| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead 00:05 - Jul 30 with 8556 views | SitfcB |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:55 - Jul 30 with 1446 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:36 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
What is the two-sided take? |
That he has often been unavailable through injury, that his form has been streaky at times, and in his limited minutes last season he was a mixture of good and anonymous, much like most of the rest of the squad. We have two younger options in Clarke and Philogene who both have greater pedigree and have performed to as good a standard, probably better, than Broadhead at this level previously. To let him go for £7.5m with one year left on his contract is not really a dear oh dear kind of move. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:58 - Jul 30 with 1411 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:52 - Jul 30 by Chris_ITFC |
I agree with much of that, but let’s not rewrite history:
“Broadhead has been third or fourth choice in his position for some time now”
23/24: 29 starts (8th highest outfielder), 13 goals (joint top)
24/25: Started the season injured, then after his first appearance at Forest, was an unused sub only 4 times in the rest of the season. Apart from a period injured, he started 7 of 21, with a further 10 appearances off the bench. That makes him at least 2nd choice in a position for much of the season.
I’d say he’s 3rd choice now - Philogene now fit, Szmodics has been playing R10 - and it’s a good deal to let him go etc etc etc, but I think that’s overstating it and downplaying his role to support a point. |
When everyone is fit, he's behind Clarke and Philogene for that left sided spot. Arguably he's behind Szmodics too, though Szmodics is perhaps now more of a traditional 10 option. He became second choice because of injuries to those ahead of him primarily rather than being favoured. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:58 - Jul 30 with 1406 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:37 - Jul 30 by portmanking |
The problem is, his dancing and dazzling is streaky at best and inconsistent at worst. He's a joy to watch when he's on song, but he's a total passenger when he's not. His off-the-ball stuff has got better over time, but it's still not a patch on Philogene or even Clarke, who has already improved hugely from a pressing perspective. |
He wouldn't survive 3 seasons as integral member of a KMc squad if his off-the-ball work wasn't good enough - this notion otherwise is pure fiction.
Of course he is inconsistent, wouldn't be with us if he weren't, and most players in that profile are, our squad is no different - but one thing is for sure, he has delivered far more than he hasn't.
Time for others to step up and fill a huge void he will leave. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:01 - Jul 30 with 1372 views | portmanking |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:58 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
He wouldn't survive 3 seasons as integral member of a KMc squad if his off-the-ball work wasn't good enough - this notion otherwise is pure fiction.
Of course he is inconsistent, wouldn't be with us if he weren't, and most players in that profile are, our squad is no different - but one thing is for sure, he has delivered far more than he hasn't.
Time for others to step up and fill a huge void he will leave. |
His off-the-ball work has always been a weak link in his game. It was just less of an issue in League 1/Champ. It's also less of an issue when he's scoring goals and creating.
No-one is denying the contribution he's made to the club from what I can see? It's possible to acknowledge his impact and talents while admitting it's a good time for both parties to part ways from a playing and financial perspective. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:15 - Jul 30 with 1243 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:01 - Jul 30 by portmanking |
His off-the-ball work has always been a weak link in his game. It was just less of an issue in League 1/Champ. It's also less of an issue when he's scoring goals and creating.
No-one is denying the contribution he's made to the club from what I can see? It's possible to acknowledge his impact and talents while admitting it's a good time for both parties to part ways from a playing and financial perspective. |
I don't agree with it.
But I can acknowledge that people will have that view, absolutely - I think the fee is a good fee for him to be fair with 1 year on his deal. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:18 - Jul 30 with 1214 views | BiGDonnie |
Gutted about this, but if it means Hutch stays, I'm all for it. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:29 - Jul 30 with 1165 views | LankHenners |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:01 - Jul 30 by portmanking |
His off-the-ball work has always been a weak link in his game. It was just less of an issue in League 1/Champ. It's also less of an issue when he's scoring goals and creating.
No-one is denying the contribution he's made to the club from what I can see? It's possible to acknowledge his impact and talents while admitting it's a good time for both parties to part ways from a playing and financial perspective. |
From someone who sits in the Cobbold and can see across the pitch to the dugout, from McKenna's reactions last season it's fairly clear that Broadhead's off the ball work wasn't to his liking, to put it mildly. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:34 - Jul 30 with 1110 views | Swailsey |
This one hurts. McKenna never seemed to trust him in games last year, which I never understood. This, along with Greaves over Burgess so much were McKenna’s blind spots in my opinion.
Super sorry to see him go - but it does look like a great fit for him. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:43 - Jul 30 with 1035 views | NthQldITFC |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:34 - Jul 30 by Swailsey |
This one hurts. McKenna never seemed to trust him in games last year, which I never understood. This, along with Greaves over Burgess so much were McKenna’s blind spots in my opinion.
