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Compare and contrast 23:18 - Jul 20 with 699 viewsStokieBlue

Demonstration against immigrants where bottles and smoke flares were thrown at police - 1 arrest:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/20/police-warn-inflammatory-online-

Pro-Gaza demonstrations, no violence, signs supporting a recently banned group - 100+ arrests across the country:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/19/palestine-action-protests-uk-lon

The government have got themselves in a right mess with their recent decisions. Holding up signs seems to be treated as a worse offence than physically attacking the police.

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Compare and contrast on 23:48 - Jul 20 with 569 viewsSwansea_Blue

A complete pickle. They’ve managed to effectively criminalise peaceful protest whilst simultaneously undermining trust in the police and the law. Quite an incredible own goal, but I don’t think it was by accident. Cooper was a junior minister in the department when the original Terrorism Act 2000 was brought in. It looks like she had unfinished business. I couldn’t guess why. Maybe she lacks imagination and it’s an area she’s familiar and thus comfortable in. Maybe it’s maliciousness and an authoritarian streak. Maybe the MOD and defence companies targeted by PA have been lobbying hard and she’s been bought. Who knows, but it wasn’t an accident- she knew what she was doing.

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Compare and contrast on 01:09 - Jul 21 with 453 viewsBugs

Is this the Two-tier policing I keep hearing about?
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Compare and contrast on 06:32 - Jul 21 with 267 viewsnoggin

Absolute shambles. I wonder what they intend to charge the PA protestors with and what they'll do when tens of thousands, inevitably, take to the streets in solidarity.

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Compare and contrast on 09:09 - Jul 21 with 66 viewsDJR

On a related theme the following is from an opinion piece in today's Haaretz by a Holocaust survivor.

"When even survivors are called antisemitic

Israel and many Israelis are increasingly weaponizing the term “antisemitism.” What once denoted terrifying hatred has become a shield for deflecting legitimate criticism of government policy.

When someone, especially a non-Israeli, speaks out against our treatment of the Palestinians, not parroting Hamas propaganda but citing credible, welldocumented reports of the atrocities we’ve committed, we’re quick to slap on the antisemitism label.

This cheapening of the word makes it an instrument for avoiding accountability. Any critique, no matter how warranted, is brushed aside with the same tired refrain: antisemitism. It’s a convenient excuse, one that spares us the painful but necessary work of looking in the mirror.

Palestinians are being expelled from their homes in the West Bank. The Gaza Strip lies in ruins. Starving Palestinian children beg in the streets. Israeli soldiers are ordered to fire on civilians waiting in line for food. Knowing that this war can be stopped, how can anyone stay silent?

If I shout out, I’ll be called antisemitic. Even when the criticism is aimed at the war in Gaza, which former chiefs of the army, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad now call futile, the response is always the same. An antisemitic Holocaust survivor? How tragic and absurd.

The overuse of “antisemitism” has stripped the term of its power. Once, antisemitism drove Israel’s isolation; today, Israel’s actions are fuelling antisemitism. What was once seen as the embodiment of the Jewish people’s struggle to survive is now increasingly perceived as a global problem, and this perception is only set to deepen.

A large majority of students protesting against Israel around the world aren’t antisemitic. Many of them, in fact, are Jews. They’re not anti-Jewish, they’re anti-Israel. And they have good reason to be. If we dismiss these voices, we’ll blind ourselves to where we’re headed."
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Compare and contrast on 09:11 - Jul 21 with 57 viewsArnoldMoorhen

Could any legal types advise as to whether a sign saying "This sign should in no way be read as saying that I am a supporter of Palestinian Action" would be considered an act in support of Palestinian Action?

And is it allowable to make some of those words of different font sizes? Or is that Criminal behaviour?

Similarly, it would be great if some flags could be made which are not quite the same as Palestinian flags.

Or photos of Yasser Arafat could be held up. He was a member of the forerunner of Fatah, the group violently deposed as the Palestinian Authority in the Gaza Strip by Hamas.

