| I hope we give Muric another go 18:09 - Jul 7 with 6961 views | FrimleyBlue |
Part of me wonders if he will be off, but if not, I hope to see him given some pre season games when hes back and the start of the season.
We missed him massively in regards to corners and some of his saves weren't repeated by those that followed. I know he made some really bad calls. BUT there were many occasions with palmer where morsy, cajuste etc all took short suicide balls from him, but because the end result wasn't a goal, palmer kinda got away with a lot imo.
I think its great for town in that we have 3 fairly solid keepers but all have their weaknesses. Muric for me is the one who you'd hope could be that top goalkeeper he has the skills to be as he has that added physique and i don't have the stats to back this up so ill hold hands up if im wrong, but I felt we were actually better with muric than the other choices despite his clangers. |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 22:54 - Jul 7 with 1314 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 20:38 - Jul 7 by SitfcB |
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Surely that is just half the current goalkeeper group (missing Slicker, the young fella and the old fella we just signed…) |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 22:55 - Jul 7 with 1312 views | Rozz |
I was a huge critic last season but I do think a season in the Championship would do wonders for him and wouldn't be opposed to giving him another shot.
I think, however, the goose is probably cooked in terms of his relationship with the club and his teammates. A frustrated Morsy called him out repeatedly on the pitch for his lack of communication last season. Just speculation, but to me that's a last resort as a captain to try and get a reaction when everything else has failed. |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 23:45 - Jul 7 with 1230 views | BlueBadger |
This is the Frimmers I've missed. Do more of this sort of nonsense rather that weird thing you got into before Phil put you into a break. [Post edited 8 Jul 6:49]
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 01:19 - Jul 8 with 1142 views | baxterbasics |
If his head and attitude are right then why not.
He's still the best we've got. |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 04:35 - Jul 8 with 1101 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 22:55 - Jul 7 by Rozz |
I was a huge critic last season but I do think a season in the Championship would do wonders for him and wouldn't be opposed to giving him another shot.
I think, however, the goose is probably cooked in terms of his relationship with the club and his teammates. A frustrated Morsy called him out repeatedly on the pitch for his lack of communication last season. Just speculation, but to me that's a last resort as a captain to try and get a reaction when everything else has failed. |
Sell him to Norwich.
A brilliant keeper 90% of the time.
It's just that 10%. |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 07:01 - Jul 8 with 1006 views | cressi |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 22:49 - Jul 7 by ReusersTown |
Palmer had just as many. Without the big saves. [Post edited 7 Jul 22:51]
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Dear oh dear just get rid. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 08:55 - Jul 8 with 907 views | ITFCSG |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 22:47 - Jul 7 by ReusersTown |
The same at Burnley??? You mean Championship GK of the season? |
I meant his attitude and personality. Not skill.
You can be the best worker in the office but if you are a d1ck to your colleagues you'll soon be ostracised then forced out | | | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 09:41 - Jul 8 with 836 views | Swoody |
A lot of people on here had it in for him before he even played a game for us, banging on about how he let so many bad goals in at Burnley and how their fans were glad to see him go. I think he was on a hiding to nothing from day one!
I would love to see him back in goal this season and prove all the haters wrong much the same as Hladky did the season before. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 09:50 - Jul 8 with 811 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 09:41 - Jul 8 by Swoody |
A lot of people on here had it in for him before he even played a game for us, banging on about how he let so many bad goals in at Burnley and how their fans were glad to see him go. I think he was on a hiding to nothing from day one!
I would love to see him back in goal this season and prove all the haters wrong much the same as Hladky did the season before. |
If his captain, other team members and KM don’t trust him enough to take the #1 spot above Palmer and Walton, then why should we? |  |
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| We'll probably sell him at cut price to a Champ rival on 09:55 - Jul 8 with 806 views | Dyland |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 19:47 - Jul 7 by _clive_baker_ |
There’s a keeper in there, I stand by that. Absolute monster at commanding his 6 yard box as well.
He’s done here though, I can’t see a way back. |
And he'll have two monster games against us including doing a Cruyff Turn in his six yard box before banging a Pirloesque long ball and getting an assist.
It's the Ipswich way, arf. |  |
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| I think that's over-egging it a little on 10:01 - Jul 8 with 791 views | Dyland |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 19:53 - Jul 7 by SuffolkPunchFC |
And yet averaged out we still achieved better results / more points with him in the team.
I don’t see a way back for him, but that’s more to do with a section of idiot fans than how he might perform for us in the Championship. His loss may well be our biggest loss for next season. |
Agreed, the fan stick was (and always is) counter productive. And bizarre tbh. But his howlers were generally no one's fault but his own, and as much to do with poor (and slow) decision making as confidence. Clearly not helped by our midfield and defence being swarmed by better opposition. But sometimes you have to ignore the manual. The thing that bemused me most was how unvocal he was last season.
He's undeniably a very good keeper with bags of potential, but it's hard to see a way back for him at ITFC. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:06 - Jul 8 with 747 views | Libero |
the man’s repeated bizarre mistakes made such a serious dent in our survival hopes that it’s impossible to take him seriously as a contender for number one.
Alex Palmer was fantastic between the sticks- not just a professional and reliable pair of hands but a keeper that clearly installed faith in his back line and who repeatedly pulled off saves he had no right in making.
If I see Muric getting selected ahead of him I’ll be *very* concerned. |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:15 - Jul 8 with 698 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 21:17 - Jul 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
WTF? How have you got to that one? |
I might be wrong, but think he meant psychologically, loss of confidence. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:19 - Jul 8 with 686 views | Reuser_is_God |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:06 - Jul 8 by Libero |
the man’s repeated bizarre mistakes made such a serious dent in our survival hopes that it’s impossible to take him seriously as a contender for number one.
