55]
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My kids are at primary school where there is a huge emphasis on STEM subjects with its importance stated to those children regularly.
Not sure if this is being replicated nationally - think it is. |  | | |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 13:43 - Jun 18 with 1076 views | textbackup |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 09:57 - Jun 18 by J2BLUE |
The lack of empathy in the world is shocking.
( hope it's sorted quickly for them so they don't spend their summer holidays worrying. I think Dollers is likely correct and it's a mistake but either way it needs correcting quickly. |
Some of the things I’ve heard within the work place has even made me cringe.
Jobs that were offered onshore being shipped to offshore, with zero fcks being given to the people involved. |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 16:39 - Jun 18 with 780 views | BlueBadger |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:58 - Jun 18 by Benters |
This |
This is what you voted for in 2010, 2015, 2016 and 2019 chuckles.
Our current situation of no legal obligation for France to prevent people moving illegally, no legal routes of travel and 14 years of reduced funding for border services and immigration processing makes it a lot more difficult to filter out iffy sorts.
I believe the phrase is 'be careful what you wish for', here. [Post edited 19 Jun 9:45]
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 06:28 - Jun 19 with 510 views | Benters |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 16:39 - Jun 18 by BlueBadger |
This is what you voted for in 2010, 2015, 2016 and 2019 chuckles.
Our current situation of no legal obligation for France to prevent people moving illegally, no legal routes of travel and 14 years of reduced funding for border services and immigration processing makes it a lot more difficult to filter out iffy sorts.
I believe the phrase is 'be careful what you wish for', here. [Post edited 19 Jun 9:45]
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 06:41 - Jun 19 with 483 views | WeWereZombies |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 06:28 - Jun 19 by Benters |
Balls. |
Are you replying to Badger or talking to yourself ? |  |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 07:30 - Jun 19 with 411 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 13:29 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon |
My kids are at primary school where there is a huge emphasis on STEM subjects with its importance stated to those children regularly.
Not sure if this is being replicated nationally - think it is. |
I'm glad you have a primary school that is putting emphasis on STEM. But we need a culture change driven by the government running ads on TV and scoial media to educate and entice youngsters into getting educated and trained for jobs that many deem to be "too hard". I remember a few years back there was a campaign to get more teachers, we need to do a similar thing for science. I really thinks we've had 2 or 3 decades of soft youngsters who seem reluctant to put their mobile phones down and engage in hard effort to get good grades in STEM.
Over the past 5 years I've placed a huge emphasis on outreach to schools and colleges, set up a couple on internships, running work experience, junior care days, and the odd open day. The main difficulty is that each school sets its own timetable, and if we announce an open day on a partcular day, the schools are uncoordinated and the vast majority won't be able to attend. It is really hard to take people out of their clinical scientific jobs and to access clinical areas to organise groups of schoolkids, so we can't do it every month. We've done this for one nearby private girls school where there is a class of 20 girls doing A level Physics. But then the diversity officer gets uppity telling us that we have to do the same for all schools, or stop doing it. But most schools only have a small handful of students doing A level Physics, so we have selected teh one with the highest hit rate. It needs better central coordination and a national campaign. Until we do that, we will have shortages of home grown candidates, and need to rely on immigration. | |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 11:15 - Jun 19 with 284 views | Benters |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 06:41 - Jun 19 by WeWereZombies |
Are you replying to Badger or talking to yourself ? |
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| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 14:29 - Jun 19 with 118 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 10:45 - Jun 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And I thought the bit saying an 11 year old might lose his driving licence shows it is a mistake.
The school bit shows that bit was deliberate... but I think when you look at the letter/case overall it reads like a combination of overzealousness, laziness/rushed/lack of logic and mistakes.
The Guardian haven't even waited for a response from the Home Office, such was their eagerness for a juicy story. I imagine once they're aware the bureauocrat dealing with the case will get a bowlocking, the Home Office will issue an apology/call it a mistake, and it'll be overturned.
Yes it is awful and hopefully it'll get overturned quickly. [Post edited 18 Jun 10:47]
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The Guardian knows that time is of the essence in immigration cases, and the way to move things on and force a rethink is to publish. |  | | |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 14:38 - Jun 19 with 88 views | Vaughan8 |
So we've had another post about gang leaders not being able to be deported because they've ripped their passports up, but some people who are contributing to our country have to send their kids back to Brazil?
What a strange world we live in. | | | |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 14:58 - Jun 19 with 42 views | surreyblue |
| Doesn't it make you proud? Rule Britannia. on 07:30 - Jun 19 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I'm glad you have a primary school that is putting emphasis on STEM. But we need a culture change driven by the government running ads on TV and scoial media to educate and entice youngsters into getting educated and trained for jobs that many deem to be "too hard". I remember a few years back there was a campaign to get more teachers, we need to do a similar thing for science. I really thinks we've had 2 or 3 decades of soft youngsters who seem reluctant to put their mobile phones down and engage in hard effort to get good grades in STEM.
Over the past 5 years I've placed a huge emphasis on outreach to schools and colleges, set up a couple on internships, running work experience, junior care days, and the odd open day. The main difficulty is that each school sets its own timetable, and if we announce an open day on a partcular day, the schools are uncoordinated and the vast majority won't be able to attend. It is really hard to take people out of their clinical scientific jobs and to access clinical areas to organise groups of schoolkids, so we can't do it every month. We've done this for one nearby private girls school where there is a class of 20 girls doing A level Physics. But then the diversity officer gets uppity telling us that we have to do the same for all schools, or stop doing it. But most schools only have a small handful of students doing A level Physics, so we have selected teh one with the highest hit rate. It needs better central coordination and a national campaign. Until we do that, we will have shortages of home grown candidates, and need to rely on immigration. |
Part of the problem is also that there is the sense (and in many cases, the reality) that hard work doesn't gets people the same rewards today that it did 20/30/40 years ago. I suspect this is a challenge in some STEM areas, particularly those that are quasi- or fully public sector, where there may be a view that a career in these areas is going to be underpaid versus other avenues that the hard working people who you want to target may otherwise go into - such as finance or IT. | | | |
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