Super sorry to see him go - but it does look like a great fit for him. |
The blind spots may not have been McKenna's though, work off the ball and pace would be the obvious answers. |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:48 - Jul 30 with 1000 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 10:55 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
That he has often been unavailable through injury, that his form has been streaky at times, and in his limited minutes last season he was a mixture of good and anonymous, much like most of the rest of the squad. We have two younger options in Clarke and Philogene who both have greater pedigree and have performed to as good a standard, probably better, than Broadhead at this level previously. To let him go for £7.5m with one year left on his contract is not really a dear oh dear kind of move. |
He has had a couple of injury issues, but nothing too substantial in the past couple of seasons - but injuries are part and parcel, Philogene also had significant injury problems last year.
In what way to Philogene & J.Clarke have greater pedigree than N.Broadhead? And in noway have either performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship, and they certainly have't performed at a better standard for us than Broadhead has. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:59 - Jul 30 with 926 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:48 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
He has had a couple of injury issues, but nothing too substantial in the past couple of seasons - but injuries are part and parcel, Philogene also had significant injury problems last year.
In what way to Philogene & J.Clarke have greater pedigree than N.Broadhead? And in noway have either performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship, and they certainly have't performed at a better standard for us than Broadhead has. |
Your last paragraph just shows how blinkered you are on this. Philogene got some Champion's League minutes last season for Villa, he's made many more appearances for them than Broadhead did for Everton before being shipped out. He's only ever played in the top 2 divisions despite his young age. Clarke similarly has played virtually all of his football (bar a brief loan spell) in the top 2 divisions and was highly rated enough for Spurs to buy him.
In no way have they performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship? That's your opinion but the stats suggest otherwise. Clarke got 15 goals and several assists in his last season at this level, Philogene got 12 goals and a few assists in the same season, but with fewer appearances than Broadhead. They were standout players at this level. The reason you've not seen them perform better for us than Broadhead is because you've seen Broadhead doing well for us in a promotion winning Championship team, you've only seen Clarke and Philogene playing in a Town side struggling in the Prem.
Again, think you're being very blinkered here. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 12:33 - Jul 30 with 813 views | itfcjoe |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:48 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
He has had a couple of injury issues, but nothing too substantial in the past couple of seasons - but injuries are part and parcel, Philogene also had significant injury problems last year.
In what way to Philogene & J.Clarke have greater pedigree than N.Broadhead? And in noway have either performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship, and they certainly have't performed at a better standard for us than Broadhead has. |
They performed to a standard in the Championship that earned them massive moves to Premier League clubs, if Broadhead had performed to a better standard than them why is he going to Wrexham rather than an Ipswich equivalent? |  |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:01 - Jul 30 with 664 views | stonojnr |
I dont mind him going, if he chooses to, but 7.5million seems cheap. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:08 - Jul 30 with 621 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:01 - Jul 30 by stonojnr |
I dont mind him going, if he chooses to, but 7.5million seems cheap. |
Really??? | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:12 - Jul 30 with 600 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 12:33 - Jul 30 by itfcjoe |
They performed to a standard in the Championship that earned them massive moves to Premier League clubs, if Broadhead had performed to a better standard than them why is he going to Wrexham rather than an Ipswich equivalent? |
Broadhead performed to a standard that actually got him promoted to the PL, not transferred to it.
There are many reasons he is going to Wrexham - georgraphical location, and salary/contract. Very few clubs around us would likely be able to afford the £7.5m fee, Wrexham, Brum, Saints maybe the only others.
We are in the exact same division as Wrexham this season by the way. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:20 - Jul 30 with 527 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 12:33 - Jul 30 by itfcjoe |
They performed to a standard in the Championship that earned them massive moves to Premier League clubs, if Broadhead had performed to a better standard than them why is he going to Wrexham rather than an Ipswich equivalent? |
Don't disagree with your point, Philogene and Clarke are clearly more desirable targets than Broadhead is, but age plays a big part in that. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:21 - Jul 30 with 510 views | itfcjoe |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:12 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Broadhead performed to a standard that actually got him promoted to the PL, not transferred to it.
There are many reasons he is going to Wrexham - georgraphical location, and salary/contract. Very few clubs around us would likely be able to afford the £7.5m fee, Wrexham, Brum, Saints maybe the only others.
We are in the exact same division as Wrexham this season by the way. |
I think I'll leave it there | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:32 - Jul 30 with 442 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 11:59 - Jul 30 by Herbivore |
Your last paragraph just shows how blinkered you are on this. Philogene got some Champion's League minutes last season for Villa, he's made many more appearances for them than Broadhead did for Everton before being shipped out. He's only ever played in the top 2 divisions despite his young age. Clarke similarly has played virtually all of his football (bar a brief loan spell) in the top 2 divisions and was highly rated enough for Spurs to buy him.