Alex Palmer was fantastic between the sticks- not just a professional and reliable pair of hands but a keeper that clearly installed faith in his back line and who repeatedly pulled off saves he had no right in making.
If I see Muric getting selected ahead of him I’ll be *very* concerned. |
Barring a couple of worldie games I don’t think Palmer was that good. |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:22 - Jul 8 with 684 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:19 - Jul 8 by Reuser_is_God |
Barring a couple of worldie games I don’t think Palmer was that good. |
The stats back that up as well. Palmer had a worse goals conceded vs xG than Muric and Walton. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:30 - Jul 8 with 656 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 09:50 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
If his captain, other team members and KM don’t trust him enough to take the #1 spot above Palmer and Walton, then why should we? |
How others in the group view him is pure speculation - it may be correct, but is based on supposition. And if any relationship 'rehabilitation' was needed, there has been 6 months to work on that.
Also, he's been injured and then rehabilitating from an operation since Palmer joined, so it can't be concluded he's third choice. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:33 - Jul 8 with 650 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:22 - Jul 8 by tractorboy1978 |
The stats back that up as well. Palmer had a worse goals conceded vs xG than Muric and Walton. |
It was his stats that got him recommended him to us in the first place.
But then there's stats & the evidence of KM's & other team members' eyes, as well as our own. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:38 - Jul 8 with 639 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:06 - Jul 8 by Libero |
the man’s repeated bizarre mistakes made such a serious dent in our survival hopes that it’s impossible to take him seriously as a contender for number one.
Alex Palmer was fantastic between the sticks- not just a professional and reliable pair of hands but a keeper that clearly installed faith in his back line and who repeatedly pulled off saves he had no right in making.
If I see Muric getting selected ahead of him I’ll be *very* concerned. |
Saying Palmer was 'fantastic' is to ignore the stats, and also the evidence. Yes, he wasn't punished for mistakes, which was good, but also means 'he got away with a lot'.
That's not to say I not happy to have Palmer in the squad - he's an excellent keeper to have on the books for the coming season. But to claim that Palmer was fantastic, and Muric was massively worse is a complete distortion of the facts.
Had Muric played all season, I'm confident that we would have still be relegated, but I'm also confident that we would have had a higher points haul and finished comfortably above Leicester. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:44 - Jul 8 with 620 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:38 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Saying Palmer was 'fantastic' is to ignore the stats, and also the evidence. Yes, he wasn't punished for mistakes, which was good, but also means 'he got away with a lot'.
That's not to say I not happy to have Palmer in the squad - he's an excellent keeper to have on the books for the coming season. But to claim that Palmer was fantastic, and Muric was massively worse is a complete distortion of the facts.
Had Muric played all season, I'm confident that we would have still be relegated, but I'm also confident that we would have had a higher points haul and finished comfortably above Leicester. |
I'm not confident about your confidence!
And do you know something about Muric's injury that we don't, because it seemed a bit of a mystery at the time? | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:50 - Jul 8 with 611 views | itfcsuth |
No need.
Alex Palmer has showed his quality since he came in to the group, thrown straight in to the PL halfway through a season with no prior PL experience, I know there were some rumblings on his performances towards the end, but I didn't really see it myself.
When he first came in he absolutely outstanding, and I still think he is.
Muric will be on good money, and no real upgrade at all on Palmer or Walton for me.
Need to move him on. |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:53 - Jul 8 with 602 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:33 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
It was his stats that got him recommended him to us in the first place.
But then there's stats & the evidence of KM's & other team members' eyes, as well as our own. |
There is one stat that cannot be ignored - points gained.
Under Muric we managed 0.66 pts per game
Under Palmer we managed 0.43 pts per game.
Does any other stat really matter? | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:57 - Jul 8 with 592 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:44 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
I'm not confident about your confidence!
And do you know something about Muric's injury that we don't, because it seemed a bit of a mystery at the time? |
Why a mystery? It's only a mystery if you believe in a conspiracy, and disbelieve what the club and Kieran said at the time. He suffered a 2nd should injury (the other shoulder) in training, that resulted in the need for surgery.
And take a look at the PPG stats I just posted - 0.43 vs 0.66. Muric's wasn't good,, but it was >50% more than Palmer. | | | |
| Stats shmats on 12:07 - Jul 8 with 561 views | Dyland |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:53 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
There is one stat that cannot be ignored - points gained.
Under Muric we managed 0.66 pts per game
Under Palmer we managed 0.43 pts per game.
Does any other stat really matter? |
Who was the oppo, how many injuries were there, what were the game turnaround times, etc.etc. etc.
I'm not disagreeing with the underlying point btw, but you get my... er, point... innit.
Muric has a very high ceiling. I felt sorry for him more than anything. But one can't ignore the total lack of communication with his team mates. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:13 - Jul 8 with 540 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 11:53 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
There is one stat that cannot be ignored - points gained.
Under Muric we managed 0.66 pts per game
Under Palmer we managed 0.43 pts per game.
Does any other stat really matter? |
Stats can prove anything you want them to if you remove all other factors such as other injuries in the team, opponents, what stage of the season, what stage of the game goals were conceded, how they were conceded (whether howlers or unsaveable worldies eg), how team confidence was at the time or was affected (eg the team leading through great efforts by striker/s & that then being negated by a howler -> deflation with all positivity & momentum sucked out).
Edit - sorry Dyland, only saw yours after posting mine. [Post edited 8 Jul 12:14]
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