Or how about a "Yasser Arafat as leader of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation Action Figure"?

Or maybe a photo shoot could be arranged of a Palestinian next to the sign on Acton railway station platform?

Dadaism and absurdism are the best responses to authoritarianism and early stage Fascism.
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Compare and contrast on 09:14 - Jul 21 with 49 viewsStokieBlue

Compare and contrast on 09:11 - Jul 21 by ArnoldMoorhen

Could any legal types advise as to whether a sign saying "This sign should in no way be read as saying that I am a supporter of Palestinian Action" would be considered an act in support of Palestinian Action?

And is it allowable to make some of those words of different font sizes? Or is that Criminal behaviour?

Similarly, it would be great if some flags could be made which are not quite the same as Palestinian flags.

Or photos of Yasser Arafat could be held up. He was a member of the forerunner of Fatah, the group violently deposed as the Palestinian Authority in the Gaza Strip by Hamas.

Or how about a "Yasser Arafat as leader of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation Action Figure"?

Or maybe a photo shoot could be arranged of a Palestinian next to the sign on Acton railway station platform?

Dadaism and absurdism are the best responses to authoritarianism and early stage Fascism.


The font size part isn't that dissimilar from the protestors who got arrested for signs saying "Palestine, Action now" or "Palestine, time for Action".

Just throw some bottles and smoke flares at the police whilst trying to attack either counter protestors or the people you are protesting about. That's acceptable apparently.

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Compare and contrast on 09:17 - Jul 21 with 37 viewsHerbivore

Two tier policing, innit. Same two tier policing that means if you're not white you're more likely to be stopped and searched, and more likely to get a custodial sentence (and a longer term) for the same offence as a white person. Think those Reform voters were right all along, just not in the way they think.

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Compare and contrast on 09:19 - Jul 21 with 19 viewsNthQldITFC

Compare and contrast on 09:09 - Jul 21 by DJR

On a related theme the following is from an opinion piece in today's Haaretz by a Holocaust survivor.

"When even survivors are called antisemitic

Israel and many Israelis are increasingly weaponizing the term “antisemitism.” What once denoted terrifying hatred has become a shield for deflecting legitimate criticism of government policy.

When someone, especially a non-Israeli, speaks out against our treatment of the Palestinians, not parroting Hamas propaganda but citing credible, welldocumented reports of the atrocities we’ve committed, we’re quick to slap on the antisemitism label.

This cheapening of the word makes it an instrument for avoiding accountability. Any critique, no matter how warranted, is brushed aside with the same tired refrain: antisemitism. It’s a convenient excuse, one that spares us the painful but necessary work of looking in the mirror.

Palestinians are being expelled from their homes in the West Bank. The Gaza Strip lies in ruins. Starving Palestinian children beg in the streets. Israeli soldiers are ordered to fire on civilians waiting in line for food. Knowing that this war can be stopped, how can anyone stay silent?

If I shout out, I’ll be called antisemitic. Even when the criticism is aimed at the war in Gaza, which former chiefs of the army, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad now call futile, the response is always the same. An antisemitic Holocaust survivor? How tragic and absurd.

The overuse of “antisemitism” has stripped the term of its power. Once, antisemitism drove Israel’s isolation; today, Israel’s actions are fuelling antisemitism. What was once seen as the embodiment of the Jewish people’s struggle to survive is now increasingly perceived as a global problem, and this perception is only set to deepen.

A large majority of students protesting against Israel around the world aren’t antisemitic. Many of them, in fact, are Jews. They’re not anti-Jewish, they’re anti-Israel. And they have good reason to be. If we dismiss these voices, we’ll blind ourselves to where we’re headed."


I'm not entirely sure that the word 'antisemitism' isn't going to go the same way as the word 'terrorism' - utterly devalued and rendered effectively meaningless by calculated misuse by supposedly responsible (once upon a time, maybe) governments who manipulatively use an emotive term to appeal to people who don't want to think about anything unless it's got a easily pigeonholed label.

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