In no way have they performed to a better standard than Broadhead in the Championship? That's your opinion but the stats suggest otherwise. Clarke got 15 goals and several assists in his last season at this level, Philogene got 12 goals and a few assists in the same season, but with fewer appearances than Broadhead. They were standout players at this level. The reason you've not seen them perform better for us than Broadhead is because you've seen Broadhead doing well for us in a promotion winning Championship team, you've only seen Clarke and Philogene playing in a Town side struggling in the Prem.
Again, think you're being very blinkered here. |
Stats, people who don't understand football analyse football, using stats, and them stats are weak as piss as an argument they are so similar.
I've seen Broady, bought in L1, an integral member of a successful group go through L1 and then the Championship to the PL.
I've seen J.Clarke & J.Philogene come in for eye watering sums in comparison at PL level, to try and replace Broady, and ultimately be downgrades on him.
There is nothing impressive about a pair of £20m players, bought in the PL to compete in the PL, having to drop down a league to look good again. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:46 - Jul 30 with 359 views | positivity |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:32 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Stats, people who don't understand football analyse football, using stats, and them stats are weak as piss as an argument they are so similar.
I've seen Broady, bought in L1, an integral member of a successful group go through L1 and then the Championship to the PL.
I've seen J.Clarke & J.Philogene come in for eye watering sums in comparison at PL level, to try and replace Broady, and ultimately be downgrades on him.
There is nothing impressive about a pair of £20m players, bought in the PL to compete in the PL, having to drop down a league to look good again. |
people who understand football include kieran mckenna; i'd trust his judgement over an anonymous keyboard warrior every day of the week! | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:48 - Jul 30 with 344 views | Vaughan8 |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:20 - Jul 30 by _clive_baker_ |
Don't disagree with your point, Philogene and Clarke are clearly more desirable targets than Broadhead is, but age plays a big part in that. |
Of course age plays a part but he's hardly really old. Broadhead is 27 (looked it up) so if a PL wanted him, they could easily match Wrexham's fee which would be a small amount for them, and surely wouldn't want too massive wages.....! Ultimately they don't want him.
Some people on here have an elevated view on Broadhead. If he was as good as people think, a lot "bigger" clubs would be in for him. Don't get me wrong, I like him, but he's clearly not in our future plans and isn't quite good enough for the PL, which we are aiming to get back to this season. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:51 - Jul 30 with 303 views | itfcsuth |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:46 - Jul 30 by positivity |
people who understand football include kieran mckenna; i'd trust his judgement over an anonymous keyboard warrior every day of the week! |
It's an extreme quote, don't be a simpleton.
Of course there is a space for stats, but they are tell a small % of the story - that quote was actually by one of the greatest modern managers in the past 25 years, not this keyboard warrior. | | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:52 - Jul 30 with 301 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:20 - Jul 30 by _clive_baker_ |
Don't disagree with your point, Philogene and Clarke are clearly more desirable targets than Broadhead is, but age plays a big part in that. |
This is true, but it's also true that at a similar age, Broadhead was signing for us for £1.5m in League 1 while Clarke and Philogene were moving to the Prem for £15m plus. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:54 - Jul 30 with 282 views | Herbivore |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:32 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Stats, people who don't understand football analyse football, using stats, and them stats are weak as piss as an argument they are so similar.
I've seen Broady, bought in L1, an integral member of a successful group go through L1 and then the Championship to the PL.
I've seen J.Clarke & J.Philogene come in for eye watering sums in comparison at PL level, to try and replace Broady, and ultimately be downgrades on him.
There is nothing impressive about a pair of £20m players, bought in the PL to compete in the PL, having to drop down a league to look good again. |
Like Joe, I think I'll leave it there. | |
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| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:54 - Jul 30 with 272 views | RRB |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:51 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
It's an extreme quote, don't be a simpleton.
Of course there is a space for stats, but they are tell a small % of the story - that quote was actually by one of the greatest modern managers in the past 25 years, not this keyboard warrior. |
The audacity to call somebody else a "simpleton" when time and time again you choose to ignore people's arguments before bringing up the same responses on different threads. |  | | |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:55 - Jul 30 with 266 views | StokieBlue |
| Wrexham closing in on Broadhead on 13:32 - Jul 30 by itfcsuth |
Stats, people who don't understand football analyse football, using stats, and them stats are weak as piss as an argument they are so similar.
I've seen Broady, bought in L1, an integral member of a successful group go through L1 and then the Championship to the PL.
I've seen J.Clarke & J.Philogene come in for eye watering sums in comparison at PL level, to try and replace Broady, and ultimately be downgrades on him.
There is nothing impressive about a pair of £20m players, bought in the PL to compete in the PL, having to drop down a league to look good again. |
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