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Am I alone in thinking things are going to turn pretty toxic very quickly this season if we dont get off to a good start? Seems like all the goodwill deservedly earned over the last 3 season has been drained over the last 12 months and anything negative gets 10 times the attention anything positive (like beating a French top division side 3-0 away) receives.
Maybe its just the usual internet vibe but boy do we need a good start to knock it on the head
We've gained a lot of glory hunters in the last two seasons, it will only be natural they're going to get upset if we start slowly. On a positive, they will problem go back to putting their ManC, L'pool etc shirts back on if we do start slowly.
TBH I don't think it's the glory hunters. We had people on here having meltdowns at points during both promotion seasons.
TBH I don't think it's the glory hunters. We had people on here having meltdowns at points during both promotion seasons.
Yep. In both promotion seasons, we had posters saying we'd better focus on 6th place and keeping hold of that when we went on poor runs in December/January/February. It was mad. Couple of people were even calling for McKenna to be sacked in our League 1 promotion season. That said, the number of bed-wetters (I know we aren't meant to call them that, but that's what they are) has definitely increased significantly over the last year.
I completely agree and i'm already weary of it to be honest. I have deleted X because it was genuinely getting me down and taking away my excitement for the season looking for any sensible football content on there.
The problem is probably the massive expectation. We’d convinced ourselves we’d be invincible with all these top level Championship players, but they’re not looking like to level layers right now. We secured two successive promotions off the back of being a well-drilled unit punching above our weight. That’s gone too, both many of those players and the cohesiveness.
There are signs we could be in trouble. Hopefully we can turn that around pretty quickly otherwise yes it will soon get toxic.
What is your definition of ‘in trouble’ Swanners? Doing a Luton, not comfortably in the top two?
10 games is a decent (and fair) judgement on the start of the season. I'd say if we are anywhere near the bottom, and lost ot Norwich then yes things may get Toxic.
I think a lot of fans will give them a bit of leeway until the end of the window etc but we've got to perform a lot better at home.
The first 2 are arguably some of the toughest games, but after than we've got a "good run" of teams you'd expect us to beat.
Re your last sentence - II suspect that some of our current nervousness (which is what I think it is) is because we kept saying that last season. We’d get over a couple of tough games and see Fulham, Wolves, Palace, Brentford coming up and say - these will be a bit easier - but they never were! It was horrible having to realise that we really weren’t good enough!
I don’t think it will be like that this season though!
Nothing worse than a rump who’d think only their opinion is valid, and post the same point over and over, and over, and can’t allow any deviation from their narrow view.
They’re like little fascists in echo chambers, just confirming their bias .., and shouting ‘Daasn’ a lot.
The ‘this is progress’ self preservation narrative hasn’t aged well, that’s not to say we won’t have a great season.
It’s just it was always a complete load of self preservation nonsense.
Our key players have all left or leaving, we haven’t planned for key roles we’ve known need replacing for 2 years, during which time we spent £150 million.
It’s hardly all doom and gloom, a huge amount to also be positive about….., but you might want to leave some room for critical thinking, and objective evaluation.
Because our own owners, have validated those issues raised, and we are up for sale, and selling £100 million of player inventory.
So as of tens is the case…., you didn’t have any balance or objectivity, just your need to control a narrative and be tribal and play the man not the issue.
Maybe start with an apology to all those people you attacked when they said all our best players would leave.
Will be fantastic to get Cajuste back if it happens, he’s a level above this league.
But that’s our best 5 or 6 players.
And we have 1 player who’s never kicked a competitive ball for us, for two key CDM roles…, after years of recruitment and hundreds of millions invested.
We could get 100 points, and get promoted doing hand stands, and that’s still AWFUL strategic planning, contingency, talent ID and not how to run a professional football club…, at any level.
It’s so poor.
But you don’t get it do you, you’d rather be wrong and try to get a thumbs up on a football forum, than understand any issue.
That’s where you differ from some of those you try to control.
Maybe the RY care more about the club, the issue, than your need for validation.
Ashton has been really poor the last 18 months, and KM is looking increasingly like a very talented coach, who lacks some of the skills to be an elite manager.
Just my opinion.
But if true, we can’t be elite without addressing the elephants in the room…, and elite isn’t EFL football, where I think you’d rather be facing Forest Green, than the difficult and frank conversations required, to be elite.
Our club is better than where are at this current time.
When the owners sell, hopefully we’ll get football people, that call out KM’s weaknesses and get him the support he needs, so if he wants to be on the pitch all the time, he can, and we can still do talent ID, strategic and contingency planning, at levels WAY above this mess.
Because no midfield in a squad this size, worths hundreds of millions is a string blue as to the challenges.
I think what he means is (I’ve skip read what was wrote) we should have started the season with a settled squad,one that was bedded in together,but we haven’t and now it will take time to ‘jell’?
I don't see it as toxic , so much as a lot of people are watching a lot of dross being played and then reading how alot of supporters are making excuses for the manager and the tactics and expecting everything to work itself out. It is laughable not toxic , so no matter how many down votes I continue to get on the subject I will continue to say the king has got no clothes on
I completely agree and i'm already weary of it to be honest. I have deleted X because it was genuinely getting me down and taking away my excitement for the season looking for any sensible football content on there.
I deleted it because I didn't need a digital Goebbels in my pocket.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
I don't see it as toxic , so much as a lot of people are watching a lot of dross being played and then reading how alot of supporters are making excuses for the manager and the tactics and expecting everything to work itself out. It is laughable not toxic , so no matter how many down votes I continue to get on the subject I will continue to say the king has got no clothes on
And hopefully you'll piss off when we start winning games.
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